Russian special military operation in Ukraine #38

Saw UA claim a Su-24 shot down yesterday over Bakhmut.

So they hit it, but it made it back to base after all? Good stuff.

The Su-25's survivability is legendary, but it is a dedicated, subsonic CAS aircraft after all. Armored, septuple-redundant FCS, etc. Seen them make it back to base after half the plane has been destroyed.

The Su-24 is a supersonic tactical bomber and should stay well out of AAA and MANPADS range.

Anyway, perhaps that Prigozhin stunt flight in a Su-24 really ticked the Ukies off so they shipped in additional AA assets.

It's Shaman.

I know.

Prigozin must buy a new pussywagon.

Minor damage to the skin and one engine. Will be back in service in a few weeks.



Nice comment from a guy on Twitter:
For context, the Americans took 9 months to recapture Mosul from 1,600 ill-trained militants
and killed 10,000 civilians while doing so. So I don't think the incompetent Yanks are in any
position, to give an opinion on military strategies, tactics or success.

Some might be fammiliar as Hole for example posted the pictures of the Khornet strike.
And the trench storming i posted in an shorter,lower quality yesterday. But its worth to watch again in it's full length HD version below.

RF armor engaging Ukrainian positions


Co-operation between the Orlan-10 team and MSTA-S Artillery


full HD video of trench storming in the Seversky region by Ghost and LPR units
Watch the Soldier spotting the Ukrainian comming from his rathole and shouting to his buddy to get out the way at 3:44. He saved his life right there




RF Kornet ATGM hits Kiev Merc vehicle at Bakhmut


American media: "these where aid workers".
Me: ...uhm....no.......

If the Supreme Court in the US accepts this the american prisons will be empty soon. 

@ Hole, I know her! That is Samantha!


living conditions of RF troops at the front lines


"The deputy commander of the regiment with the call sign "Angara", accompanied by his fighting friend Samantha the shepherd, conducted an excursion.
The location of the unit has everything you need. The fighters themselves have equipped a kitchen, a sleeping room and even a sauna.
The deputy political officer arrived at the kitchen on time, the servicemen were just preparing a front-line delicacy - dumplings.
Our guys managed to adequately equip their life, and the awards received for performing combat tasks speak for themselves.
The guys perform combat tasks on the front line every day so that we can sleep peacefully at home."

Speaking of Sukhois, the dude that Nazi-larping Ukraine sent to Brussels was apparently begging for more tanks, guns, jets etc all over the place and he seemed to have a jolly time doing it. I bet it's all-inclusive, party all the time.

Get this scene though: You have for no legit reason other than disgusting greed decided to screw up your entire country because some rich fellows on the other side of the planet paid you good money to dust off some fringe Nazi-esque ideologies in the westernmost ~20% of the nation you were governing, which naturally has led to a lot of problems, completely forseeable. They wanted you to screw it up, because it serves *their* interests. You happily obliged, as the complete moron you are.

So you try your very best to make the backers on the other side of the planet happy by spending 8 years pissing off Russia. Finally, you've managed to piss her off to the point where she actually is considering an invasion, and you KNOW what that would entail for your country and your people. She is warning you, time after time, but you still press ahead. You have one job, you're an idiot, your job is to do what the people on the other side of the planet are calling for.

Then **** kicks off. A year later you have at the very least 200,000 dead or incapacitated for the foreseeable future, and no sign that the Russians are having any troubles. All your planes have been shot down, all your tanks have been blown up, plus several NATO-armies worth of gear that have been donated over these 365 days. All destroyed, hundreds of thousands killed.

And you, as a person responsible for this anti-Ukrainian idiot cluster-****, you are waving a f**king napkin with an embroidered fighter jet in Brussels, asking for more donations while putting on your best smile.

...And the jet you had embroidered on the napkin is a Russian Su-27/35 to boot, so not even that did you get right.

I do not support capital punishment, but I think general Ukrainians would be well within their rights to demand an unceremonious hanging of the Kievan leadership.

^ They have been saying this same thing a year.

Isnt there any countermeasure against anti tank mines? I see lots of armor is lost for this reason.

Using UR demining vehicles (Zmei Gorynych), sapper units and installing mine trawlers on tanks. I've seen a post, that for some reason, drivers didn't like using trawlers on tanks in Popasnaya. Probably has something to do with restricting mobility of the tank, but situation under Ugledar would be different due to the need to cross over mined steppe, opposed to a urban battle in Popasnaya.

