Russian special military operation in Ukraine #44

AMX-10RC turned out to be not a tank - the battles in the South Donetsk direction proved that there was more propaganda in French military assistance

The French tried to “mark themselves” by participating in helping, while not sending serious armored vehicles to Ukraine. As a result, an extremely elegant decision was made: the "natives" were sent a "tank for the natives" - a wheeled cannon armored personnel carrier which is quite acceptable to drive the rebels, but in a collision with a serious enemy it can no longer cope. In the course of attempts to counter-offensive in the South-Donetsk direction, the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine became convinced of this truth.

The Washington Post, citing a soldier of the Armed Forces of Ukraine who survived the counteroffensive, spoke about one of the combat episodes in which French combat vehicles took part. During the assault operations, out of 50 personnel, the enemy immediately lost 30 dead and missing, and the "wheeled tanks" themselves did not live up to expectations.

It suddenly turned out that it wasn’t enough to hang a sign “Tank” on an armored personnel carrier - the armor does not become stronger from this. AMX-10RC did not even protect against fragments of artillery shells. In total, this enemy unit lost five armored vehicles in that attack, but specific models are not disclosed. In addition to the "cardboard" tanks, the enemy complains about the untrained personnel and the lack of artillery support.

At the same time, even in an interview with the American media, the Ukrainian soldier does not try to give out "hunting stories" about hundreds of Russians killed by him. His unit was destroyed before even reaching the positions of the RF Armed Forces.

As a result, the enemy suffered heavy losses solely to occupy the “gray zone” not even in front of the main line of defense, but in the foreground away from the main Russian fortifications. At this rate, the enemy runs the risk of "wearing off" his mechanized brigades very quickly.

@Slavyangrad

Sprut-B wrote:"The sanitary zone in Ukraine for the protection of the Russian Federation should pass through Lvov" - Medvedev

https://t.me/vicktop55/15560

Well, so I wasn’t crazy when I talked about it. But Lvov is just medvedism. Putin mention sanitation zone, but didn’t say anything about Lvov or how big it could be

Today's laugh

The reserves of the Russian army launched a counterattack, were able to push back the Armed Forces of Ukraine and level the front line on part of the Vremevsky salient

The reserves of the Russian troops transferred to Staromlinovka launched a counteroffensive and were able to push back the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, leveling the front line from the village of Urozhaynoye to the village of Novodonetskoye, the Ukrainian military admits in the report.

Fighting continues in the Urozhaynoye area, part of this area has been in the gray zone for several days.

After the introduction of reinforcements of the RF Armed Forces, it was possible to stabilize the situation on this - the hottest sector of the front, the Ukrainian troops were unable to advance for the second day.

The command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is regrouping and pulling up reserves to strengthen offensive operations.

Russian troops, meanwhile, are setting up new minefields and, in the meantime, are terrifying Ukrainians with long-range weapons, including air-based ones.

Slavyangrad

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Interesting concept of " sanitation zone , " both spoken about at the highest level , this should be in Lvov ? Of course this means effectively no Ukrs fighting forces left in Western Ukraine . And that means certainly a strong and long term Russian presence in the West for a long time , perhaps permanent . And this means crossing the Deniper with lots of equipment . And this means crossing with pontoons , since Bridges will be long gone . And this means a very long war of more than two to five years ! And this means no more Orcs in Ukraine , certainly no armed Orcs in power .

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It was reported that Ukraine took out 5 RF artillery in that area in a very short time.
Some say HIMARS were used for that job.
Fair to say that the 1st attacks waves were indeed used to figure out the support units in the rear.

I would say, the accuracy is a bit too high, and the time gap is a bit too long for MLRS shoots.
Bet on some kind of corrective artillery rounds, with laser guidance - the question is what illuminated those targets so far away.
Anyway, it is only my thougt.

Some on UA say it is Excalibur. Kinda looks similar. Big loss. 5 hits-  2 catastrophic kills, not sure about rest, could be damaged. It seems it will be shoot and scoot game. Unfortunately we don’t have any recent CB footage from RU, only lancets. RuMoF is sitting on footage

ALAMO wrote:I would say, the accuracy is a bit too high, and the time gap is a bit too long for MLRS shoots.
Bet on some kind of corrective artillery rounds, with laser guidance - the question is what illuminated those targets so far away.
Anyway, it is only my thougt.

