Russian special military operation in Ukraine #42

Apparently the first Leopard 2 has fallen near Soledar. It was first disabled by an AT mine and the destroyed with RPG's.

Small explosion, so small missiles, if any. MANPADS

Mir wrote:Apparently the first Leopard 2 has fallen near Soledar. It was first disabled by an AT mine and the destroyed with RPG's.

Pics or it didn't happen. At this point nobody is interested in feel good propaganda or phantom victories anymore.

What did happen on the other hand though is the downing of a Russian MI 8 chopper and Su34 fighter jet deep into Russian territory. It's just L after L at this point.

Also keep in mind that there is hardly any partisan activity in Ukrainian areas (where in particular areas the population is allegedly staunchly pro Russia), but saboteurs and pro Ukrainian informers and traitors run amok in both the new territories and 'old Russia' - judged by the never ending explosions and fires at delicate military sites, infrastructural works, production sites and chemical facilities (and now downing Russian aircraft on a whim).

Maybe it's time to start actually setting examples. Next saboteur/traitor that gets caught gets shot in all 4 limbs with the entire process videotaped for extra impact.

I certainly don't have to explain anything to a rodent at this point. You will probably see a few pics shortly and many others to follow.

sundoesntrise wrote:

Mir wrote:Apparently the first Leopard 2 has fallen near Soledar. It was first disabled by an AT mine and the destroyed with RPG's.

Pics or it didn't happen. At this point nobody is interested in feel good propaganda or phantom victories anymore.

What did happen on the other hand though is the downing of a Russian MI 8 chopper and Su34 fighter jet deep into Russian territory. It's just L after L at this point.

Also keep in mind that there is hardly any partisan activity in Ukrainian areas (where in particular areas the population is allegedly staunchly pro Russia), but saboteurs and pro Ukrainian informers and traitors run amok in both the new territories and 'old Russia' - judged by the never ending explosions and fires at delicate military sites, infrastructural works, production sites and chemical facilities (and now downing Russian aircraft on a whim).

Maybe it's time to start actually setting examples. Next saboteur/traitor that gets caught gets shot in all 4 limbs with the entire process videotaped for extra impact.

"At this point nobody is interested in feel good propaganda or phantom victories anymore."


You seem to love posting cheery Ukrainian propaganda. Glad you are now so cynical in this fog of war. Maybe you will be careful when you spew ukrainian propaganda from now on?

Nothing special about knocking out a leopard 2, particularly the older variant Ukrainians have. Rpg-7 would even disable it from portions of the side and back. Could you post your cringe elsewhere?

just woke up and telegram is filled with news about Two RuAF helicopters and Two planes (Su34 + Su35) shot down in the Bryansk region in just one day.

Can Russia declare WAR on Ukraine now and just exterminate everyone? How many redlines will Russia tolerate? Then declare WAR on NATO afterwards to teach every NATzO simpleton a lesson

According to updated data, two Mi-8s, one Su-35 and one Su-34 were shot down. Helicopter pilots and the Su-34 bomber pilots were killed. - Vladimir Rogov, a member of the main council of the military-civilian administration of the Zaporozhye Region

Russia needs to start carpet bombing everything in Ukraine. Start operation Extermination NOW! Create a gigantic humanitarian crisis in Ukraine and starve everyone to death! Give the Western Pigs a reminder that a War with Russia will result in catastrophic casualties for Russia's enemies. Do it Now.

Su-34 wreckage: https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1657340615850446849

Mi-8 getting hit over Bryansk: https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1657333125700018176

Mi-8 going down over Bryansk: https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1657331945259319299

Two Mi-8s destroyed, one Su-34, one Su-35.

When i said many moons ago it was a mistake to withdraw from border areas of ukronazistan and lose a significant buffer , i was laughed off here by gary and a few other sycophants, yet i am unfortunately proven to be right over and over again,  this smo is being run by a bunch of clowns who I wouldn’t trust with running a lemonade stand.

I will not call out the Russian government and MOD for this incident, it will be playing into the hands of NATzO. But I demand that Russia start mass extermination in Ukraine and give special attention to killing NATzO personnel inside Ukrop territory.

