If you don't understand this, then you know shit about Russian military strategy
Russian special military operation in Ukraine #38
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If you don't understand this, then you know shit about Russian military strategy
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The Russian Armed Forces in the Kupyansk direction completely liberated the village of Gryanikovka in the Kharkov region, said the official representative of the Ministry of Defense, Lieutenant General Igor Konashenkov.
As a result of the offensive actions of the units of the "Western" group of troops in the Kupyansk direction, the settlement of Gryanikovka, Kharkov region, was completely liberated. The losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine amounted to up to 80 servicemen, three armored combat vehicles, four vehicles, the Msta-B howitzer and the Gvozdika self-propelled howitzer, according to a message on the Telegram channel of the Ministry of Defence.
Also, on the Krasnolimansky direction, the Armed Forces of Ukraine were defeated in the areas of the settlements of Stelmahovka, Chervonopopovka and Chervonaya Dibrova of the LNR, more than 100 Ukrainian servicemen, two armored combat vehicles, two cars, self-propelled howitzers "Acacia" and "Gvozdika", as well as D-20 howitzers were destroyed and D-30.
The Ministry of Defence reported that the offensive of the units of the "Southern" group of forces continued in the Donetsk direction: up to 150 Ukrainian servicemen, a Grad MLRS combat vehicle and a Gvozdika self-propelled howitzer were destroyed, three warehouses of ammunition and rocket and artillery weapons of the Ukrainian Armed Forces were destroyed in Avdiivka and Krasnohorivka.
In the South-Donetsk and Zaporozhye directions in the areas of the settlements of Ugledar, Prechistovka of the DPR and Poltavka of the Zaporozhye region, the enemy’s losses amounted to more than 50 Ukrainian servicemen, and an ammunition depot was destroyed in the area of Ugledar.
Also, up to 20 Ukrainian servicemen were destroyed in the Kherson direction, as well as four Gvozdika self-propelled howitzers.
In total, aviation, missile troops and artillery of the groupings of troops (forces) of the Armed Forces inflicted defeat on 85 artillery units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine at firing positions, manpower and military equipment in 112 districts.
Air defense shot down three rockets of the HIMARS multiple launch rocket system and destroyed 11 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles in a day.
Earlier it was reported that Russian troops destroyed more than 470 Ukrainian soldiers per day.
https://vz.ru/news/2023/2/18/1199841.html
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Attacking the Western Pukraine is about warning the Banderastanis that THEIR homes can be hit too. A way of concentrating their scummy minds.
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The regime needs to be decapitated in Kiev somehow.
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clearly engaging in a fly trap operation where all the scum and coerced soldiers of the Kiev regime are going to get obliterated.
It is not rushing across Ukraine and stretching itself thin fighting in every apartment block in every city.
NATzO planners have a serious problem and that is that the amount of Ukr cannon fodder is finite and mostly expended. But they
are still deluded and talk about a big Ukr spring offensive to retake every square inch of the fake state called Ukraine. They are
dreaming in Technicolor and demonstrating their detachment from reality. None of the "successful" campaigns by the Kiev regime
army were real. This includes Kharkov and Kherson. They were essentially empty space filling. Artyomovsk and previous engagements
in Kerhson on the west bank were and are total failures. Dredging up cannon fodder and launching human wave attacks on Russian
positions has not worked but NATzO planners are still expecting this to result in success. Some people think that the Kiev regime
has not been launching human waves, but "Bakhmut" is a stream of waves going to get ground down. Nit picking over the definition
of a human wave is moronic since the end result is the same.
In terms of wound for the relationship between Russia and Ukraine. Russia has no investment in western Ukr haters. They are a
poison that has corrupted the Bolshevik construct called Ukraine. Russia needs to re-assimilate the ethnic Russians in the east
and south back. It will be dealing with the consequences for decades but that is the cost of fighting off the rabid NATzO west.
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Also. The US says it won't sent ATCMs. But that looks like another media ruse. They will just get the UK to send something.
They are setting everyone up including Russia to under estimate it. So that when something happens, they will get a bigger propaganda effect from it.
