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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #44

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:32 pm

    Could a directional jamming system like Murmansk BN, or many Krasukha-4 stationed along the Belarus border provide a blanket against NATO AWACS which are searching for VKS flight paths to pass on to Ukrainian air defense?

    What about jamming systems placed in Kaliningrad and Transnistria?

    This could solve the problem of tracking of VKS

    Couple it with TU214R tracking the emissions of systems on the ground, and a good picture will appear of where Ukrainian AD is stationed and minimize the risk to friendly planes

    This is with regard to the ambush of the Su34 , Su35, Mi8 jammer , and Mi8 rescue over Bryansk a month ago

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    Post  Podlodka77 Tue Jun 13, 2023 4:04 pm



    June 13, 15:59,
    updated June 13, 16:02
    Putin: losses of the Russian Federation in repelling the counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are 10 times less than Ukrainian

    Losses of the Russian military in repelling the counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are 10 times less than the Ukrainian ones - Putin.

    The President noted that the Russian Federation lost 54 tanks while repulsing the Ukrainian counteroffensive, some of them are subject to restoration.

    The proportion between the dead and the wounded in the structure of losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine during the counteroffensive is 50/50, the Russian leader added.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/17996851


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    Post  mnztr Tue Jun 13, 2023 4:10 pm

    Surprising that Russia had so many tank losses. That is almost 2x that of Ukraine. I guess they used more armor then men to defend.
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    Post  mnztr Tue Jun 13, 2023 4:14 pm

    walle83 wrote:


    Its been several videos with 30 mm shells stopping russian tanks. The ERA dont cover the whole tank, specially not in the rear.

    The Ukrainen tank and ifv looses is mostly to mines and artillery by the looks of it. They Russian dont dare attacking with thier own it seems.

    Unless you are a complete fool, you will always seek to kill tanks at the maximum range before they can use effective direct fire on you. Engaging tanks with tanks is the last resort really. 1. Artillery, 2 mines, 3. ATGM squads 4 Tanks .

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    Post  dionis Tue Jun 13, 2023 4:21 pm

    mnztr wrote:Surprising that Russia had so many tank losses. That is almost 2x that of Ukraine. I guess they used more armor then men to defend.

    Are you quoting Putin?

    If so, did he actually mean TANKS, or "tanks" - aka APCs, IFVs, lord knows what else, etc.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Tue Jun 13, 2023 4:29 pm

    No mistake in translation....
    updated....

    June 13, 15:59,
    updated June 13, 16:23
    Putin said that the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are 10 times higher than the Russian ones

    MOSCOW, 13 June. /TASS/. Losses among the Russian military are 10 times less than the Ukrainian ones conducting a counteroffensive, Russian President Vladimir Putin said.

    At a meeting with war correspondents, the head of state stated that the Armed Forces of Ukraine (APU) had "an unfavorable loss structure." “Of all the losses, and they are approaching an assessment that can be called catastrophic in terms of personnel, their structure of these losses is unfavorable for them, because the losses can be sanitary, or they can be irretrievable. Usually irretrievable losses are 25 percent, maximum 30. there are almost 50 to 50 of them," Putin explained.

    According to him, "it is clear that the defending side suffers fewer losses." "But still, this ratio is 1 to 10, as they say, in our favor - we have 10 times less losses than in the Armed Forces of Ukraine," the president stressed.

    The President noted that the Russian Federation lost 54 tanks while repulsing the Ukrainian counteroffensive, some of them are subject to restoration.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/17996851


    I wouldn't be surprised if Putin is now trolling like Prigozhin....


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    Post  Hole Tue Jun 13, 2023 4:37 pm

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    Post  Podlodka77 Tue Jun 13, 2023 4:47 pm

    TASS again rewrote the text and 54 tanks are not mentioned.
    Someone screwed up the news and didn't publish something properly in the newsroom, it seems..  Very Happy

    June 13, 15:59,
    updated June 13, 16:23
    Putin said that the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are 10 times higher than the Russian ones


    MOSCOW, 13 June. /TASS/. Losses among the Russian military are 10 times less than the Ukrainian ones conducting a counteroffensive, Russian President Vladimir Putin said.

