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    Post  GarryB Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:24 am

    Those glide bombs (new build or old with add-on kit) can be launched by all Su-27SM3, Su-30, Su-34 and Su-35.
    Propably the modified Su-24M and the Su-25SM3, too.

    True, but in terms of costs to deliver a MiG-35 is likely rather cheaper than any of those options except possibly the Frogfoot, with the benefit of modern avionics to be able to defend itself from enemy fire and also the ability to gather intel on the ground it operates over as it goes in to deliver its payload.

    Are the M62 high drag models really suitable for that?

    The bombs shown are M54 high drag models, you are perhaps talking about the M62 low drag models for external carriage on tactical jets?

    And I would agree too that the low drag bomb design would work best as a glide bomb.

    Oops... seems Hole beat me to it...  Smile

    Sources claim there is a version of the guided glide kit for heavier bombs.
    The drag is only an issue as long as the bomb is on the plane. These bombs were designed for
    old piston-engine bombers and the first jet bombers, all of which had internal weapons bays so
    drag was no issue at all. Carrying them under the wing reduces the range of the plane, maybe
    the cruise speed has to be lower as well. But for the dropped bombs there should be no problem
    for the guidance kit to bring her home.

    I suspect he means that putting a glide kit on a bomb would make more sense with a low drag bomb in terms of range achieved by the glide kit when used on a lower drag bomb.

    The guidance kit inside the bomb should mean the bomb will hit the target no matter what type of bomb it is but certainly using a higher drag bomb designed for internal bomb bay carriage would reduce its effective range.

    I would expect the avionics of the aircraft would allow for the aerodynamics of the bomb and the glide kit when calculating release distance and height and speed and the guidance kit in the glide kit would compensate for the increased drag to get the bomb on target anyway.

    Yes there is, and the 1500kh bombs are reportedly even further range.

    They also have 1.5 ton guided bombs with glide wings built in for standoff use.

    First is fab-1500-2600ts. Web sources call it upab 1500 and seems to be a gliding bomb, no fins or wings though so highly unlikely to be the case.

    Their glide bombs have folding wings that scissor out on release...

    Here is a drawing:

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    And the actual bomb folded up:

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    Classified documents detailing secret American and NATO plans have appeared on Twitter and Telegram.

    The best way to get out of having to help is to fake this sort of thing, so any offensive would need to be cancelled now... because they know launching an offensive will lead to the Orc army being crushed and the game they are playing ending but not on their terms.

    Could have been leaked on purpose by the ukes to mislead the z forces. The NYT said the leaks were legit. Yeah. When does the US propaganda sheets ever come out and authenticate leaks?

    I wouldn't trust anything they said... even if it was that they surrender.

    Modern day precision bombing

    Nice. 30mm grenades from the AGS-17 and AGS-30 grenade launchers... their impact fuses would be useful for dropping as bombs, and RGO and RGN hand grenades also have an impact fuse which would make them useful as bombs too...

    The more precise you are the less powerful bombs you need. A grenade in a tank is gonna damage it way more than a fab-500 that lands 200m away.

    That is true to a degree, but no level of accuracy with a hand grenade will take out a tank with its hatches shut.

    I am surprised they are not deploying individual PTAB submunitions used in their cluster bombs and artillery cluster munitions... I guess it is likely lack of access as such weapons are not normally delivered to the trenches except enemy trenches of course.

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    Post  Backman Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:38 am

    RezidentUA:

    "Our source at the OP said that a high-level delegation led by MI6 chief Richard Moore has completed its visit to Moldova. During the visit, meetings were held with Maia Sandu and SIS director Alexandru Musteata.

    After Moldova, Richard Moore arrived in Odessa, where he began his two-day visit to Ukraine. There are plans to meet with President Zelensky and discuss a number of issues related to the counteroffensive."

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    Post  Hole Fri Apr 07, 2023 7:02 am

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    Donetsk last night

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    Post  Sujoy Fri Apr 07, 2023 7:40 am

    Muzzle of an Ukrainian 2S1 blew off after it used shells made in Pakistan.

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    Post  Hole Fri Apr 07, 2023 11:21 am

    Thank you, Pakistan. Very Happy

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    Post  mnztr Fri Apr 07, 2023 12:49 pm

    Are we gonna resurrect the famous Downfall meme...except in this case there will be no need to change the dialog? Would be cool if some one can CGI Zelenskys face on over the Fuhrer's.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Apr 07, 2023 1:28 pm

    Post Hole Today at 4:21 pm

    Thank you, Pakistan. Very Happy


    I would say, it is Sujoy's suitable interpretation Laughing targeting his true friends from Pak, second only to the Chinese Laughing Laughing Laughing

    But I have something nice spotted from Artemovsk.

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    The general comment from the material was about "foreign mercenaries", and that pictures perfectly fine how the Russian carried propaganda works. And that it is not much more brilliant rather than Ukro one.