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Isos wrote:Talk as much as you want, Yugoslavia was a very developed country in the 1990. ...
They existed because USA paid 80 billion dollars (not adjusted for inflation) between 60s and 80s for it to exist
Once money ran out in the 80s whole thing went down the shitter
Slovenia aside every single place other than Zagreb and Belgrade were shitholes
In a lot of places newspapers were delivered with a week delay, TV coverage was spotty and even radio signal sucked outside flatlands and away from transmitters
Isos wrote:...They had and produced pretty much everything including fighter jets.
They didn't produce shit
They couldn't even make usable subcompact car, only jets they ever made were trainer jets assembled from imported (Western) components
Isos wrote:Their science, r&D and universities were very advanced.
They vetoed production of computers in favor of growing more corn
School curriculums were lagging behind by decades
Isos wrote:They were also recognized as diplomatic leader on the world that refused both US and Russian hegemony.
First monkey in a zoo of thrid world shitholes
It was a shopping, drinking and whoring destination for irrelevant tin pot dictators and their families, nothing more
Isos wrote:Now you have a bunch of puppets there, including Serbia.
That's what we get for wasting a century and wasting a victory in WW1
Everyone gets what they deserve
caveat emptor wrote:To all Serbians, Yugoslavia was created by megalomaniac Aleksandar Karađorđević, Serbian king. And it was even more disfunctional during Interbellum period...
Correct
Instead of creating ethnic Serbian state that retard gave away our future in the name of some multiethnic abomination
The inbred bitch doomed us all forever
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I would also attack the embassies in Kiev as US did the same in Serbia so it is fair game.
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The Wagner thing is a counterintelligence maskirovka, they're a private company, they order weapons and ammo. They are also not encircled and have venues of retreat. Russians are trying to provoke Ukrainian charge into a trap.
If you don't understand this, then you know shit about Russian military strategy russia
Any cunning plan that we would have figured out on this forum, the Ukrainians and NATO would have figured out as well you best believe.
While the Ukrainian leadership may be incredibly dumb for having sold themselves as a NATO forward operating base for a proxy war with Russia, and while they may be sending waves and waves of their own men at the Russians in the hope of the later running out of ammo - they're far from incompetent in terms of analysis and military intelligence.
So no, I don't believe that Prigozhin is literally goading the Ukrainians in for some immediate attack; he knows it won't work. His objectives, assuming they're co-ordinated with the Russian leadership not purely self-serving and PR-orientated, are likely more subtle.
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Backman wrote:If the fighting continues like this , every city Russia takes will be completely destroyed or heavily damaged. More thousands of men who aren't even nationalists will be killed.
Exactly, eliminate both Nazi fighting complement and their recruitment pool
But the pace is too slow
Russians need to commit sufficient amount of firepower to improve efficiency because this is just needlessly dragging the whole thing
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Everyone went silent about that master plan counterattack when russia retreated from kupyansk and volchansk.
Their reasoning was that theres no possible way that the army wouldve been incompetent enough to not reinforce the kharkov front after its commanders knew that there was a lot of ukrainian troops gathering.
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Theres a study that shows that in most cases ISR elements in the army and spies give correct information, but its the upper bureaucracy that dismisses it, loses it or doesnt take that info into account.
The simplest explanation is that the russian army logistics screwed up due to bureaucratic red tape and hurt egos among bureaucrats rather than because of some plan.
So no need to cope about master plans.
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(actually his puppet masters) always chooses the fight to the death option for various political optics reasons. So the fly trap is actually
maintained by the Kiev regime and all that Russia needs to do is to set it up. Unlike the expectations of the 5th and 6th columns, the Russian
leadership was actually on the ball and did not engage in idiotic land grabs that it could never defend. It set up up a manageable front line
and the Kiev regime lemmings just keep on coming. It will only stop once there is no Kiev regime which should be about the time they run
out lemmings.
