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Russian special military operation in Ukraine #38
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Losses of the fleets of Ukraine and Russia during the NWO. Statistics and facts
During a special military operation, the Ukrainian Navy, for various reasons, lost almost all the most modern warships, as well as the flagship. The lion's share of losses in this case falls on the Sea of Azov.
Since there is no comprehensive information in open sources about the circumstances of the death of ships or the desertion of crews, we are forced to confine ourselves to compiling a dry list of combat and auxiliary ships and vessels lost by Ukraine that were part of the Ukrainian Naval Forces (VMSU) and the State Border Guard Service of Ukraine (SFSU).
FULL ARTICLE: https://topwar-ru.translate.goog/210461-poteri-flotov-ukrainy-i-rossii-v-hode-svo-statistika-i-fakty.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en
During a special military operation, the Ukrainian Navy, for various reasons, lost almost all the most modern warships, as well as the flagship. The lion's share of losses in this case falls on the Sea of Azov.
Since there is no comprehensive information in open sources about the circumstances of the death of ships or the desertion of crews, we are forced to confine ourselves to compiling a dry list of combat and auxiliary ships and vessels lost by Ukraine that were part of the Ukrainian Naval Forces (VMSU) and the State Border Guard Service of Ukraine (SFSU).
FULL ARTICLE: https://topwar-ru.translate.goog/210461-poteri-flotov-ukrainy-i-rossii-v-hode-svo-statistika-i-fakty.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #38
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The moment of interception of the American AGM-88 HARM anti-radar missile was caught on video.
https://t.me/milinfolive/97014
https://t.me/milinfolive/97014
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Yesterday
Balloon with corner reflector send to trigger AD systems
Wagner is still packing remains to send them back to the Kiev regime
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Amazon Fulfillment center wagner edition, headed by our very own bald overlord
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #38
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Ukro trenches in the Kremenaya area were taken, lot of dead bodies lying around.
Prigozhin with the guy that supposedly got "hammered".
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #38
Dr.Snufflebug Wed Feb 15, 2023 5:22 pm
Those decoy balloons that have been reported are almost certainly only there to get radars up and running that can then be localized by satellite or airborne SIGINT.
I guess if UA shoots them down, that's $50 worth of balloon, paper and foil vs $100,000+ of missile, also a good deal.
But I don't think that's their primary purpose, just an occasional bonus.
I guess if UA shoots them down, that's $50 worth of balloon, paper and foil vs $100,000+ of missile, also a good deal.
But I don't think that's their primary purpose, just an occasional bonus.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #38
Dr.Snufflebug Wed Feb 15, 2023 5:31 pm
I know it's pointless to speculate, but any thoughts about the big events in Moscow on Feb 21st-22nd?
Every time something like this is about to happen, the usual theories are:
1. Final unification of RU and BLR
2. War declaration on UA and subsequent massive attacks
3. Martial law, full mobilization (with or without the above)
4. VVP resigns and leaves Mishustin and Medvedev in charge
5. Some random statements about Ukraine, NATO and the idiocy of the west that we've all heard before, and then not much else (most likely)...
Every time something like this is about to happen, the usual theories are:
1. Final unification of RU and BLR
2. War declaration on UA and subsequent massive attacks
3. Martial law, full mobilization (with or without the above)
4. VVP resigns and leaves Mishustin and Medvedev in charge
5. Some random statements about Ukraine, NATO and the idiocy of the west that we've all heard before, and then not much else (most likely)...
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #38
Podlodka77 Wed Feb 15, 2023 5:40 pm
I still think the Air Force as a whole is a junk.
I mean that for aviation in general because it is too vulnerable.
Neither will the West dare to send F-35s over Ukroshitstan nor would I want the Russians to be so crazy to do it with the Su-57.
If everyone is already saying that over 75% of Ukrsohitstans died from artillery, what is the role of military aviation in today's way of warfare ?
Far more useful were the satellites and drones that provided coordinates to the Russian artillery.
This fucking war proved that what the West invested the least in (land army) was exactly what mattered the most.
And all that crap about the "power of aviation" showed its fallacies back in the Vietnam War, but I guess Hollywood (and Maverick and others like him) did a good job because even today most people are passionate about aviation. I was never part of that team.
Nope, this is my team !
I mean that for aviation in general because it is too vulnerable.