    At a meeting with war correspondents, the head of state stated that the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) had "an unfavorable loss structure." “Of all the losses, and they are approaching an assessment that can be called catastrophic in terms of personnel, their structure of these losses is unfavorable for them, because the losses can be sanitary, or they can be irretrievable. Usually irretrievable losses are 25 percent, maximum 30. there are almost 50 to 50 of them," Putin explained.

    According to him, "it is clear that the defending side suffers fewer losses." "But still, this ratio is 1 to 10, as they say, in our favor - we have 10 times less losses than in the Armed Forces of Ukraine," the president stressed.




    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/17996851




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    June 13, 16:47
    Putin: Russia will adjust its defense industry so that the Russian army is the best in the world

    Russia will adjust its defense industry so that the Russian army is the best in the world, without the SMO this would not have happened - Putin.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/17997865


    June 13, 16:43
    Putin: the fighting confirmed that the T90 "Breakthrough" is the best tank in the world

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/17997765


    June 13, 16:42
    Putin: Russia still lacks drones quantitatively
    Russia still lacks drones quantitatively, but the available RF Armed Forces are used more effectively than the enemy, Putin said.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/17997739




    June 13, 16:35,
    updated June 13, 16:45
    Putin said there is no need for new mobilization today

    MOSCOW, 13 June. /TASS/. Russia does not currently have a need for additional mobilization. This was announced on Tuesday by Russian President Vladimir Putin.
    "The Ministry of Defense reports that, of course, there is no need for mobilization today," Putin said at a meeting with war correspondents.


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    June 13, 16:54
    Putin said that the SMO revealed ineffective "parquet" generals in the RF Armed Forces

    SMO revealed ineffective "parquet" generals in the RF Armed Forces, but brought effective people out of the shadow - Putin

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/17998013

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    Post  Mir Tue Jun 13, 2023 5:32 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:And while Gunshipdemocarcy is wondering where Walle83 is, I'm wondering where that Nazi-loving asshole MR HD is...
    No pardon for the bastards who support the nazi blue-yellow vermin on this forum, no..

    You will only hear from him when 404 gained another 100 meters Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  Hole Tue Jun 13, 2023 5:38 pm

    Look from the cockpit:
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    Post  franco Tue Jun 13, 2023 5:54 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:TASS again rewrote the text and 54 tanks are not mentioned.
    Someone screwed up the news and didn't publish something properly in the newsroom, it seems..  Very Happy

    From another media source at the media conference...

    "Russia suffers 10 times less losses than Ukraine," the head of state said.

    He stressed that the Armed Forces of Ukraine during the counteroffensive, which has been going on since June 4, have an "unfavorable situation" with losses and "they are approaching catastrophic." In particular, Putin pointed out that in terms of personnel, the Ukrainian troops have 50-50 irretrievable losses, unlike Russia.

    At the same time, the President noted that the loss of personnel of the Russian Armed Forces should be announced by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. He also said that during the counteroffensive, Russian forces lost 54 tanks, some of which are subject to restoration. Losses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces during the same period amounted to more than 160 tanks and 25-30% of equipment supplied by the West.

    https://translated.turbopages.org/proxy_u/ru-en.en.3e1c1a3e-64888f58-cd4551f6-74722d776562/https/iz.ru/1527696/2023-06-13/putin-sravnil-poteri-ukrainy-i-rossii-v-khode-kontrnastupleniia-vsu

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    Post  franco Tue Jun 13, 2023 6:00 pm

    mnztr wrote:Surprising that Russia had so many tank losses. That is almost 2x that of Ukraine. I guess they used more armor then men to defend.

    See previous post from myself. A point that needs saying here is that the Russians are multiple times able to recover and field repair their damaged or broken equipment on the battle field let alone all their repair factories operating inside Russia. Would actually be interesting to see those stats someday, meanwhile Ukraine has to send whatever they can recover to Slovakia or Poland for repairs.