Interesting pattern around explosion. Airburst fragmentation? As you say, if Excalibur how guided?

No unit ID markers visible whatsoever. Ukraine passing off its own losses as Russian ones once more.

JohninMK wrote:

Interesting pattern around explosion. Airburst fragmentation? As you say, if Excalibur how guided?

It is GPS, too.
But artillery rounds are in general more accurate than rockets, so it is either.
The burst pattern matches.

lyle6 wrote:No unit ID markers visible whatsoever. Ukraine passing off its own losses as Russian ones once more.

Right...

No the point of the first wave wasn't to locate the arty because the arty should have relocated afterwards if not the Russians where stupid


Ukraine is merely doing what it should have first, Hunt for the rear line unit's knock them out with missiles strikes then attack, this offensive and far from over

SeigSoloyvov wrote:No the point of the first wave wasn't to locate the arty because the arty should have relocated afterwards if not the Russians where stupid
Ukraine is merely doing what it should have first, Hunt for the rear line unit's knock them out with missiles strikes then attack, this offensive and far from over

You are far away from the point, so nothing unusual.
Let me give you a hint.
Five taken out MSTAs are done in the last TWO WEEKS.
So the guy who comments has a clue on equal with yours.

Yes, Ukrs have used cannon fodder to expose covering artillery positions.
Settled some traps, with antibattery fire radars that survived.
And killed five MSTA in two weeks using precision guided rounds like Excalibure.
Some other artillery, too for sure, yet only those were tasty enough even to mention.
At least one Grad was taken out by HIMARS, the explosion is much bigger than in MSTAs case, and the precision is lower - obvious hints.
It is just a regular punch exchange, where Russkie cheat from the beginning - inflict a factor more damage, and have 20 times more stuff.
Last but not least, i two weeks there are more than five fresh new MSTAs out of the factory.

Today's briefing and some analysis

https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2023/06/14/observaciones-sobre-la-ofensiva-en-el-sur-5/

Worth putting here methinks. From MoA

So now, via RT, we even have Putin saying that there were no explosions on June 6; that the damn break was caused by a combination of Ukraine's previous HIMARS strikes plus the pressure release of upstream water.
Posted by: The Dolphin | Jun 13 2023 22:10 utc | 271
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That was my first impression, but I do not know what to make of the Romanian seismic signal.

The turbine hall is a large open space situated within the dam structure at a level below the water impounded in the reservoir and slightly above the run-of-river outlet below the dam.

Images of the collapsed dam clearly show the structure containing the turbine hall to be canted over and listing at a severe angle.

The prior Ukraine HIMARS strike destroyed the top of dam roadway at the point it curved around the turbine hall structure. This means the HIMARS strike impacted near the southwest corner of the turbine hall.

The RF removed its troops and evacuated both civilians and equipment from the west bank out of concern for a loss of the ability to maintain supply. At the time this evacuation was understood to be due to concerns over the loss of the bridge upstream of the dam. This bridge had also been a target of HIMARS strikes.

It is possible the HIMARS strike on the turbine hall resulted in damage to the foundation of the turbine hall. Knowledge of this damage and the possible future failure of the structure may have been the reason for the RF evacuation of the west bank.

Knowledge of this weakness in the dam structure may have reached the UkroReich who then opened the upstream dams to increase the height of the reservoir and thereby increase the pressure on the damaged structure.

At some point the dam structure (of the walls of the turbine hall which form part of the dam structure) underwent catastrophic failure. This failure would have resulted in a sudden flood of water into the open space of the turbine hall structure. When this flood of water impinged on the downstream wall it canted the turbine hall structure and caused it to assume the position seen in images of the failed dam.

In hydraulics this form of impact is known as "water hammer." You can experience this shock effect in minor form when you shut a garden hose in full flow. You can destroy household plumbing due to water hammer effects.

A similar effect is noted in the sinking of large ships. As they go down the increasing water pressure collapses internal bulkheads and there follows an explosive gunshot type of sound as the water flood enters the empty compartment.

The impact of the associated collapse may have resulted in water hammer effects which were noted by a seismic array in Romania and it was these water hammer effects, not an explosion, that initiated the failure of the entire dam.

