Russian special military operation in Ukraine #44

kvs wrote:A huge number of the Kiev regime soldiers are ethnic Russians.   They have been brainwashed into thinking that they are Ukrainians.
But the ethno-nazionalists in Kiev do not want a country like the USA and Canada where the national identity is not based on a
particular ethnicity.   If Kiev governments had engaged in pragmatism and true sovereignty, then Ukraine would have been intact
and prospered.   But the worship of Stepan Bandera and the Nazis is just too strong.

And who can we thank for that ?
If it had been and remained a Russian nation state, Stepan Bandera would NEVER have happened..
Was the Russian Imperial Family Correct?
No, it's not, but the suite of inferior red rats that caused a catastrophe of epic proportions should NEVER have come to power. Russia should NEVER have stopped being a nation state and that is the BIGGEST tragedy of Russia..
With or without the Tsar, it doesn't matter, but not with the inferior garbage that did EVERYTHING to undo the millennial heritage of the Russian people..

And what is the consequence of all that except that on this forum even now we see some Russians suffering for the destruction of the heretical state that was their and only their grave....

ALL THIS IS THE FAULT OF LENIN AND HIS CHILD, THE SOVIET UNION.
The West took advantage of all this with the independence of Ukroshitsan, the creation of the Ukroshitsan Church, as well as the Ukroshitsan language. But most people think that it all started in 2014 - NO, IT DID NOT...

Podlodka77 wrote:To PAVI

Are the Russians to blame for that tragedy in Ukroshitstan or the West ?
The Russians are only to blame because they were fools and believed in "brotherhood" with the Nazis, who should be killed like rodents. Ukroshitstanians have been showing their hostility towards Russia for decades and I am FOR the Russians trampling them like rodents.
ANYONE who goes against the Russian army with a rifle or other weapon should be killed like a rodent - regardless of gender or age.

I'm not talking about whom to blame. In my point of view the blame is for west. What I try to say is that there is people dying for the cause of couple of banksters and this is the tragedy! Those ukrainians are similar people brainwashed as most people here in Finland. My biggest fear is, that we are next in the line. It has been a decade when we are brainwashed towards russian threat. My collegaus, relatives and etc. are very opposing everything from russia. When I say, this is maddness, I'm putin troll...

pavi wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

ALAMO wrote:...It is not an offensive, but a mass murder.

Nice

I really hope that people here grow adults. I've seen this mental state in Finland at opposite side, which disgusts me. I can't take it other way. Every cadualty have a mom and pap, relatives, friends, etc. This is fucking tragedy, not icehockey game.

 

Sure, but tell that to the people of Donbass who were shelled for 8 years, or the people of Odessa who were burned alive. How about the pro-Russia people in Kiev and Kupyansk who were rounded up and murdered by the SBU after Russian forces pulled out?  

Sorry, but I just don't care. This is a Nazi regime and it must be torn out by the fcking roots and every last goose-stepping Banderite criminal needs to be hunted down and brought to account.  There was no mercy shown to the 3rd Reich forces, nor to their supporters post-war, in neither the East or West (in fact denazification efforts were far more successful in the West as we were not constrained by stupid ideas like "brotherhood").  

If someone is stupid enought to put on a Ukropi uniform and carries a gun into combat to fight for this disgusting regime then they deserve their fate.

kvs wrote:A huge number of the Kiev regime soldiers are ethnic Russians.   They have been brainwashed into thinking that they are Ukrainians.
But the ethno-nazionalists in Kiev do not want a country like the USA and Canada where the national identity is not based on a
particular ethnicity.   If Kiev governments had engaged in pragmatism and true sovereignty, then Ukraine would have been intact
and prospered.   But the worship of Stepan Bandera and the Nazis is just too strong.

Understood, but boils need to be lanced and no-one sheds a tear for the pus that is expelled.  These "ethnic Russians" are no better than Russian 5th column liberal traitors and Navalny-ites, and I'd like nothing better than to see such scum mowed down with reckless abandon. Every nation has its fools and idiots, and Russia is best off without these people.  Forget trying to reclaim or redeem them. Just eliminate them and then get to work repopulating Malorossiya & Novorossiya with loyal people who won't forget who they are, or buy into fascist ideology and embrace self-hate.

