Russian special military operation in Ukraine #38

There was some questions here awhile back about why Russia is building such serious defenses along the lines everywhere including Crimea.

Brian Berletic had a good answer. Russia is preparing to fight Nato. Not now but maybe 2 years from now.These defenses aren't a defense against Ukraine. He also said that the fighting now is slow and steady as a military conservation strategy. Again, an anticipation of fighting Nato.

I no longer see why the chances of Nato invading should be considered particularly low. The US and its occupation govts in the EU are barking mad and seething with hubris.

Littlerabbit wrote " I was thinking a lot about last year's SMO/СВО in ex-Ukraine. At first it looks like they wanted to finish it quickly, with help of some elements inside Ukraine, but that plan failed and they were forced to adjust their actions to new reality. Personally, I believe they were too slow in their reaction (mobilisation etc.), but I don't have enough data to claim this. Now it's a different thing, but it still looks like Russian troops are waiting for something (NATO invasion or whatever, I don't know).Some of Russia's military activities reminds me on Russian strategy in Syria: slowly, but firmly, step by step.Russia, Iran and Syria needed practically 3 or 4 years to liberate most of the country, so Russia might need few more years for ex-Ukraine, if this tempo of operations continues.I'm not an expert of any sort (only observer), so I could be very wrong. I'm interested what you guys think about this, what are similarities (if any) and differences between Russian military activities in Syria and ex-Ukraine, especially in last few months? dunno . "

You do not need to be expert or military to comment here , just logical with something useful to say backed by evidence , that gets a reply ! And you are right , the plan initially was a large pincer , to cut Ukrs in half along River . A good plan that would create an Eastern Russian and Western Ukrs zones , to allow disengagement of and retreat of Ukrs forces . But this force was not enough to do the job , but no blame to planners at the time , given the relative smaller Nazi forces and friendly Russian population , it was easy to make this estimation . They acted within the information , they had at the time . But circumstances changed and the Nazis were able to gather forces , riding on nationalistic ferver and armed with NATO weapons , sent forces against Russia . But it also appears now many things about the SMO itself : First Russia may not be willing to take large casualties , second that Russia will not escalate in kind to NATO , third that Russia is not willing to win a short war against NAZI , but is willing to prolong a war of attrition , eventually negotiating with them !

What Russia is willing ( not a matter of capability so much , or what Russia can or can not do ) imposes itself on the developing situation . And this new situation must be taken into account by planners . It means greater flexibility in setting war aims , and willingness to make difficult choices . I know Russian troops are making progress and their efforts and sacrifice should be recognised , but winning territory and holding it are different things . It could turn out that Ukraine itself , will turn into a fighting frontier or buffer zone in the long term . Lacking in a population , with on going battles and fluid frontlines . In this situation then , having a dream of turning the Russian zone , into a model city and civilians returning , may be just a dream . The remaining populations , both Russian and Ukrainian , may have to leave also . The Russians back to Russia and Ukrs to Europe . Given new realities that is .

@Firebird

"Arrow award in tying your shoelaces up".
Actually maybe the female equivalent, the Brownies or whatever they are called now

Most will be participation medals for turning up.

Honestly what do you thing about the arrogant undiplomatic attitude that Zelensky and co. have been behave ? I failed to see the logic for such an arrogant and rude attitude in diplomacy. Is that a farce that Zelensky has to act under the direction and command of the USA puppetmasters ?

To be fair, US diplomats are not different and most European diplomats are the same as well...

Good old subtle western propaganda...

First of all there is no evidence at all that Iran, Belarus, Syria, or North Korea are providing any weapons at all to Russia.

Second it is more than just HATO supplying weapons and equipment to Ukraine even if it is of little value in the scheme of things.

What this chart ignores is that the west and only the west is on the side of the nazis and the rest of the world either understands Russias position or sympathises that they were not given much alternative choices.

So the US and her bitches vs Russia and the free world.

This Ghost guy used to be alright but he's been more of a armchair general lately. The armchair generals say everything was done wrong in the Ugledar rush and if only they were leading it , everything would have been prestine. But then when the real Russian general appears to have done a rush right , it was a "lucky one". wrote:

Being dumped into and open field by IFV and charging over open ground towards an entrenched position? How can that be a good plan? Yes it worked , god knows how.

https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1624882656298115072

Any updates on the Ugledar front, because this is getting embarrassing.

ALAMO wrote:

Those are not medals, but scale mail armour...  

The problem with oneupmanship is that that is where it always ends...

Any updates on the Ugledar front, because this is getting embarrassing.

Footage of two tanks running into mines is unfortunate, but if they had footage of hundreds doing that we would be seeing it.

