Russian special military operation in Ukraine #39

Interesting comment from a MoA poster. Probably not far from the truth, regarding MLRS units especially.

In the mean time, here's a random thought. It's clear that the big advantage the Ukrainians have is the overwhelming overmatch in western-provided surveillance and intelligence etc. This has - for now - roughly cancelled the overwhelming advantage of Russia in raw firepower (again, for now). But what if there is another angle to this? What if it also means that barely trained Ukrainian troops now have the effectiveness of elite professionals?

In WWI you had generals distant from the front lines, it took a day or so for them get reports, and a day or so to give orders. That didn't work so well. So modern warfare puts a premium on local initiative, which requires very highly trained troops at all levels.

But: now the distant western officers probably have better situational awareness of the front lines than the local troops themselves! They look down at every detail, see every Russian unit, and with the cool calm of someone drinking coffee 1000 km away, give precise orders to all Ukrainian units. An individual Ukrainian unit need only be told something like "drive 10 km on this road, take a right hand turn, drive another 2 km, stop, enter these coordinates into your weapon system, fire, now drive over here..." Individual Ukrainians only need to follow simple instructions, but collectively they will fight and maneuver as efficiently as the best elite soldiers. Possible?

Not possible even in the slightest, it's just more NATO war propaganda. There is no evidence that the Ukrainians have cancelled any Russian advantage; they're just throwing bodies at the problem.

seigsolovyov wrote:This wasn't all combat troops, the actual percentage of frontline troops from this isn't really known, they did plug some gaps but that's all that's really been seen, I have not seen masses of new forces in Ukraine no one has

You are correct, and as said, the ones manning the line are in ad hoc units doing defense

The ones meant for offensive actions are being organized into units, trained, and waiting for staff to finalize the bureaucratic procedures inherent to raising divisions with appropriate armament and equipment

franco wrote:In regards to these mobilized soldiers, they are all ex-professional military (contract, officers, sergeants or warrant officers) subject to recall, who had left to return to civilian life. They are not just anyone off the street.

Correct,  these are not conscripts in the legal sense, prohibited from use in non war , these are mobilized military experienced men, that are sitting on the defensive line, or in Russia proper waiting to be organized into proper divisions

A lot of people don't understand the work, which is bureaucratic but extremely important when raising new unit formations -

It is boring, but actually the most important element when we talk about units cohesion

You can't just throw these guys into any unit, the existing units already have their own logistical needs and chains of command

You can't just stick 300k men into these brigades and divisions which already exist, you have to create the entities/structures, Create new chains of command, create adequate organizational process,  and that alone includes a lot of paperwork

You also have the issue of equipping these new units- you can't just take equipment away from other units and give to them, they need their own equipment, parts, maintenance, and all procedural processes which go into that

It is a monumental task, and we talk about 300k men? That's unlike any corporate structure in the world, it's uniquely inherent to military demand , and it requires time, painstaking work, and attention to detail by the senior officers and their cohort responsible for raising these units,

the US took more than 2 years to raise an army jn saudi arabia, to enter Kuwait and Iraq, Russia will try to do this in a quarter of the time, granted its on the border, but still we are talking about a gargantuan force, with 700 aircraft being accumulated for a major offensive

Bloody mess:

Interior of an M113 after being hit by a shovel.


Ka-52 above Donetsk.

@ Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde
the US took more than 2 years to raise an army jn saudi arabia, to enter Kuwait and Iraq, Russia will try to do this in a quarter of the time, granted its on the border, but still we are talking about a gargantuan force, with 700 aircraft being accumulated for a major offensive

You truly are a madman riding between episodes of manic depression and exuberance. It took them roughly 5 months to prepare for attack.

Werewolf wrote " Have been quite occupied. Why all that talk about shovels? " I think it was about Russians being short of Ammo and having to fight with shovels . But what the western propagandists miss , is that there is nothing more scary than to face an enemy coming at you with a shovel . If indeed that is what the Russians are doing .

Now we hear Jellinsky talk about Russians shooting POW . Just as they send troops into Bakhmut cauldron to get trapped , and forced with fear of capture and executions to fight to the death ! Therefore Russia must show the good treatment of captured POW . Provide video with names and allow contact with family . Geneva convention .

