Russian special military operation in Ukraine #42

And calling victory for the west and Russia failing is very premature.

It's not that it's premature, it's that it's the direct opposite of what's happening

What we are witnessing is the last throw of the dice and the last convulsions of all these NATO planners who have failed in everything they've tried so far to 'defeat Russia'. Soon after this there simply won't be any more men or material to spare.

I have no doubt that Russian military command has anticipated the latest NATO-directed operation we are witnessing now and didn't fall for Zelensky's claims two days ago that he cannot go ahead with the offensive for now. Which means that this latest stunt is doomed to fail because the Ukrainians would only have the remotest chance of accomplishing anything if they did really catch Russian command in operational surprise and the later didn't have the reserves on hand to do anything about it. But the first condition is unlikely to be true and the second condition is absolutely not true.
Perhaps Prigozhin was part of the Russian deception operation after all, in turn. I guess we'll find out in time.

And you NAFO morons posting here are wasting your time. No-one's falling for it, and there are wiser investments of your time than in hanging around on a forum with a grand total of about 20 active members.

The SMO success should be evaluated on damage to the US economic system

While they make noise about non events, they cannot raise their own debt ceiling

Meaning Russia has forced them to spend their cash, while at the same time forcing a dedollarization effect that has caused them to enter a default mode by June

Both Yellen and Powell are screaming mayday, and the US just wants anything to happen at this point before this becomes the world's major headline



As for the Ukros, Russia is wasting them and once the US default hits and they run out of supplies, the whole charade is over

If i was Moscow, I'd cancel the grain deal and stick the last dagger in the dollar, then let shit hit the fan,

The US support for Ukraine will end soon:

An irrelevant (to the war) stunt staged by the Kiev regime and the concern and "Russia fail" trolls are in a frenzy. The panic induction pattern is the same
as on Telegram where doomer pussies are systematically triggered by Ukr agitators over every Russian "zrada" on a practically daily basis. Diaper sales must be through the roof.

I bit more on this. Compare and contrast with Ukraine's victories over the past couple of days.

That's right. The very fact that NATO and the Ukraine is desperately escalating with new wunderwaffles as the Me-262 in its time and launching these overhyped offensives that are supposed to turn the tide of the war as if it's the Battle of the Bulge all over again is in fact an indication that Russia's strategy is the correct one, not that it's the incorrect one.

And while adjustments and adaptions should always be made, those are merely tactical. More reserves here, APS on tanks over there, whatever. The actual strategy itself though of digging in and letting the enemy come to you and break up upon your defenses like a wave upon the cliffs is working just fine.

The US is the one that's on borrowed time here. The Ukraine even more so. I frankly don't care even if the US support to the Ukraine doesn't end though. The Ukraine's manpower will end regardless, or its morale. So keep calm, and keep 'em firing.

sundoesntrise wrote:Instead of playing dumb you should ask yourself why this forum has turned into an empty shell of its former self since February 23, 2022.

It was never a roaring bastion of popularity and I don't recall you being here before the same February 23, 2022 either - not past a couple of posts at any rate. So if anything it looks like we got ourselves some new members on balance haven't we now.

I'd give you a hint because you're a particular example of someone hurt by Kremlin propaganda induced brainrot. The vast majority of the by now former posters couldn't stand the nonsense and gibberish coming from people like you anymore - basically telling the world black is white and vice versa. Dogpiling everyone that at some point questioned the above. The Return of Investment dropped significantly and those that stayed barely have anything interesting to mention - just look at that clown TMA1 to visualize these words.

You and some others have singled me out here before as some kind of Kremlin propaganda mastermind, and now I'm apparently a victim of such instead. I can take either as a compliment, but neither is particularly accurate. I like this forum as I can elaborate on my thinking here and receive feedback on it. Speaking of feedback - thanks for yours.

The forum turned from a place for discussion and inform sharing into a Kremlin echochamber populated by no doubt a large amount of shills on a payroll. Their goal: defend the Party line at all costs. And so it happened and is still happening. The Party line is getting defended at all costs, even though it chased away most of the membership.