The UkroReich bears responsibility as the "water control system" on the Dnieper is exactly that. The water control mechanisms are designed to operate in concert with one another to safely regulate river flow. The UkroReich acted with deliberate intent to increase this water flow above the capacity of the downstream structures.

Posted by: Sushi | Jun 14 2023 14:49 utc | 431

Errr mah gaw, the Ukes took out an artillery battery (a commemorative stamp worthy achievement if there ever was one). Yeah, there's a difference between saying the Russians have got to tighten some things up and learn from this and the fatalistic doom that so many here display. Its war, in war, equipment gets damaged or destroyed and most tragically of all, young people get killed and no matter how hard you try to avoid it civilians get injured and killed too. However, when in your offensive you are losing 10 times as many troops as the guys you are attacking, and all your brand new NATO wonderwaffles are being quickly reduced to burned char and your best counterstroke is some grainy footage on twitter of a Russian artillery battery and your boys have not even advanced to the Russian defensive lines and all your attacks are not able to hold any settlement, village, farm, or town they gained at the great loss of men and material then what have you won? NOTHING, absolutely nothing. The artillery battery being lost is like the snake island defenders, the video game combat footage of the ghost of chicken kiev, the sinking of an old rust bucket that was on its way to the scrapyard anyway, the blowing up of a bridge that was up and running again by that evening, pathetic drone attacks on Moscow, the shooting of a border checkpoint and all the other glorious Ukrainian successes. Let me say this, if this offensive is a Ukrainian victory then its the most catastrophic victory since Heraclea and Asculum.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:No the point of the first wave wasn't to locate the arty because the arty should have relocated afterwards if not the Russians where stupid


Ukraine is merely doing what it should have first, Hunt for the rear line unit's knock them out with missiles strikes then attack, this offensive and far from over

A target doesn't hunt the hunter...

Lucky shots after months of operating those systems. Reality is that russians are getting very experienced at hunting ukro artillery systems. More and more videos of ukro systems destroyed.

And they don't need those expensive Excalibur rounds, Lancet does the job much better.


I would also add that Russia loves dummy targets. Those Msta didn't explode so either they were empty or just fake ones. You just need to see how they are positionned, in the open waiting to be seen with no prints on the ground telling us they are moving around.

Hundreds of western citizens had the same idea... with the same words...

To HOLE.....

How few reasonable people there are in Europe can be seen on this forum, barely a few dozen people, and a good part of them are not active at all.
Although it is not without reason and I do not hesitate to write that hatred towards Russia is already rooted in the West. IT IS !
My brother from my oncle married a German woman and that cow used to say "how she hates the Russians because at one time the Russians raped over 2 million Germans".
They didn't teach her at school that her "wonderful" country Nazi Germany was in Drang nach Ost fur neues lebensraum and that they killed over 18 million civilians in that campaign...
It speaks volumes for Germany whose people OBVIOUSLY feel no guilt for what their countrymen did in WW2.
On the contrary, the Russians are to blame for the rape of the Germans after the capture of Berlin.

Z !!!

Hole wrote:
Hundreds of western citizens had the same idea... with the same words...

"If everyone is thinking alike, somebody isn't thinking"
~George Patton

Well that and Ukraine has a vast propaganda army utilitizing dupes, dumbasses, paid celebrities, and divisions of bots.  Yeah, they have the Hollyweird establishment and 5th Ave marketing firms writing their war propaganda and big tech banning blokes like me from twitter from point blank asking why can't our next aid consignment including a shave, shower, and shit kit, and suit and tie so Zelensky and co don't look like a bunch of vagrants?"  When asked what Twitter rule I violated I was told I was harrassing people.  Really? Elensky is a taxpayer funded property, not some little uke having to distill his own piss into vodka.

Podlodka77 wrote:
My brother from my oncle married a German woman and that cow used to say "how she hates the Russians because at one time the Russians raped over 2 million Germans".

And that is a great example of how Anglosaxon propaganda works.
Because the Soviets indeed raped tons of German women.
But they were not much better than the French - especially colonial troops located in the Stuttgart area.
There are multiple reports from British bodies.
Hell, there is an insane abortion ratio registered in the Netherlands, involving German women.
Show me a single regular westernerner who has ever heard about.