Russian special military operation in Ukraine #42

Patriots cant shoot down Kinzals. This isn't a controversial take. It is clearly red meat propaganda for normies who know nothing about this stuff.

The alleged Khinzhal "shootdown" is propaganda. Apparently the Ukies have admitted that no such thing happened.  Sounds like some Ukie agitprop clowns attempted to fabricate evidence but the adults in the room nipped the effort in the bud in a (failed) attempt to salvage some shred of credability.

This is the alleged "Khinzhal"



Looks like a bomb casing or some kind to me, deliberately buried in the ground and presented for the cameras.  Maybe they used the same fabricators who setup the Syria "CW attacks"?    Only a moron would think that this big heavy of steel is an air-launched missile!  What more, how the fck would a PAC-3 blow a neat hole through such a heavy steel casing with a framentation warhead?      

Ukrops is so stupid...  

https://t.me/rybar/46640

I don’t get the nuke discussion. Russia does not have offensive nuclear doctrine; and we are miles away from the Russian state being in jeopardy.

The nuke talk is not really about the Ukraine, but about HATO nations wanting to join in.

There is nothing in the Ukraine worth nuking right now... but if the US and Poland send 20 divisions of troops into western Ukraine, then Russia would rightly nuke them because that is an escalation they cannot tolerate.

When HATO gets directly involved then nukes are sensible because they will make the west stop escalating and for the few sensible people in the west to say enough is enough these idiots are going to get us all killed.

Thinking you can use nukes in the middle of nowhere (in Ukraine) and believing it will not have any effect elsewhere would just need to look at Chernobyl and what effect the fallout had on Europe and the Scandinavian countries. Enjoy your cancer

Some times a hysterical person needs a slap to wake them up... using nukes is a serious thing and it wont be done for fun.

The west thinks they can push and push and push with no consequences... the use of nuclear weapons against HATO forces in the Ukraine might be what is needed.

The US Embassy has more people working than the Ukraine government because it essentially is the Ukraine government... take them down with conventional weapons first before going for nukes, but if HATO countries want to join in then fighting HATO forces directly justifies the use of nukes... it is in the Russian doctrine.

It's just that the Russians wants this statu quo to keep going and that positions stay fix and front don't move.

No, the Russians want to kill orcs and not take new ground just yet.

For the rocket thing, bm-21 have a good precision because they are static and you can calculate the the impact point. From an helicopter you can't.

A BM-21 can reach 35-40kms range... the 80mm rockets fired at 30 degree elevations probably reach 6 or 7km at best.

They must at least take over the Donbass.

They have said they need to take Russian territory plus the distance of territory equal to the longest range of enemy weapons to prevent the other side continuing to shell Russian territory.

That currently means 150km or so of Orc territory outside the Russian border needs to be neutralised, but once it is a referendum might result in that region wanting to join the RF too... so again another 150km from that regions border... till they get to HATO territory.

Their bark is worse than their bite.

Their bark created this conflict and keeps it going...

Yesterday in one of TG channels I have read quote from Pirghzin said ukier bring 400-600 daily an loose sam amount daily... since it was reference to reference to different channels i need to search it again.

Understanding you are part of a meat grinder is a problem really because you want the deaths of your guys to mean something and to have goals to aim for.

Stay in position and keep killing them is not easy... with no obvious end in sight.

The large bridges on the Dnieper river to effectively cut off the East from the West of the country.

They have weapons that can perform that role without needing nukes.

flamming_python wrote:No-ones going to use nukes.

Slight correction:

Russia is not going to use nukes.

The United States of America has used nukes in the past, and will do so again in the near future.

The Americans were talking about nuclear armed bunker busters which of course lowers the thresh hold for the use of nukes to attacking Iran or a range of other countries they are bullying...

It might require the use of nukes to wake up a few delusional yanks with their heads up their arses... or more accurately it might take Russian use of nukes for the sensible people in the west to remove the psychos from office in the west before they do some real harm to everyone.

owais.usmani wrote:

flamming_python wrote:No-ones going to use nukes.

Slight correction:

Russia is not going to use nukes.

The United States of America has used nukes in the past, and will do so again in the near future.

Way back when they used the atom bombs on the Japanese they thought they had a monopoly and that it would scare the Soviets shitless.
Well it turned out they made a slight error with that kind of thinking (Manhattan Project). If they had the monopoly on this "Super Weapon" we would all probably suffer the from the effects of a long nuclear winter - but alas we thankfully have MAD.

Strange how proponents of nuclear weapons just brush it off as no big deal - like the war hawks in Washington. Someone here said that a ground explosion is far more powerful than an air-burst one - totally the opposite actually.

I am back in Donetsk. Scene of the recent Nazi rocket attack. Attacked civilians with HIMARS.

Evgeny Prigozhin: today we received a combat order, for the first time in all this time. The bottom line is the following - they promise to give us as much ammunition and weapons as we need to continue further actions, they swear to us that everything will be put up on the flank so that the enemy does not cut us off. We are told that we can act in Artemovsk as we see fit, and we are given Surovikin as a person who will make all decisions in the framework of the military operations of the Wagner PMC in cooperation with the Ministry of Defense.