@derwolf,

No...not unless you have an dedicated engineering vehicle clearing a very shallow path with an mine clearing tool....very slowly
Remember, what that mine clearing tool hit, that is "hopefully" safe. You have to stay with your tracks in the cleared path, preferably with your wheels/tracks what the vehicle in front you made.

It is still no guarantee, i have seen an IFV vehicle in front of me that was third behind the mine clearer to get entangled in the wires of an IED and pulled the complete package out of the ground into his tracks that caused the tank to halt and get evacuated. Battery pack was dead, but it shows that even dedicated engineering clearing in front is not fool-proof.

and mines come in all sorts of designs.
Some go off immediately, some have an magnetic trigger to detonate aft of the engine that passes over.
Some need to be activated twice, etc. etc.

Or you need like we had like we in Afghanistan the Afghan National Army driving at the front that did not believe in Mine Sweepers, Allah would decide when they died.
Mine sweeping was for Men that where afraid of Death.
And raced their Toyota's so fast in front of the column we had trouble catching up with them.
But shit, we made the best travel times with those guys...did not always went well for the ANA.

Mines are always a pain in the ass, We tried a lot in Afghanistan. High-tech, tanks with chains, dozers. all of it.
But it always came down to the gut feeling of an combat engineer walking out in front with an sweeper at a snail's pace.
Those where the best way. and incredibly time consuming.
Loss of the vehicle became normal for us, as long the crew gets out okay it was in our books an good outcome.

You can see why this is just an situation the RF has to deal with.
The best they can do is make an guess what would be the best positions of the Ukrainians to lay their mines and try to avoid those area's if the zone is not secured.

Keep in mind, US is flooding Ukraine with AP and AT mines. Makes me think that their counteroffensive will not be possible due to very same minefields as Ukrainians will box themselves. They also don’t have best record at tracking their minefields and end up exploding themselves

Isnt there any countermeasure against anti tank mines? I see lots of armor is lost for this reason wrote:

Troll post. Uses the word any. Yeah. I'm sure they don't have literally any countermesures at all. No different than you going on a Sunday drive

why not a radio controlled vehicle! to open the road to the minefields.

why not a radio controlled vehicle! to open the road to the minefields wrote:

This is the redest hot zone in the war. And you think they are gonna start dinking around with remote controls?

They rely on their intelligence. Any freaking thing could have happened. It could have been some mines layed there 8 months ago. Who knows.

Graham Phillips in Soledar. Where did the roads go ? Why is it pure mud through the middle of town ? Maybe it is just mud built up on the roads from the tanks. There must be some pavement under there if his car doesnt get stuck

The ground failed to freeze sufficiently. This is not surprising since we have had a warm winter and this is southern Ukraine. There
are palm trees in Sochi which is farther north on the coast. It's a light winter climate zone. There is almost no snow accumulation.

The pavement was probably 90% disintegrated before the war started. It could not hold up to the tanks and heavy trucks. Ukraine was
in a 3th world toilet state. The fruit of NATzO's "soft power" victory in 2014.

https://blogs.icrc.org/inspired/2020/06/16/drones-infrared-cameras-mines/


Also detects entrance to buried and camouflage bunkers . Could have data and control and power , tethered to Tank , to overcome jamming . Then Russia has and uses those snake explosive Rockets to clear ground . Fast advance . Iranians used Donkeys and livestock to cross minefield to both detect and clear . Sometimes they used soldiers , with a key of heaven around neck , to walk over and clear mines . Does Russia have spare livestock ?

Not that difficult to intercept either for a THAAD or PAC-3.

Both those systems are dedicated ABM systems for relatively short range ballistic missiles and would be rather unsuitable for shooting down cruise missiles.

PAC-2 would be more cost effective or that NASSMs or whatever it is called... the ground launched AMRAAM.

The point is that these missiles wont be launched in a vacuum... any SAM reaching up to get the cruise missile will be noted and targeted by something it wont shoot down and then the next cruise missiles will get through.

Iskander is hypersonic only in the terminal phase. Just like the Kinzhal and the Zircon.

Iskander is rocket powered and reaches altitude and speed fairly quickly and is powered all the way to target... the vast majority of its flight is lower energy cruising power solid propellent that burns much longer than the high energy stuff to get it into the air.... it spends most of its cruise and terminal flight at mach 7.