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About Yugoslavia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upNbhu8hjeE
This time Papadragon is right and very right. SFRY was a Bolshevik-Communist creation designed to destroy the Serbs to the end. And that same Bolshevik and Ustasha who attacked Serbia with the Austro-Hungarian army in the First World War later became its president + marshal and is known to you as Tito. And that smelly Bolshevik Tito NEVER went to Jasenovac, one of the largest concentration camps in the Second World War, because the majority of Serbs died there, and many Serbs. That same "Independent State of Croatia", as it was called in WW2, is the only country in the history of human civilization that had camps for children, specialized camps for children in a place called Stara Gradiška. Towards the end of his reign, that Ustasha (and then Bolshevik) Tito gave autonomy to Vojvodina and Kosovo, the same Vojvodina that Serbia won with the victory in the First World War. However, if there was no Lenin, there would be no Tito, so the biggest Bolshevik fag of all time is absolutely Lenin. wrote:
In case you do not know it, the Germans had a special camp for ethnic Polish children in the city of Lodz.
Ustasas were not worse than the Germans, they were both horrible.
http://asaland.proboards.com/thread/460/land-zamosc-zamojszczyzna-1942-1944
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Hey I remember when hole, flamming, alamo, Belisarius, etc claimed during the retreat from balakleya that there was a master plan to counterattack the flanks and encircle the attacking UA army between balakleya and kupyansk
Oh really! Refresh my memory and show me when I specifically stated such a thing.
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Yeah Im not going to browse through 50 pages of discussion from september. If you didnt say such a thing I apologize for my mistake. What was your take then?Oh really! Refresh my memory and show me when I specifically stated such a thing.
I also remember someone mentioned russian generals having a decision making AI that calculated that its beneficial to retreat to izyum in order to destroy the ukrainian army.
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What was your take then?
I just brought here a text from The Saker, which I agree with 100%, here is a part of it:
"In other words, it would be absolutely INSANE for Russians to try to hold a static defensive line at all cost just to prevent the Ukronazis to claim yet another “immense victory”. So, keeping this in might, let’s revisit the Ukrainian “counter-offensives”, bullet style.
These supposed “counter-offensives” were announced weeks in advance (which the Russians noticed)
Then the Ukrainians began by sustained artillery strikes to weaken the Russian defenses (and, thereby, indicate again to the Russians where they planned to attack).
Then the Ukrainians concentrated large forces (which the Russians saw, of course) and then threw them all into a (relatively) mass assault on what they believed were the weakest spots in the Russian defenses.
This is what happened north of Kherson and this is what is happening just north of Balakleia now. And it will happen again on other parts of the immense frontline. And, each time, the Russians will resist if/when possible, but they will quickly concede terrain and fall back if pressed hard, not only to save Russian lives (why waste them for a few trenches or buildings??) and to “pull in” the Ukrainians into a network of mobile defenses.
So how does a mobile defense work?
Basically, it uses the Russian advantages (firepower, maneuverability, logistics, reach, C3ISR, morale and training) to save as many Russian lives as possible while killing as many Ukrainian soldiers are possible. Why? Because while terrain can always be re-conquered, dead soldiers cannot be resurrected."
https://www.russiadefence.net/t8833p100-russian-special-military-operation-in-ukraine-23
What's the problem Odin?
Can't I complain about someone criticizing me for saying something I never said?
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They would love nothing more than for every single Russian to get strangled with a razor ribbon but they don't want to risk their own precious asses to help make it happen
It's better if others die doing it instead of them
These are the same shitbags which were jumping on Maidan 8 years ago, now they will get to jump even higher courtesy of bomb blasts
Azov are more deserving of mercy than them
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I remember that the "flaming python", among others, was especially vocal about the retreat being some sort of a super brilliant plan of the Russian military, and him openly claiming that "the Russian officers are professionals who know what they are doing." He got plenty of support from others.
I read elsewhere, that the hunting of the "draft dodgers" is only carried-out in areas with a significant ethnic Russian and ethnic Rusin population (in case of the latter it is the Trans-Carpathian Rus).
They are not conducting any hunts for the draft dodgers in the western Ukraine and in Kiev and its surrounding environs. Looks like they intentionally want to use the ethnic non-Ukrainians as cannon fodder, at the same time, sparing the ethnic Ukrainians.
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