Do not know if this source has been posted here before, in my view the best analysis of SMO and related geopolitics:

https://bmanalysis.substack.com

Backman wrote:Patriots cant shoot down Kinzals. This isn't a controversial take. It is clearly red meat propaganda for normies who know nothing about this stuff.

I don't think they did, with this dumb fake wreckage, but I don't see why it wouldn't be possible. It depends on the Patriot operators calculating the intercept trajectory of the Kinzhal and for the Kinzhal to not do any manuevers between launch and impact. Not too likely, but could happen.

In Poland, they announced the interception of their aircraft by Russian Su-35 over the Black Sea

https://ria.ru/20230507/samolet-1870306301.html

"A twin-engine Russian Su-35 fighter aircraft flew into the operational zone designated by Romania without any radio contact, after which it made aggressive and dangerous maneuvers - three approaches to the Polish aircraft without maintaining a safe distance," the Polish Border Guard said.

In Polish propaganda site they say NATO on high alert, they not explain though what is "international waters in sector designed by Romania" so its intl or Romanian part of Black Sea? Im sure NATO is close to war because Poles were flying on Black Sea wait they dont have access to black sea right?

Backman wrote:Patriots cant shoot down Kinzals. This isn't a controversial take. It is clearly red meat propaganda for normies who know nothing about this stuff.

dietitians say: red meat bad white meat good

Let's follow the logic. There is plenty of talk about how the great Ukr counter-offensive is supposed to scare the Russians and cause the Putin regime to be destabilized. If the plan is to win via destabilization, then it cannot be on the front. Nobody with a functional brain would accept that some human wave
spasm on the front is going to make the Russian army run away and Putin to lose power. So the real counter-offensive must be mostly about terrorism
inside Russia. The surprise factor requires this.

The attack on the senate building, targets in Crimea and elsewhere are just a taste of what is to come. I expect a large number of attacks inside Russia
on all sorts of targets with every Ukr sabotage group deployed. This is indeed the Kiev regime's last throw. It has failed on the front, and has nothing
else than a "Tet offensive" in the hopes of scaring the Russian public.

flamming_python wrote:

Backman wrote:Patriots cant shoot down Kinzals. This isn't a controversial take. It is clearly red meat propaganda for normies who know nothing about this stuff.

I don't think they did, with this dumb fake wreckage, but I don't see why it wouldn't be possible. It depends on the Patriot operators calculating the intercept trajectory of the Kinzhal and for the Kinzhal to not do any manuevers between launch and impact. Not too likely, but could happen.

In the non manuevering case, the combined speed of interception would be anywhere between Mach 10 and 15. After impact, whatever parts remain of both missiles, would be "ejected" from the impact point at hypersonic speeds on erratic course. The materials cope with hypersonic airspeed only due to aerodynamic profile. If that profile is gone, the piece of material pulverizes. There would be nothing but dust left.

Analysis of another air defense position area (Danilovka, Kiev region, reference 50.251971, 30.175487), destroyed at the beginning of the NMD.
9612 ZRDN 96 ZRB was armed with 12 launchers 5P851 of the S-300PT complex. As a result, 4 destroyed launchers are reliably visible on the satellite map, but judging by the localization of the impact marks, 6 launchers and part of the TPK were destroyed.
https://t.me/lost_armour/670

operational zone designated by Romania

This is the area where some maneuvers are happening, inside international waters.

If the plan is to win via destabilization

If the Chechens and their "brothers" from al-Kaida couldn´t destabilize Russia some 25 years ago,
I doubt that the Ukros can do it with todays Russia.

devastating effects on ground targets

That´s why I´m waiting for the Kinzahl and Epokha turrets to become operational.

Speaking of nukes , the IAEA shills are sounding the alarm again over the Zaporizia nuclear plant. While Russia evacuates ppl around it. 

I think the US and Ukraine are going to use everything at their disposal to breach one of the nuclear vessels in that plant. If they can't have it , they will spoil it. 

They could use some of the few aircraft Ukraine has left for a suicide bombing of the plant. And they will just pretend that a jet was shot down over it

 An old Mig 29 packed with explosives going at top speed

Backman wrote:Speaking of nukes , the IAEA shills are sounding the alarm again over the Zaporizia nuclear plant. While Russia evacuates ppl around it. 

I think the US and Ukraine are going to use everything at their disposal to breach one of the nuclear vessels in that plant. If they can't have it , they will spoil it. 

They could use some of the few aircraft Ukraine has left for a suicide bombing of the plant. And they will just pretend that a jet was shot down over it

 An old Mig 29 packed with explosives going at top speed

Will be eaten by TOR with Kiss Hands before it does any damage.

^ It depends on how much effort the swine put into it. What if they bring specialized munitions close to it for that purpose ?