    First, red letters on a registration plates means a time driving permission. You just but them while being in the EU, the price already covers the insurance, and you can drive the car legally.
    In 99% of the cases, it applies to the cars that are being exported, and have nothing in common with a car registered in the EU country.
    So what we have here, is just a car imported from Poland - tens of thousands of cases.

    The label on the window is actually some primitive slogan that the local equivalent of rednecks are sticking, so nothing relevant.

    And the box on the top, the label on it is just a brand name of Jula general stores that are quite popular in Poland.

    So no, there is zero evidence that the car was driven by Pole/owned by Pole/used by Poles.
    Opposite.
    A Pole would use any kind of regular plates with black numbers, as it is perfectly fine.
    In the very same way, Polish car documents assisting sell of a car were presented as a proof of Poles involved.
    A notary permit of using a car by a non-owner was presented with the same comments.

    And quite seriously, I can believe that the guy from that film is dead serious about his clue.

    Just ... don't believe in all that we can hear.
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    Post  Backman Fri Apr 07, 2023 2:04 pm

    This was an ok panel. Dima thinks Moldova will be in play during the counter offensive. He's got a shoddy record but the Mi6 scum was there recently. When agency heads are meeting in areas, terrorism and fuckery usually follows. If Transnistria is attacked, then basically nothing is off limits anymore. What is Russia's nuclear deterrent deterring anymore?

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    Post  Kiko Fri Apr 07, 2023 2:45 pm

    Russian forces advance from the center of Artemovsk to the west, 04.07.2023.

    Fighters "Wagner" are moving from the center of Artemovsk to the western quarters.

    ARTEMOVSK, April 7 - RIA Novosti. The "Wagner Group" is moving towards the western quarters of Artemovsk in the DPR, a RIA Novosti correspondent reports.

    According to one of the fighters, now the detachments are located near the district administration of the city. He clarified that its employees were responsible for the center of Artemovsk. At the same time, the main administration is located to the north, which is also under the control of the Wagner Group.

    Stormtroopers said that during the retreat, the Ukrainian units blew up several buildings in the center. This includes the building of the city administration. According to a RIA Novosti correspondent, the building of the tax inspectorate "formed" as it was blown up from the inside. He clarified that this is a new tactic of the Ukrainian military. Soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine blow up houses so that the dominant heights and strong buildings do not get to the "Wagner Group" and it is easier for them to defend themselves.

    According to the fighters, the administration building was blown up not only for military purposes, but also for propaganda, so that the Russian flag and the Wagner banner would not be hung on it.

    “It was a little hard to storm the center. We came from private houses, and, as you can see, nine-story buildings and skyscrapers went here. It was difficult - machine gunners, snipers ... We worked with all our efforts, with all the guns, we even managed to burn something and smoke out the enemy from there. It was a difficult task to take one of the skyscrapers. As soon as they got hooked on it, it became much easier," said the fighter.

    https://ria.ru/20230407/artemovsk-1863850938.html

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Apr 07, 2023 4:51 pm

    Note the well worn standard winter tyres on the roof and the almost bald tyres desperately trying to get some grip in the mud. No wonder its stuck.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Apr 07, 2023 5:10 pm

    Talk of the Kinzahl strike on the command center rumbles on



    Ukrainian sources report that NATO was very impressed by the 🇷🇺Kinzhal strike on their command post in Ukraine (near Lvov) Those NATO officers who were not hit and survived the strike became as cautious as possible, in particular, they stopped traveling to the front lines. Although, as we can see, they are well reached even in the deep rear, if only there were an order.

    The "Kinzhal" strike was extremely precise and effective. Of course, the number, names, ranks, and positions of the foreigners killed are not reported, but the Nazi General Staff says behind the scenes that this is the first time there have been "so many" high-ranking victims.
    The top of the Nazi General Staff was summoned to "debrief" at the U.S. Embassy in Kiev, where, among other things, they were accused of poor secrecy and inadequate implementation of counterintelligence measures. although both are handled by American intelligence services at NATO facilities.

    Of course, all measures were taken to prevent information about the incident from "leaking" into the Western media field. But it did happen, and at least two journalistic groups of American publications affiliated with Republicans are literally "digging the earth" in search of facts. And, given the corrupt nature of the Ukrainian military, they are likely to get it.

    In the meantime, a large part of the NATO contingent has left Ukraine under the pretext of rotations.

    "Under the pretext," because previously they didn't leave until a replacement arrived and was introduced to the cause. Now, no one has arrived yet. So, judging by the reports of Ukrainian sources, the blow to the real decision-making center at the operational level, seemed much, much better.

    #source (https://t.me/WarDonbass/106373)

    https://t.me/Slavyangrad/40817

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    Post  Arrow Fri Apr 07, 2023 5:29 pm

    Ukraine resumes electricity exports to the EU.Hundreds of cruise missiles could not seriously damage Ukraine's power system. Most of the damage has been repaired.