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    Post  higurashihougi Tue Jun 13, 2023 6:01 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:TASS again rewrote the text and 54 tanks are not mentioned.
    Someone screwed up the news and didn't publish something properly in the newsroom, it seems..  Very Happy

    Really ? At the time I am writing this post now the number 54 is still there. (Президент отметил, что Россия, отражая украинское контрнаступление, потеряла 54 танка, но часть из них будет восстановлена. "У них танков свыше 160, у нас - 54, часть из них подлежит восстановлению и ремонту", - сказал глава государства на встрече с военными корреспондентами.)

    Do I overlook something important ?

    dionis wrote:Are you quoting Putin? If so, did he actually mean TANKS, or "tanks" - aka APCs, IFVs, lord knows what else, etc.

    According to Google Translation of the TASS article it seems like Putin really meant Russia lost 54 tanks (not 54 tanks and AFV), and he also mentioned that Maidan regime lost about 160 tanks.

    The English article of RT "Ukraine has lost hundreds of pieces of Western-supplied hardware – Putin" wrote that Putin made a clear distinction between tanks and AFV when he mentioned the losses of Maidan forces (However, the offensive has led to massive losses in personnel and materiel for Kiev, Putin stated. Ukraine has lost “at least 160 tanks and 360 armored vehicles,” ). So I think he also did the same thing for Russian losses.

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    Post  kvs Tue Jun 13, 2023 6:11 pm

    The losses need to be characterized, otherwise the comparison in numbers is meaningless. How many tank crews do the Ukr forces lose compared
    to Russian tank crews.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue Jun 13, 2023 6:15 pm

    🇷🇺The goals of the special operation are changing in accordance with the current situation, but in general they remain the same, Putin said at a meeting with military commanders

    @DDgeopolitics

    I think this is the beginning of a new policy , where the doves have been displaced by the CATO group

    Ukraine est delenda - Ukraine must be destroyed

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    Post  Hole Tue Jun 13, 2023 6:19 pm

    Keep in mind that this article was written by presstitutes. Most likely "Tanks" doesn´t mean MBTs but armored vehicles of all kinds, down to Tigr-M.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Jun 13, 2023 6:31 pm

    Are you reinventing the wheel or something? He said tanks. I guess he does speak Russian and know the difference 🤣
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    Post  ALAMO Tue Jun 13, 2023 6:49 pm

    Hole wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #44 - Page 20 Scree732
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    A funny tought.
    It is a light infantry unit, assigned formally to Rosgvardia, and local authorities level voluntary units in some cases.
    Oh yeah, Toyota pickups of the Ukroisis will handle that Laughing and heavy mechanized/armored regular Russian army units even more than that Laughing Laughing Laughing
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    Post  mr_hd Tue Jun 13, 2023 7:05 pm

    Putin needs to talk about overall Russian losses. Whatever he says about Ukrainian once is propaganda per default, the same is valid for Ukrainian side. Contrary what Russia/Putin are claiming Ukraine did take 90 square km and 7 small settlements. However no real breakthrough was done yet, it still shaping and probing phase. Russia claims already that stopped offensive twice... which is of course nonsense. They did not mention general Sergei Goryachev that is supposed to be killed. List of russian generals that are killed but not confirmed is now 11. 4 are officially killed on top of that. Ukraine promised it will be not kind to aggressor and is delivering. For offensive it is still unclear would it fail or succeed, it will take few more weeks for that.


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    Post  JohninMK Tue Jun 13, 2023 7:06 pm

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    Post  Podlodka77 Tue Jun 13, 2023 7:28 pm

    The Nazi scumbag MR HD spoke up... Very Happy
    His words "Ukraine promised it will be not kind to aggressor and is delivering"..

    Sorry Franco
    Sorry ALAMO...

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue Jun 13, 2023 7:37 pm

    Putin already said 400 Ukrainian vehicles lost

    "The enemy was not successful in any of the directions. They have heavy losses," Putin said during a meeting with military correspondents.
    The president mentioned that the Ukrainian military is currently attacking at the Shakhtyorsk and Vremevka directions “but fail to reach the front line.” In total, Ukraine is attacking from four directions, Putin added.