Report of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of the special military operation (03/07/2023)

In the Kupyansky direction, army aviation strikes and artillery fire from the "Western" group of troops hit the enemy's manpower and equipment in the areas of the settlements of Gryanikovka, Peschanoe, Krakhmalnoye of the Kharkov region, Stelmahovka and Rozovka of the Luhansk People's Republic. One tank, a Polish-made Krab self-propelled artillery mount , an Akatsiya self-propelled howitzer , and over 30 Ukrainian servicemen were destroyed.

In the Krasno-Limansky direction, as a result of artillery fire from the group of troops "Center" and air strikes, enemy units were defeated in the areas of the settlements of Nevskoye, Chervonaya Dibrova of the Luhansk People's Republic and Grigorovka of the Donetsk People's Republic. During the day, up to 125 Ukrainian servicemen, two infantry fighting vehicles, three armored fighting vehicles, as well as D-20 and D-30 howitzers were destroyed in this direction .

Over 75 Ukrainian servicemen , two tanks, three armored combat vehicles, two pickup trucks, a Smerch MLRS fighting vehicle and a D- 30 . In addition, in the area of ​​​​the settlement of Markovo in the Donetsk People's Republic, a US-made AN / TPQ-37 counter-battery radar was destroyed . An ammunition depot of the 110th Mechanized Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was destroyed near the settlement of Avdiivka in the Donetsk People's Republic .

In the South-Donetsk and Zaporizhia directions , operational-tactical, army aviation and artillery of the Vostok group of forces inflicted a complex defeat on the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the areas of the settlements of Ugledar, Pavlovka, Novoselka of the Donetsk People's Republic, Dorozhnyanka and Malaya Tokmachka of the Zaporozhye region. Enemy losses per day in these directions amounted to more than 60 Ukrainian servicemen, two armored combat vehicles, two pickup trucks, a US-made M109 Paladin self-propelled artillery mount , a US-made M777 artillery system , and a D-30 howitzer .

In the Kherson direction, up to 35 Ukrainian servicemen, four vehicles, and two D-30 howitzers were destroyed during a day's fire damage to the enemy .

Operational-tactical and army aviation, missile forces and artillery of groups of troops (forces) of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation during the day defeated the 74th artillery units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine at firing positions, manpower and equipment in 128 districts.

Aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces in the area of ​​​​the settlement of Druzhkovka in the Donetsk People's Republic shot down a Su-24 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force.

A Su-25 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force was shot down by means of air defense in the area of ​​the settlement of Krynki, Kherson region . In addition, 12 rockets of the HIMARS multiple launch rocket system were intercepted and 11 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles were destroyed in the areas of the settlements of Chervonopopovka, Novoselovskoye of the Luhansk People's Republic, Sands, Kirillovka, Valerianovka, Gorlovka, Makeevka, Novoandreevka of the Donetsk People's Republic, Mirne Zaporizhzhya regions, Gorobievka and Tabaevka, Kharkiv region.

In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, the following have been destroyed: 398 aircraft, 217 helicopters, 3,356 unmanned aerial vehicles, 410 anti-aircraft missile systems, 8,205 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 1,055 combat vehicles of multiple launch rocket systems, 4,294 field artillery guns and mortars, as well as 8780 units of special military vehicles.

To throw my opinion out here regarding the situation at bakhmut.

I am still somewhat suprised by Kiev's behaviour the recent days.
...i know....i should know better from a coked up nazi comedian as president of 404 right?.

They really seem set (still at the moment ) to keep sending in troops into Bakhmut.
Depleting the Kiev army of manpower faster and faster.



It is a real clusterfuck....for Kiev.
Footage keeps getting out of Ukrainians attempting an escape from bakhmut over muddy roads that are by now littered with the twisted wreckage of ukro vehicles and dead everywhere.
Russians seem to do everything to engage these roads, Ukrainians share to each other to not stop or try to recover stuck vehicles as Russian artillery is to follow shortly.
I saw an video of panicking Ukrainian medics as they got stuck in the mud. To quickly load their wounded in another vehicle and make a run for it.