Nonsense, it was always an echo-chamber, actually before more than now. Now yes, we actually do have some real discussion on here, thanks to the NAFO trolls like yourself who turn up once in a bluemoon to try and convince us the 'cause' is lost and that Putin needs to be overthrown - for such is the essence of all these posts.
Two problems here though, one for me and one for you. The problem for me is that although one does witness now a serious difference of opinion here - your joint doomer & NAFO side is so low-bro, so ill-argumented, so primitive; that it amounts to a total waste of time and me having to repeat the same obvious even to a 10-y/o things every single damn time. No, Russia is not suddenly 'losing' because the Ukraine launched an offensive and took back a few blocks of Bakhmut, or ambushed some Russian aircraft - any more than the Palestinians were about to get their land back because Hezbollah ambushed that Israeli F-16 in the skies over Lebanon some years back.
Meanwhile the problem for you and others, whatever your agenda actually happens to be - even if you are just disillusioned formerly pro-Russian whatever trolls and nothing more - is that convincing the paltry crowd here is just a waste of your time anyway, even if you do accomplish it. The vast majority of people here are not even from Russia, and can have no possible bearing on the war or the political situation in Russia.

It is now Day 444 of the 'SMO' Russia has been unable to progress for nearly 9 months - the only advances being realized by a PMC that's acting outside the thoroughly diseased RAF. Even so, yesterday 2.5 months of progress (and hundreds of lives) were undone in 48 hours - an offensive quickly dubbed 'a propaganda effort' by the usual retards on here.

Progress in this war is measured in bodycounts per 24/h not temporal territorial gains which hold no meaning whatsoever while the war is still hot.
Russian planners realized that quite early in the war, NATO planners still haven't, and that's a big part of the reason why the war is not going well for them.

Western money and equipment keeps on pouring in.

Let it. The Ukrainian economy they can run virtually anyway and none of the equipment matters except for the long-range missiles they provide to Kiev; which Russia can't reliably interdict along the way anyway.

The Ukrainian leadership is safe and cozy in Kiev.

Let them; they're the ones running their own army into the ground.

Russia is either unable or unwilling take out vital Ukrainian infrastructure. Ukrainian C&C still stands, etc. etc. etc.

That's all run by NATO and based on NATO territory directly by now. The parts that then run into Ukrainian territory, or rely on some part of Ukrainian territory - Russia does strike and very frequently. You're not going to get pics and videos of these strikes, as me and others have explained a thousand and one times.

It's a disgrace and so are you for providing cover for this.

Let's pretend you're posting in good faith here and not as part of a Western disinformation operation.
You are the equivalent of those generals on the eve of WW1 who expected the war would be won with grand cavalry charges. It didn't work. Some generals quickly adapted to the new reality and realized the sort of war this now was, and yet some simply didn't and stubbornly clung on to their outdated conceptions of war.

One Patriot destroys so many stuff in one attack. Seriously? Those sukhois suck. They don't even detect radar emissions.


Their intel gathering sucks too.

Then you have people like Garry that say those su-34 can wipe out NATO forces... meanwhile they can't destroy a single Patriot accross the border.

Queers and steers, faggots and maggots, doomers and gloomers...

Isos wrote:One Patriot destroys so many stuff in one attack. Seriously? Those sukhois suck. They don't even detect radar emissions.  


Their intel gathering sucks too.

Then you have people like Garry that say those su-34 can wipe out NATO forces... meanwhile they can't destroy a single Patriot accross the border.

What radar emissions would you have them detect?

Those from an incoming active-radar homing missile? Sure, they'll detect that, but by then it's too late to do much about it.
Other than that, they were all clearly taken by surprise, they weren't expecting an enemy long-range air defense system to start targeting them. Which points to an intel failure indeed. No reason to assume, if the enemy still has S-300s or Patriots in operation, that they won't place them right on the border and start shooting stuff down. Complacency.

I think the delay in the vaunted Kiev regime offensive is real and not a feint. The strikes on ammo dumps have been epic. I do not recall such
enormous explosions a year ago. Without these ammo dumps there is no offensive. Russian intel must be on a roll. I am sure that every
bit of munitions was shuttled in via civilian traffic and stored in a way as to minimize obvious exposure of the storage activity.

Meanwhile we have noise over some BS Kiev regime "peremoga" events.

Can someone hit the hibernate button on PhSt's control panel he's stuck in a loop

What radar emissions would you have them detect?

Those from an incoming active-radar homing missile? Sure, they'll detect that, but by then it's too late to do much about it.
Other than that, they were all clearly taken by surprise, they weren't expecting an enemy long-range air defense system to start targeting them. Which points to an intel failure indeed. No reason to assume, if the enemy still has S-300s or Patriots in operation, that they won't place them right on the border and start shooting stuff down. Complacency.

Patriot has a central radar. They should have EW planes and RWR inside su-34 detect them as soon as they are turned on. Patriot can't shoot passively and doesn't use active radar missiles.

What are they expecting ? They received Patriots and they are in a war in which ukro use all their weapons. Are they that much dumb ?