    "This is a large-scale counteroffensive using, as I said quite recently publicly, reserves prepared for these purposes. It has been going on since [June] 4, and continues to this day, right now," Putin said.

    The president also noted that the Ukrainian forces "lost more than 160 tanks [during their counteroffensive], while we lost 54. Some of them can be recovered and repaired."

    "According to my calculations, this is about 25% or maybe 30% of the volume of the equipment that was delivered from abroad, that is about it. It seems to me that if they objectively calculate them, they will agree with this number, but as far as I have seen from open sources, Western sources, that is almost what they say, I think. So the offensive is underway, and the results today are what I just said," Putin told military correspondents
    Ukraine lost 160 tanks and 360 armored vehicles during the counteroffensive, and this is only what Moscow sees, the president added.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Tue Jun 13, 2023 7:41 pm

    June 13, 17:36,
    updated June 13, 19:31
    Military operation in Ukraine
    Putin: Ukraine should not exist at the expense of the Russian Federation and in the historical Russian territories
    The Russian leader stressed that the existence of Ukraine must be treated with respect, adding that this is no reason to disrespect Russia

    MOSCOW, 13 June. /TASS/. Ukraine should not exist at the expense of Russia and in the historical Russian territories, if normal relations are not built, Russian President Vladimir Putin said at a meeting with military commanders.

    "As for Ukraine, whatever it is, it exists, and we must treat it with respect, but this does not mean that this is a reason to treat us without respect. That's what we are talking about. If some part of the people, living in these territories, believe that they want to live in a separate independent state, then we must treat this with respect. But why should they live at our expense in our historical territories? If they want to live in our historical territories, then you need to influence on their political leadership in such a way as to build normal relations with Russia, so that no one from these territories threatens us. This is the problem," he said.

    At the same time, Putin cited his disputes with the head of Belarus, Alexander Lukashenko, as an example. "How many times we argued with Belarus, we argued with Lukashenko, there were many questions. It is clear, because the president of the country, in this case Belarus, protects his interests, as he sees fit - consistently and harshly. We had disputes, but did it even occur to anyone to start a conflict with Belarus? It never even occurred to anyone to start such conflicts with Ukraine if we had normal human relations. But they made "anti-Russia" as the basis of their own existence and began to strengthen it. This is a problem," the president said.

    https://tass.ru/politika/17998503



    June 13, 17:28,
    updated June 13, 19:27
    Putin: Bradley armored vehicles and Leopard tanks "burn beautifully" as expected

    At the same time, the president noted that Russian forces are destroying not only equipment from NATO countries, but also that which was produced back in the USSR

    MOSCOW, 13 June. /TASS/. Bradley infantry fighting vehicles (IFVs) and Leopard tanks "burn beautifully" as expected. This was announced on Tuesday by Russian President Vladimir Putin at a meeting with military correspondents.

    “They burn beautifully, as we expected. Both Bradley and Leopard, yes,” the head of state said. “The ammunition inside the tanks works there, everything scatters in different directions.”

    At the same time, Putin noted that Russian forces are destroying not only equipment from NATO countries, but also that which was produced back in the USSR. "I said - 25-30% of the supplied equipment has been destroyed,"
    he specified.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/17998745

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    Post  ucmvulcan Tue Jun 13, 2023 8:08 pm

    mr_hd wrote:Putin needs to talk about overall Russian losses. Whatever he says about Ukrainian once is propaganda per default, the same is valid for Ukrainian side. Contrary what Russia/Putin are claiming Ukraine did take 90 square km and 7 small settlements. However no real breakthrough was done yet, it still shaping and probing phase. Russia claims already that stopped offensive twice... which is of course nonsense. They did not mention general Sergei Goryachev that is supposed to be killed. List of russian generals that are killed but not confirmed is now 11. 4 are officially killed on top of that. Ukraine promised it will be not kind to aggressor and is delivering. For offensive it is still unclear would it fail or succeed, it will take few more weeks for that.

    Are you just a dumbass or do you get paid to be?

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