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    Post  Backman Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:26 pm

    You know the Nato propagandists are doing something right when smart guys like this think that Nato is hands off as far as the combat goes. If Nato didn't have an iron grip of the war through the nazis , the war would have been over 8 months ago

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    Post  Erk Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:30 pm

    Arrow Wrote:

    Ukraine resumes electricity exports to the EU.Hundreds of cruise missiles could not seriously damage Ukraine's power system. Most of the damage has been repaired.


    Your comment sounds like you think the objective of the Russian missile strikes on the power grid was supposed to destroy Ukraine's power generation ability, and the effort failed.

    I do not believe that for a moment. I believe the Russians deliberately targeted the easy to repair sections of the grid, eg. substations, and other transmission infrastructure, which were important enough targets to force Ukraine to reveal, and use it's air defense, and to slow certain Ukrainian military re-deployments.

    Had Russia wanted to destroy Ukraine's power generation capacity, it would have simply targeted the power generators, not the substations and transmission facilities.

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    Post  Arrow Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:57 pm

    Had Russia wanted to destroy Ukraine's power generation capacity, it would have simply targeted the power generators, not the substations and transmission facilities. wrote:

    Yes it's true. Perhaps it did not want to completely destroy the Ukrainian energy infrastructure. On the other hand, aiming at energy stations is not very effective. Breaks in the supply of electricity do not last long and failures are quickly removed.
    As for slowing down the redeployment of armed forces. It hardly affected it. They are now preparing for a major offensive. Anyway, the redeployment of forces may be desirable if they want to destroy them on the current front line

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    Post  DerWolf Fri Apr 07, 2023 7:22 pm

    The ukr offensive might be around the corner, but where the main thrust will be remains a mystery.
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    Post  Erk Fri Apr 07, 2023 10:12 pm

    DerWolf wrote:

    The ukr offensive might be around the corner, but where the main thrust will be remains a mystery.


    It wont be a mystery to the Russian military with their blanket drone and satellite surveillance

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    Post  Backman Fri Apr 07, 2023 11:45 pm

    As for slowing down the redeployment of armed forces. It hardly affected it.

    You don't know that.

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    Post  GreyHog Sat Apr 08, 2023 12:03 am

    Backman wrote:What is Russia's nuclear deterrent deterring anymore?

    Would a drawn gun deter a deranged person from charging you with nothing but bare hands from several distance away?

    Deterrent works, but mostly against sane, rationally minded party.

    And as much as I am aware, right now, one of the parties is categorically insane.

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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Apr 08, 2023 12:19 am


    Lure in some Poles or other NATO space cadets into West Ukraine and then light them up with standard 2MT

    Deterrent will start working again no problem after that plus it will solve massive number of other problems long before they happen





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    Post  Backman Sat Apr 08, 2023 12:39 am

    lol1

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    Post  PhSt Sat Apr 08, 2023 1:00 am

    Lure in some Poles or other NATO space cadets into West Ukraine and then light them up with standard 2MT

    I think nukes are reserved in the event of official hostilities with NATzO. For NATzO forces occupying Ukraine, I believe FOABs and other similar conventional weapons with Nuke-like blast radius and firepower would suffice. And if its not in existence yet (other than FOABs), then perhaps its time to develop them ASAP.

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    Post  Backman Sat Apr 08, 2023 1:35 am

    ^ Nukes were supposed to be a deterrent for nuclear powers to not cross each others national security red lines.

    But the US did anyway. And continues to.

    What does official hostilities even mean ? The same thing we have now except the shoulder patches on the troops are different ?

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    Post  GarryB Sat Apr 08, 2023 2:11 am

    Muzzle of an Ukrainian 2S1 blew off after it used shells made in Pakistan.

    In several conflicts the CIA would modify 7.62x39mm ammo that their troops generally didn't use but their enemy mainly used by replacing the powder with plastic explosive and a detonator, and leaving it behind on the battlefield for the enemy troops to pick up and use.

    Obviously using it destroyed their rifle, but more fundamentally it reduced confidence in the Soviet supplied weapons... ironically the M16 in the Vietnam war often did something similar when rounds didn't leave the barrel and follow up shots burst the barrel and often injured the soldier, but that was poor design rather than actual sabotage by the enemy.

    Perhaps the Russians should get the people of Pakistan selling this ammo to slip a few surprises in their ammo batches... perhaps they already have...

    Cheap ammo is always a risk...

    And when it has been in storage for a decade or more with no regulation or procedures to keep them in good shape then it becomes rather risky... but the sellers don't care and neither do the buyers... it is the users that suffer.

    Yes it's true. Perhaps it did not want to completely destroy the Ukrainian energy infrastructure.

    Yeah, what is the point of carefully not killing civilians if they are then going to destroy the power grid and let civilians freeze to death all over the country?

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