Neither will the West dare to send F-35s over Ukroshitstan nor would I want the Russians to be so crazy to do it with the Su-57.
If everyone is already saying that over 75% of Ukrsohitstans died from artillery, what is the role of military aviation in today's way of warfare ?
Far more useful were the satellites and drones that provided coordinates to the Russian artillery.
This fucking war proved that what the West invested the least in (land army) was exactly what mattered the most.
And all that crap about the "power of aviation" showed its fallacies back in the Vietnam War, but I guess Hollywood (and Maverick and others like him) did a good job because even today most people are passionate about aviation. I was never part of that team.
Nope, this is my team !
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And you being a landlubber and all but... the heart wants what the heart wants 
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #38
Podlodka77 Wed Feb 15, 2023 6:01 pm
Franco, I still think I'm not wrong.
Despite "only" 59 thousand American victims in the Vietnam War, the USA had almost 10,000 lost planes, helicopters, etc.
It was the Vietnam War that always kept me suspicious of aviation.
And all those strategic bombers or tactical aviation can be destroyed on airfields by saboteurs far more easily than before.
And as for air defense, which has its flaws, it is much more dangerous compared to aviation than during the Vietnam War.
And that story about "stealth" and other bullshit also smoked a big Serbian sausage in the case of the F-117 aircraft. And it is about a conflict of low intensity with a small number of deployed American aircraft. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that aviation is one big myth.
Despite "only" 59 thousand American victims in the Vietnam War, the USA had almost 10,000 lost planes, helicopters, etc.
It was the Vietnam War that always kept me suspicious of aviation.
And all those strategic bombers or tactical aviation can be destroyed on airfields by saboteurs far more easily than before.
And as for air defense, which has its flaws, it is much more dangerous compared to aviation than during the Vietnam War.
And that story about "stealth" and other bullshit also smoked a big Serbian sausage in the case of the F-117 aircraft. And it is about a conflict of low intensity with a small number of deployed American aircraft. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that aviation is one big myth.
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Strategic aviation has proven to be pretty effective. This is the first time since the Vietnam war that advanced aviation has come up against top of the line layered air defense. Even then it was extremely effective. So now only standoff weapons will prevail. Even Israel does not dare to get close to the Syrian AD with their state of the art F-35, so you know stealth has been defeated.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #38
Dr.Snufflebug Wed Feb 15, 2023 6:49 pm
Dr.Snufflebug wrote:1. Final unification of RU and BLR
Well, a closed meeting between Lukashenko and Putin is to be held on Friday:
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5825948
And apparently some not completely unimportant figures have hinted at it. State Duma deputy Kuznetsov says on his VK and Telegram channels that something is in the works and that an "25-year old travesty can soon be rectified".
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I would definitely agree that clean sheet that Su-57, F-22, F-35 and J-20 have is far more important to potential foreign sales than battlefield trial. Not to mention the shroud factor around them.
And introducing full air supremacy over Ukraine is neither feasible nor is it an issue of individual aircraft performance.
Having American escapades as a yard stick isn't realistic, they always attack the crippled who are surrounded by enemies and no-one to their aid.
And introducing full air supremacy over Ukraine is neither feasible nor is it an issue of individual aircraft performance.
Having American escapades as a yard stick isn't realistic, they always attack the crippled who are surrounded by enemies and no-one to their aid.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #38
Dr.Snufflebug Wed Feb 15, 2023 7:00 pm
Also, unlike Russia's defensive character, the U.S. has been focusing on offensive operations and power projection far abroad for many decades. Of course they've been better at it, with the minor caveat that it's been against enemies far less capable and with far less support.
It's one of the many reasons why I find the neverending allegations of Russia's insatiable thirst for conflict, imperialistic ambitions, aggressive character etc laughable. If Russia really was like that, it would have invested in military things differently and thus been better prepared for offensive ops should the need arise.
It's one of the many reasons why I find the neverending allegations of Russia's insatiable thirst for conflict, imperialistic ambitions, aggressive character etc laughable. If Russia really was like that, it would have invested in military things differently and thus been better prepared for offensive ops should the need arise.
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Despite "only" 59 thousand American victims in the Vietnam War
We both know that is utterly not true, and just a part of an overwhelming propaganda campaign - just to make things clear.