None of these missiles fly at hypersonic from launch to impact. Missiles that are unable to fly at hypersonic speed from start to finish can be intercepted quite easily.

Which is why the Orcs have failed to shoot such missiles down completely despite having S-300 and S-300V and BUK systems in their inventories since the first day of this conflict.

Just like Garry has said.
They are great trained people at the peak of physical training, assisted by very strong mental preparation&motivation.
A natural reservoir for special forces recruitment, and they have been thrown into the fire tens of times only for staging commercials.

Wont just be olympic athletes, but managers and trainers that used to be athletes will be involved to...

Greyzone reports that the RU MOD banned prigozhin from recruiting prisoners, withheld, artillery and EW support, as well as air support from wagner in bakhmut, because Prigozhin criticized shoigu for allowing his daughter to party in dubai and in western countries. The hasty assault on ugledar was done because the Ru MOD generals were jealous of prigozhin and hate that wagner is the one making the largest gains. Greyzone is affiliated with wagner, and reports the views of wagner soldiers, however caveat emptr said he makes sensationalist posts sometimes, so this sabotage on the Ru MOD's part could be exagerrated.

Well if the Ru MOD has been so petty towards Wagner then how will Greyzone revealing this pettyness effect their future relations with Wagner... or is this all just bullshit?

Sounds like the story for a bad soap opera...

How many prisoners in Russia could possibly meet the criteria of a desperate man able to follow rules and adopt morals who gives a shit about anything other than himself... I can't see that number being millions in any prison system anywhere in the world.

IMO the kids of russian generals or any civil servant shouldnt be allowed to travel party in any country thats officially listed as unfriendly by the russian government. They also shouldnt buy any goods designed in unfirendly countries that cost more than 2000$(handbags, expensive cars, luxury clothing, etc)

Even just the risk of kidnapping by that country should be enough to make that a nonstarter, and a general earning enough for their kids to have thousand US dollar handbags is on the take isn't he?

Actually the Iskander slows down in the terminal phase. The terminal phase is when it manuevers, and is hardest to hit

If Iskander didn't manouver you could probably increase the range to 800 or 900km, but it would be much easier to shoot down... which is the whole point of manouvering.

Very physically fit and mentally strong, but would get simply killed during an engagement with any group of experienced soldiers; and that will be the end of it.

All the HATO training in the world does very little when you are being shelled... training does not help...

They don't last longer than anyone else. But for sure they're good candidates for a special forces training program, PROVIDED they meet all the other criteria of such a demanding role too.

Taken straight from training into the field they would probably be no better than anyone else you take from a normal life, though their fitness levels and discipline would be better. With proper training you will get a better soldier, and things like Biathlon with skiing and shooting then the potential is there because they already have useful skills... but shooting and skiing can be taught to anyone.

In other words, there is nothing to be overwrought about. It is war, but Russian commanders are very careful with the lives of their men.

Opposite land = propaganda.... when western media claims Putin does not care about Russian soldiers lives it is ironic about who seems to be taking things slow and careful and who is resorting to human wave attacks...

These pussies should be marched through a minefield to clear the path for Wagner, that way they will at least be good for something
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Always lead by example... I am sure you three will show them how it is done and inspire them...

Then Russia has and uses those snake explosive Rockets to clear ground . Fast advance .

They are about 100m long... a bit slow moving forward 100m at a time.

There are a range of threats and a range of solutions and nothing is ever 100%...

Robots and rollers and ploughs and chains can all be used... the over pressure from TOS can deal with some types and EM systems can jam more sophisticated modern mines too... the most reliable way would be a combination of a ground penetrating radar and a dog (or rat) which are very successful in finding explosives.

Fast advance . Iranians used Donkeys and livestock to cross minefield to both detect and clear . Sometimes they used soldiers , with a key of heaven around neck , to walk over and clear mines . Does Russia have spare livestock ?

Specialist robot vehicles designed to withstand repeated explosions should be the preferred choice most of the time... sort of like a super rolling vehicle like they use for making roads but designed to take multiple explosions and continue to work...

@tretter50001
In the Kupyansk direction, our troops continued offensive operations
The fighting went on in the Gryanikovka area. Russian forces were reported to have entered Liman First, advanced in the area of Sinkovka, and began advancing on Masyutovka.

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Pushing south along the water and the front would be moving quickly.

What is Zelensky doing in a russian hideout?