Russian special military operation in Ukraine #38
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At the price of one Su-35S or Su-57, which will be more expensive than the Su-35S, how many tanks and howitzers, multiple rocket launchers, mortars can be built and who will cause more damage on the front ? Smile
A very simple answer: if you stop the Su-35 and Su-57 production plant, it will not increase the production capacity for the construction of tanks and artillery. You will simply be left without the S-35 and Su-57.
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That doesn't even make any sense.
The missile, which clearly is a Kornet
Ukraine doesn't have anything that looks like a Kornet ? They couldn't use a Ukraine missile. It would be too obvious. I am 50/50 on this. But that's just me. It was a perfect propaganda piece for the US. They need a steady fill of propaganda. Look at the comments in the article. Every propagandized American think that Russia is fighting with zero rules of war. Anyone who seen that ins't going to oppose sending more weapons. One of their glorious volunteer medics was killed.
The whole crew obviously didnt know about it. Even the camera guys. They were sent on a mission with camera ppl. 3rd party CIA guy shoots the missile at them.
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Wagner combined arms, recon abilities, armor usage and coordination must be on a mich higher level than the ru MOD if they can take massively fortified urban areas with mines, but the army cant even take the shitty unfortified hamlet of novoselovskoe and the torskoe-makeevka region.
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Bbbut prigozhin was being tongue in cheek!!1!
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Situation north of Bakhmut city:
Russian forces PMC Wagner took full control over the town of Paraskoviivka following the withdrawal of #UkrainianArmy and took control over most of the hill which overlooks the town of Berkhivka.
Map: [ https://google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1V8NzjQkzMOhpuLhkktbiKgodOQ27X6IV&ll=48.652410536146455%2C37.98645993725917&z=14 ]
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These two vids are from 27 Dec.
Wagner soldiers addressing Gerasimov: "You faggot, fucking devil, we have no shells to fight with, our soldiers are dying, and we can't help them. Here in Bakhmut we fight with the whole Ukrainian army. Where are you? Help us. No other words for you except faggot."
Prigozhin later confirmed (link above and see the second footage) this wasn't a Ukrainian provocation.
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PD wrote:GarryB wrote:
They are killing the minimum civilians necessary...
Who gives a shit? Since when are those vermin more valuable than Russians?
This pussyfooting is compromising military objectives
Thank you for proving the forum once again that you 5 Star Trivago General would be one of the 5th column guys bringing everything to a downfall. With people like you I really have no questions why Yugoslavia and all it's members have such a disastrous downfall. I may use your own words, "If you can't protect it you shouldn't have it".
You are one of the nutcases that is absolutely not capable of thinking of the consequences. Trigger happy and blood thirsty.
On another subject talking to Germans it's like talking to Ukrainians, no critical thinking ability. They parrot 1:1 what the TV says. The germans also believe they have free media with no propaganda. The only difference that matters and I am glad it is like it is, they are mentally and morally weak. They will fold quick and have no spirit to fight. Over 30 years in this society from being pro Germany and hoping for Germans to wake up and become independent again from US, I slowly have realized like many others it is a lost cause. They will be thrown into the russian meat grinder once again. They are groomed for that purpose like rest of NATO. Despite having partial german roots, I have developed a resentment due to the stubborn idiotism they show on a daily basis. I feel no more sorry for them. There fate was decided by the US and so be it.
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I have no idea what you are writing about, because I didn't even mention "suspension of production of Su-35S and Su-57", but I wrote about the fact that the Russians will SURELY give 50% more money for equipping T-14 tanks and 2S35 howitzers than they will give for Su- 57, as well as that the land army kills far more than the aviation. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT ALL THE REPORTS FROM THE FRONT ARE SAYING EXACTLY THAT, DON'T THEY. And just for one more example, calculate the cost of 10 885M submarines, 10 955A submarines + diesel submarines and you will understand that the Russians do not pay more for fighter aviation than for submarines.
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werewolf wrote:On another subject talking to Germans it's like talking to Ukrainians, no critical thinking ability. They parrot 1:1 what the TV says. The germans also believe they have free media with no propaganda. The only difference that matters and I am glad it is like it is, they are mentally and morally weak. They will fold quick and have no spirit to fight. Over 30 years in this society from being pro Germany and hoping for Germans to weak up and become independent again from US I slowly have realized and many others it is a lost cause. They will be thrown into the russian meat grinder once again. They are groomed for that purpose like rest of NATO. Despite having partial german roots, I have developed a resentment due to the stubborn idiotism they show on a daily basis. I feel no more sorry for them. There fate was decided by the US and so be it.
You are now succumbing to a media lie yourself. Talk to East Germans. Talk to those who write in forums. Difference like day and night. Germany is US und GB occupied, is a Nazi country through West Germany. You will set yourself free, but it will hurt.
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I don't know which forums you are talking about as I haven't seen any.
I know that there are some people fully aware what is happening and where Germany is heading, but they are a minority from my experience. Majority still praises Merkel as some sort of magical leader that somehow managed to make Germany great, while substantial amount see it as it is, she single handedly reduced Germany's living standard and opened gates for criminality with her open border policies which was a CIA project. She is not german, not by blood nor by ideology.
Anyways, I completely have abandon any german-speaking influence on me besides work and couldn't be more happy. Everything I consume is either in russian, english or polish language. This isn't about bias from either side. My decision is based on the circumstances and tendency and future development of Germany. This country and society are a closed chapter for me. Time to move on.
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You are now succumbing to a media lie yourself. Talk to East Germans. Talk to those who write in forums. Difference like day and night. Germany is US und GB occupied, is a Nazi country through West Germany. You will set yourself free, but it will hurt.
This is why I said "what the ppl think don't matter".
I didn't mean it in a US imperial way but thats how some posters took it. I just meant it in a literal way. What the ppl think does not seem to actually matter. Yes. It is the right thing to do to consider what the ppl think and make policy based on that. It is just basic good governance and human decency. But it doesn't actually matter.
Which is to say, the US COULD do exactly what they did to Ukraine, to Belarus. So Russia cant afford to fiddle **** around with Belarus. They have to secure it by any means necessary. It isn't too late for Belarus and thats good. But Kazakistan ? Its going the way of Ukraine
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He should clearly understand this and understand how the west would try and take advantage of any situation. The Russian military would also naturally be ambivalent of some outsider group acting like upstarts and making the Russian military look bad. This is not true but I have heard this in the west. Russian people are very sharp and keep abreast of what is said globally, and right now they need to be convinced of the unified effort to protect their motherland from hostile forces.
This ammo shortage talk is rubbing me thr wrong way. Get a grip Progozin. You are a Russian patriot first and foremost. Behave like one.
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