First, it is almost 60 - but it is just a cosmetic difference made to look it nicer.
Second, they are being assisted by 6+k allied troops, mostly South Koreans.
Third, there are about 200k lost SK soldiers in the same 8 years gap.
That all combined give us 270k death already.
Official.
Divide it by 8.
And apply to the potential difference between the NV and 404.
The US and its allies have been losing almost double the Russian numbers now, fighting much less capable opponents.
That reminds me the Murican provided propaganda about the heroic struggles on the Pacific, delivering a heavy agitprop load to the minds of all who is watching.
While they have been fighting an army with IRON made helmets and fukin Arisaka rifles till the very last day.
With no guns, no armor, and no supply.
With a bloody "heavy machine gun" fed with 10 pcs of ammo bars and making tuk-tuk-tuk.
A division of Wehrmacht would have wiped out the entire Guadalcanal landing on the beaches in an hour.
More Superheroes, moooore!
We both know that is utterly not true, and just a part of an overwhelming propaganda campaign - just to make things clear.
First, it is almost 60 - but it is just a cosmetic difference made to look it nicer.
Second, they are being assisted by 6+k allied troops, mostly South Koreans.
Third, there are about 200k lost SK soldiers in the same 8 years gap.
That all combined give us 270k death already.
Official.
Divide it by 8.
And apply to the potential difference between the NV and 404.
The US and its allies have been losing almost double the Russian numbers now, fighting much less capable opponents.
That reminds me the Murican provided propaganda about the heroic struggles on the Pacific, delivering a heavy agitprop load to the minds of all who is watching.
While they have been fighting an army with IRON made helmets and fukin Arisaka rifles till the very last day.
With no guns, no armor, and no supply.
With a bloody "heavy machine gun" fed with 10 pcs of ammo bars and making tuk-tuk-tuk.
A division of Wehrmacht would have wiped out the entire Guadalcanal landing on the beaches in an hour.
More Superheroes, moooore!
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Well, a closed meeting between Lukashenko and Putin is to be held on Friday: https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5825948 And apparently some not completely unimportant figures have hinted at it. State Duma deputy Kuznetsov says on his VK and Telegram channels that something is in the works and that an "25-year old travesty can soon be rectified". wrote:
Its the best chance for Lukshenko to retire and not end up dead. It really makes a lot of sense as Belarus is not really viable as in independant state. Are Belarussians really that different from Russians?
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We both know that is utterly not true, and just a part of an overwhelming propaganda campaign - just to make things clear. First, it is almost 60 - but it is just a cosmetic difference made to look it nicer. Second, they are being assisted by 6+k allied troops, mostly South Koreans. Third, there are about 200k lost SK soldiers in the same 8 years gap. That all combined give us 270k death already. Official. Divide it by 8. And apply to the potential difference between the NV and 404. The US and its allies have been losing almost double the Russian numbers now, fighting much less capable opponents. That reminds me the Murican provided propaganda about the heroic struggles on the Pacific, delivering a heavy agitprop load to the minds of all who is watching. While they have been fighting an army with IRON made helmets and fukin Arisaka rifles till the very last day. With no guns, no armor, and no supply. With a bloody "heavy machine gun" fed with 10 pcs of ammo bars and making tuk-tuk-tuk. A division of Wehrmacht would have wiped out the entire Guadalcanal landing on the beaches in an hour. More Superheroes, moooore! wrote:
Firstly jungle warfare is VERY difficult. Secondly. NVA infantry are OUTSTANDING soldiers. Vietnamese people are smart, hardworking and have balls. Vietnam defeated first the USA then fought China to a draw in a land war after defeating the Khmer Rouge. (ok that last one was easy) but wow, first the USA and then China? Don't *uck with Vietnam.
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Yes, yes, and yes.
Yet they were fighting with paws&teeths if needed against "the world's greatest superpowers".
The first serious Soviet involvement was when the war was well going, for years.
Few advisers and specialist training are irrelevant, Ukrs were getting that for the last 30 years.
Yet they were fighting with paws&teeths if needed against "the world's greatest superpowers".
The first serious Soviet involvement was when the war was well going, for years.
Few advisers and specialist training are irrelevant, Ukrs were getting that for the last 30 years.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #38
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #38
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New entry,
Watching that so no comment so far.
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