And for their "reinforcements" it is not better. they need to take the same routes into Bakhmut now.
They get harassed by RF fire, their vehicles get stuck and need to go on on foot.
Limiting their supplies they can take with and dwindling their numbers before they even got a chance to enter bakhmut.

RF forces are striking them anywhere if they can, So it is safe to say Russia is not planning to let them leave if they can help it.

Ukrainian forces could not resist the RF push in the first place as they pushed past Bakhmut.
You think Kiev/NATO's command wanted to give up the North and South of Bakhmut?.
They expect something wil magically change?. That a handfull of Wunderwaffe manned by Ukrainian Ubermensch with a 5 week training course will make a difference?.

In Kiev's position, I would have no solution to the mess they have gotten themselves in.
1.If Kiev's retreat now, They will bunch up in massive groups attempting to exit on the small muddy roads. Certainly attracting heavy artillery fire from the Russians resulting in mass casualties.
2.If they stay, they are doomed as well. As they already running low on munitions as logistics have been cut for an while. While Wagner is not relenting with their assaults (also read, they got all the ammo they need)
3.Kiev can pull a lot of forces from elsewhere to try to focus on temporarily pausing the RF advance around bakhmut and create an corridor for their forces to retreat.
But it is an shit option too and is a double-win for Russia as it allows RF forces to advance faster on weakened points elsewhere, Wagner will be pushing on any troops leaving their positions and RF artillery get an even more target rich environment to hit the ukro evacuation from Bakhmut.

and the bakhmut pocket is still open, Russians could have closed it but opted not to.
I wonder why?.

Like i said earlier, from Kievs position should have withdrawn while they had still an window to do so.
Now Denazification is inevitable for their troops there.

It is a real clusterfuck....for Kiev.

I heard that the regime in Kiev has not much faith in the next defensive line, That´s why they try to hold Bakhmut.


The boy that saved the two girls during that Nazi attack on that village in the Brayansk region is well and received an award.

First pic of the sabotage group emerged.

Asia Times: Fighting for Artyomovsk will be the beginning of the end for Ukraine, by Dmitry Zubarev for VZGLYAD. 03.07.2023.

The situation in Artemovsk was the beginning of the end for Ukraine. This opinion was expressed by columnist Brandon Weichert in an article for Asia Times.

According to him, we are seeing the beginning of the end of Ukraine right now in Artemivsk, as the Armed Forces are exhausted, Western supply chains are overloaded, and NATO arsenals are empty, Rossiyskaya Gazeta reports.

Earlier, Western media reported that the retreat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from Artemovsk began in small groups.

https://vz.ru/news/2023/3/7/1202116.html

@ hole's post 864. last picture with the squad and dog.

That is Bandit's Squad. Glad to see everyone is still doing okay

CaveatEmptor wrote:
You truly are a madman riding between episodes of manic depression and exuberance. It took them roughly 5 months to prepare for attack.

The US took over 2 years to accumulate the forces needed for OIF

From 2001 to 2003, they were building up their forces , from tanks, planes, infantry, and the like

They had to pool everything together from Saudi Arabia and through Turkey to get ready for the invasion

Even before then they were enforcing a no fly zone

They had been wearing down republican guard even long before then if you want to be technical, since gulf War

5 months my ass

“Unfortunately, instead of the previously reached agreement “160 to 160”, the Ukrainian side agreed to exchange only 90 people,” Moskalkova wrote.

Surprised it took this long for the Anglo satanists to put an end to these prisoner exchanges. That looks too much like cooperation. It looks like Russia is capable of negotiation. We cant have that. They probably did the negotiation and some CIA officer came in and said "just send 90." And that's that.

And then we will see in the media that Russia only sent 90 and agreed to 160.

Chinese are pussys. They know very well they are the next on the list and they just do nothing.

Units of PMC "Wagner" occupied the entire eastern part of Artemovsk (Bakhmut) - Prigozhin
In particular, the entire territory east of the Bakhmutka River is under the control of "orchestrants", said the head of the PMC.
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