It ended up costing the lives of various pilots. Hopefully they find the AD systems and knock em out.
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PapaDragon wrote:
Dead enemy can't shoot down your overhyped planes
Just sayin'
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Can someone hit the hibernate button on PhSt's control panel he's stuck in a loop
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Podlodka77 wrote:Why are you panicking when I wrote you the only truth a long time ago - airplanes are junk.
And always the same story, panic when the plane crashes !
Why, NO type of aircraft will free either Bakhmut or Ulgedar or Avdeyevka.
I still think and maintain that the planes are junk, but what I would MOST like is to prove to ISOS and the like that the Rafale would crash just like the Russian planes. All of you from the West have an INBORN sense of superiority proven by NOTHING and only the application of Western aviation can show all the weakness of it. What greater proof of the powerlessness of Western aviation is needed than the ban on the sale of F-35s to Turkey after Turkey acquired the S-400.
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sepheronx wrote:There was indeed a serious lack of intelligence and complacency from Russian side that allowed these aircraft to be shot down. Add to that, I agree with ISOS as there is indeed a central radar system to these AD systems to be able to initially detect the planes. Su-35 MAWS should have picked it up.
It ended up costing the lives of various pilots. Hopefully they find the AD systems and knock em out.
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Mir wrote:@Isos
As a long standing member with well over 10 000 posts I am astounded at the low level of level of intelligence in your posts.
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He deserves nothing but an ignore at this point.Mir wrote:@Isos
As a long standing member with well over 10 000 posts I am astounded at the low level of level of intelligence in your posts.
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Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:@LogKa11
UPDATE: There’s now reports that:
- 2 Mi-8 helicopters,
- Su-34 fighter-bomber
- Su-35 fighter
Crashed in the Bryansk region
Some suspect it could’ve been a large number of long-range air-to-air missiles fired from Chernihiv region inside Ukraine.
If it was air-to-air missiles, then it could be the R-27 missiles. These missiles have been produced in Ukraine since the Soviet times and some variants have 130km range and the Ukrainian ones are currently made by the Artem Rocket Holding Company.
The Artem plant in Kiev..
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PhSt wrote:Its Russia's turn to escalate. Supply Ground to Air missiles to all militants or groups fighting NATzO forces...
zorobabel wrote:All pilots reportedly dead, btw
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mnztr wrote:Odin of Ossetia wrote:mnztr wrote:Hole wrote:You can´t destroy rail lines or even roads with some bombs. You can only damage a few metres which can be repairedBut still, why all the rails lines and main road are not hit daily with FAB 500's is a real mystery to me.
in a matter of hours (in case of railways) or even faster (roads).
you drop bombs and mines. you can do this every day. When they show up to repair you bomb it and kill the crews.
How it was done during World War 2:
http://michalw.narod.ru/index-ZiemiKieleckiej.html
http://michalw.narod.ru/index-GL.html
Did they have Glonass, jet fighters that can carry 10T of glide bombs and Iskander missiles, and TU-22's in WWII?
Have a nice reading.
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Sujoy wrote:Assuming South Africa does ship weapons to Russia. What could they be:
1. ZU-23-2, and stockpiled 23mm ammo
2. RPG-7
3. Laser illuminators (RDI 5perhaps) compatible with T-72 tanks
4. Rocket propellants
5. S4 SOW ( Pakistan uses with its JF17)
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Hole wrote:With the Ukro side loosing 10 times the number of fighters. Hopefully there leadership is stupid enoughyesterday 2.5 months of progress (and hundreds of lives) were undone in 48 hours
to keep them there so that russian artillery can kill even more of them.
PhSt wrote:Honestly I do not understand the reason for your criticism or even hostility towards me, this goes to the others here who dislike my opinions for no good reason
NATzO is crossing many red lines already, this is becoming obvious, I am simply asking Russia to do the same, if someone slaps you in the face, once, twice, then thrice, I believe it is only justified that you hit them with a sledgehammer.
My point is that Russia needs to impose more pain and suffering to Ukraine and its NATzO hosts. This is the bottomline.
Russia needs to end its policy of restricted warfare, like avoiding to hit Ukrop and NATzO positions because they are using human shields, because NATzO forces are able to take advantage of this to the detriment of Russia.
I'm not going to pretend to be a saint in here and say carefully worded opinions for the sake of being politically correct. If Russia needs to kill civilians to Win the War then I am all for it. Whats important is for Russia to Win or at least draw the war by making sure that NATzO also lose and gets wiped out.
Podlodka77 wrote:Why are you panicking when I wrote you the only truth a long time ago - airplanes are junk.
And always the same story, panic when the plane crashes !
Why, NO type of aircraft will free either Bakhmut or Ulgedar or Avdeyevka.
I still think and maintain that the planes are junk, but what I would MOST like is to prove to ISOS and the like that the Rafale would crash just like the Russian planes. All of you from the West have an INBORN sense of superiority proven by NOTHING and only the application of Western aviation can show all the weakness of it. What greater proof of the powerlessness of Western aviation is needed than the ban on the sale of F-35s to Turkey after Turkey acquired the S-400.
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