This is not good. War on Ukraine needs to be declared. All of Ukraine needs to be taken over. If all Ukrainian Pigs needs to be exterminated then let it be. At least the new territories of Russia will be made enriched with Ukrainian fertilizer. Kill everyone in Ukraine now!

PhSt wrote:This is not good. War on Ukraine needs to be declared. All of Ukraine needs to be taken over. If all Ukrainian Pigs needs to be exterminated then let it be. At least the new territories of Russia will be made enriched with Ukrainian fertilizer. Kill everyone in Ukraine now!

Easy online general. Russia will have more losses both of people and equipment, much more.

Years 2022 and 2023 will be in history books as one of the greatest geopolitical successes for the West since the Cold War ended.

The West made two eastern Slavic nations Ukraine and Russia kill each other by hundreds of thousands and weaken both by a significant decree.

Right now it is already clear that Russia will not win the war, and will not even capture the Donbass region. Slovyansk and Kramatorsk are out of reach and Russia has not even managed to capture the tiny Bakhmut after months of fierce battles. Latest news from Bakhmut is that Russia has again had to retreat and Ukraine has been gaining ground.

My conclusion is that Russia’s conventional army is unable to defeat Ukraine and Russia will not be using nukes either.

The war has exposed Russia’s military weakness for the whole world. And it has also exposed the weakness of its political leadership.

When the “SMO” officially started I remember how Lavrov gave a stern warning to outside powers who would try to help Ukraine in any way. He said Russia would respond in a very serious matter. Lavrov’s words have since been proven to be an empty threat. The West has armed Ukraine to hit Russian targets both in Ukraine AND in Russia. The latest example is from today where Ukraine downed Russian military jets and helicopters in Bryansk (Russia). And yesterday Ukraine hit Lugansk (now officially part of Russia) with British long range missiles.

Russia’s failure to enforce its red lines will lead to even bigger and more serious escalations from the West. As long as the West thinks that Russia is unwilling or unable to retaliate they will keep arming Ukraine with more potent weapons in the future. And right now – if you ask me – the West may be just right that in its thinking. Russia will not retaliate no matter how big the escalation is.

Its easy to say that Russia should get rid of Putin. Yes, Putin is totally useless. But what would change if Putin was replaced by someone like Lavrov? Or by someone from a more nationalist background? If the problem is total incompetency from top to botton and lack of capacity then the face of the leader does not matter much.

Of course Putin should take lots of the blame though. He has been leading Russia for the last 23 years. He has had time to build Russia and its military. The oil price was high long enough to build a potent military. Too big a portion of that money was used for oligarch yachts and collected in Western banks instead actually using it in real assets inside Russia.

Mir wrote:I certainly don't have to explain anything to a rodent at this point. You will probably see a few pics shortly and many others to follow.

Keep on coping and seething. Your takes are like Russia's moves in Ukraine at this point. Faltering and without any real weight.

TMA1 wrote:

"At this point nobody is interested in feel good propaganda or phantom victories anymore."


You seem to love posting cheery Ukrainian propaganda. Glad you are now so cynical in this fog of war. Maybe you will be careful when you spew ukrainian propaganda from now on?

Nothing special about knocking out a leopard 2, particularly the older variant Ukrainians have. Rpg-7 would even disable it from portions of the side and back. Could you post your cringe elsewhere?

Nobody mentioned a Leo 2 in the original Russian post circulating the TG channels. Pro bono propagandist 'Mir' just added the 2 to the Leopard designation in order to make the (fake) 'news' a bit more juicy.

Kremlin has been boasting and puffing about destroying Western MBTs for months. If you're so confident where is the visual proof? Or is this the next example of phantom victories akin to imaginary HIMARS destruction?

This whole SMO is turning into a disaster. Better run some damagecontrol before people start asking questions!

Mighty big assumptions made with little actual understanding. There are reasons why Russia does not want to declare war. And calling victory for the west and Russia failing is very premature. Dont know if it would be wise to write panegyrics for neocon/neolib elites just yet.

With a desolated but ideologically extreme opponent like this, guided by western Intel and weapons, you will see losses like this occur. Thr key is for Russian MOD to learn from these events.