Would love to hear expert advice of how else you move troops to a defended position to assault... I mean if you don't drive up with troops in BMPs and then dismount and attack the position... what method would you guys suggest?

Helicopter landing?

You assume the enemy positions were not prepared in advance... with artillery and air strikes... just a frontal assault... because obviously the widely given estimates of less than 20k casualties for a year of war and obviously frontal assaults on positions without artillery or air support would be the norm wouldn't it.

Or are you just repeating Orc propaganda to get a rise from people who actually have a brain in their heads and are not bloody children playing a wargame on a computer...

Greetings from Rogozin: They wanted my rockets to fall.

Read this if u want a laugh.
Ukraine-backing Brit who supplied 100 military vehicles to war-torn country faces ruin after Barclays axes his accounts

https://www.the-sun.com/news/7352948/ukraine-brit-vehicles-barclays-axes-accounts/

I think attacking now was justified but before now could not be justified.

I think the biggest mistake Putin made was accepting the US and western paid for coup that created this entire situation... giving the western puppets installed by the west in 2014 led to the current situation and Russia giving them legitimacy really didn't help things...

Russia should have supplied weapons to the rebels the way the west is funding and supporting Kiev right now and let the Ukrainians sort it out... they were kicking their arses back in the day... rather than Russia invading I think Russia should have openly supported and supplied the rebels and let them get the job done.

Nipping it all in the bud would have been more painful for Russia but I think Russia realising faster that the West is not just a bad neighbour but also an enemy wanting their defeat and destruction and that energy sales to Europe should have stopped some time ago too... the gradual application of sanctions makes the move to independence easier... Russia should know that by now.

How Much Russia Spends On Su-57 Fighters, Ka-52 Choppers & Other Systems Deployed To Ukraine? A Breakdown

Not sure how credible the article is apparently from a Russian source I know sometimes articles from this website can be dubious. Explains costs for Su-57, Ka-52, R-77-1, LMUR missiles. Be good to hear everyone take on this

https://eurasiantimes.com/how-much-russia-spends-on-su-57-fighters-ka-52-choppers/?amp

d_taddei2 wrote:How Much Russia Spends On Su-57 Fighters, Ka-52 Choppers & Other Systems Deployed To Ukraine? A Breakdown

Not sure how credible the article is apparently from a Russian source I know sometimes articles from this website can be dubious. Explains costs for Su-57, Ka-52, R-77-1, LMUR missiles. Be good to hear everyone take on this

https://eurasiantimes.com/how-much-russia-spends-on-su-57-fighters-ka-52-choppers

Eurasiantimes is russophobe shit these days. Look at this example...

So far, Russia has lost at least 31 of these helicopters [Ka-52s] in Ukraine, or a quarter of the fleet of 140-145 Ka-52s that it possessed before the invasion, as per the latest figures compiled by the military tracking blog Oryx based on visual confirmations.

The article also quotes that friggin' moron Butowski as its prime source.... Not interested in anything that loser says or claims.

There are people willing to stand to the Kiev regime goons who kidnap people left and right for cannon fodder. Respect. If there would be more like them all those goon detachments roaming the cities kidnapping people would get what they deserve. If there would me more like them the US puppet REGIME and it's nazi goons would get what they deserve, but alas there are far too many cowards in Ukraine. Grow a spine if you want this to end, you poor fools!

https://twitter.com/LogKa11/status/1624877889232535559?cxt=HHwWjoC88Zn13IwtAAAA

Moscow Zoo

d_taddei2 wrote: wrote:How Much Russia Spends On Su-57 Fighters, Ka-52 Choppers & Other Systems Deployed To Ukraine? A Breakdown

No figures from pro-NATO idiots will correspond to reality. Firstly, because most of their examples imply the purchase of limited or installation batches. You know, this is not magic - if you buy the same product in the amount of 50 or 50,000 units, then you will get a cost price that differs several times. There is also a significant difference between the price of production in peacetime and the price during the transition of the economy to military production.

According to Butowski, it is more appropriate to use a conversion rate adjusted for defense-specific purchasing power parity (DS PPP). According to a recent report by the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), using DS PPP, the Russian military hardware prices in US dollars are between 1.9 and 2.3 times higher than when calculated using MERs.

Oh, so they know about correction factors when they need it? I wonder if they use them when they say that "The Russian economy is smaller than the Italian one" or "The average salary in Russia is less than $ 500"?

Leopards are beautiful godly animals, and native to Russia (around 4 different breeds as I recall).
The shit the Nazi supporting Germans are sending to the Pukraine should be referred to as spotted AIDS cockroaches. Dung beetles would be too kind a phrase.

lets be honest here Germany was frog marched into sending tanks to Ukraine by Washington and London, Germany is still a occupied country by America since 1945, America will never leave Germany, most German people oppose war