Now why the politicians do not wish to declare war, I have my guesses but that is it. What decisions must be made is not clear as I have no access to classified data and I do not know the plans of the ruskies. The west sure is amplifying ahit and seem to want Russia to declare war. Is it in hopes of regime change? This seems insane to me. Anyone supporting regime change in Russia are essentially traitors to their country and serving our beloved neocon/neolib overlords here in the west. Maybe the west thinks mobilization would stir up opposition in Russia?

I do not think so. I think Russians have seen quite enough and realize the west wants Russia defanged and split apart at worst or given some puppet to slave under at the very best. So if mobilization did happen I think the population would largely do their duty. Also the talk of red lines is something long part now. Anyone discussing them here on this forum are out of touch. We are in unknown territory. Shit is getting strange. Most concerning is I have even heard western pundits and insiders boldly say Russians would never use nukes.

Guess we are at the stage where our dear overlords are playing nuclear chicken with Russia? Sounds like a great idea.

Clearly this operation to bring down the aircraft from within Russian territory has been prepared for a while.

Judging by the quick succession of events it may be that they smuggled MANPADs to near an airbase and then started downing aircraft from several locations.

This sort of thing can happen. But it's also a one-off. Same as any well-prepared terrorist attack for example.

The biggest loss are the pilots themselves. 4 of them so far if I understood the reports correctly. Hope they rewrite the security procedures to prevent something like this happening again.

Judging by the simultaneous use of the Storm Shadows, the doomerism yesterday in the Russian telegram space and the panic-mongering over the invincible Ukro cyborgs with their hundreds of advancing tanks, and now all the NATO trolls crawling out of the woodwork today on YouTube and this forum too - it looks like the start of the Ukrainian counter-offensive, or some kind of psychological operation just prior to it. I have even seen neutral YouTube channels shoving out anti-Russian content today, as if they were hacked.

Retreating from territory, including in Bakhmut, to lure the enemy into killzones or to place them for subsequent envelopment - would not be indicative of any kind of Russian defeat or incompetence or whatever; I do hope that the MoD's planners and commanders do not shy away from using this tactic.

On the whole I rate the NATO operation an A for effort but overall an F for futility. It's one thing to panic doomers who are feeding of sensationalism and the housewives who subscribe to their newsfeeds, it's quite another to panic the Russian leadership or its military command and goad them into making mistakes. I severely doubt any such thing will happen.

sundoesntrise wrote:

TMA1 wrote:

"At this point nobody is interested in feel good propaganda or phantom victories anymore."


You seem to love posting cheery Ukrainian propaganda. Glad you are now so cynical in this fog of war. Maybe you will be careful when you spew ukrainian propaganda from now on?

Nothing special about knocking out a leopard 2, particularly the older variant Ukrainians have. Rpg-7 would even disable it from portions of the side and back. Could you post your cringe elsewhere?

Nobody mentioned a Leo 2 in the original Russian post circulating the TG channels. Pro bono propagandist 'Mir' just added the 2 to the Leopard designation in order to make the (fake) 'news' a bit more juicy.

Kremlin has been boasting and puffing about destroying Western MBTs for months. If you're so confident where is the visual proof? Or is this the next example of phantom victories akin to imaginary HIMARS destruction?

This whole SMO is turning into a disaster. Better run some damagecontrol before people start asking questions!

Have not heard much puffing or boasting. That seems to come from our side as of late. Russians are rather quiet lately. It kind of feels like that psychology where two men are in a fight, one is beating his chest and trying to intimidate while the other is quiet. This could mean a few things. Ether the quiet one is indeed intimidated, or he is ready to snap thr opponents neck in wrath. On the other hand maybe the boastful opponent is boasting because he is afraid. Maybe he is boasting because he is winning.

I am telling you we dont have the data at the moment to say anything really. Dont know why this seems like cope to you. Maybe you are deluded by ideology? Maybe this war is very personal to you? For me it isnt. For me I just think Russia is in the right and I am very concerned for what is in store for all of us in the future. Ultimately though I do hope our neocon/neolib overlords are voted out of office and the bureaucrats fired. Thry have shown themselves to be unamerican, out of touch, rootless cosmopolitan fucks who need a few punches to their faces. Some just need to be arrested.