I understand and agree with Pavi. I remember seeing a guy here post a Russian woman crying on a bus about her son missing in action and the guy said "Sorry, she should have stopped her son from fighting" and other asinine stuff. It's like Americans are oblivious to the history and geopolitics of this conflict and just support with fervor whoever neocons and their media goons tell them to support.

TMA1 wrote:I understand and agree with Pavi. I remember seeing a guy here post a Russian woman crying on a bus about her son missing in action and the guy said "Sorry, she should have stopped her son from fighting" and other asinine stuff. It's like Americans are oblivious to the history and geopolitics of this conflict and just support with fervor whoever neocons and their media goons tell them to support.

America is all about virtue signalling. You can't reason with most people in the US because they pride themselves that they read something. The problem, as Carlin observed, is that they are not taught to question what they read and that is by design. Those of us who question are called Russia Sympathizers, yeah I am a Russophile and always has been; Putin agents, I do my stuff pro bono; traitors, so Amendment 1 is not a thing? This intimidation is also by design. Most Americans are so sheltered and so oblivious to the rest of the world that they'd have at best a 1 in 10 shot of finding Russia on a map of the former USSR with 10 of the republics labeled. Yeah, as Mencken said, nobody has ever gone broke underestimating the stupidity of the American people. As Carlin said the average American is a dumbass so look at that guy and consider half the population is dumber than he is. If we were a Star Trek race we'd be Pakleds, a race who confused military power with intelligence. Its a sad state of reality but its by design.

I thought about this problem of extremist Nazi ideology in Ukraine again . Like Gunship Democracy and others have said , it is a deep problem , that needs the education of the population , especially the young , over many years . From my own experience , ideology is one of the most resilient structures , in the world . Not amenable to change easily . Those misguided in the world , not knowing the truth , will usually take these ideas to the grave . Eradicating by physical elimination , is a difficult task . This may not be achievable realistically speaking , for Russia in Ukraine . The best form this denazification can take , is the liberation of territory of Russian speakers .

Leaving a NAZI / NATO Western region , even with access to the Black Sea , is not desirable , but neither is it a Geo- strategic disaster for Russia or Iran . Since NATO can still have physical influence in the Black Sea , through proxies in Turkey , Romania or even exert influence in the Mediterranean Sea , without a step into BIack Sea , having similar effects , also think that as KVS said , the control of West Ukrs is not easy nor desirable , since poor in resources and hostile population , a burden for EU in future . The best solution that I think of , is partition along the Deniper River , with Odessa region joining the Russian territory , and as Hole said , Ukrs having access for ports for exports and paying Russia royalties for use .

Podlodka77 wrote:To ALAMO...
There is no greater humiliation for Western public than destroyed Western tanks.
And while the wreckage of downed F-16s or F-18s may hide when they appear above Ukroshitsan, everything here is clear as DAY.
What a humiliation, what a humiliation...
And WHERE is MR HD, a **** who is OPEN wrote that he supports Ukroshitstanians..?

It is so because of a whole construct of western Uebermanschen ideology.
It is being carried with use of some cultural anchores.
Mythical "they" taking one thing out of a context, and load it with all the propaganda they can handle.
Things must not be useful or effective, only look fancy and fine for a mass hysteria campaign to be unleashed.
And at the end of the road, we have what we have - every single hype rises and falls as soon as it ceased to burn.

To cover that, we have another construct created, which is making fun of the Russian nie imeyuschy analogov w mirie placed as a laughable argument. To make your opponents look stupid.
Well ... objectively speaking, this name can be applied to multiple Russian/Soviet weapon systems, because ... they simple don't have analogs worldwide. So the statement is principally right, only reduced to rubbish for propaganda purposes.

As the whole propaganda is targeting dumb majority, it works brilliant. People like to have shortcuts, and the concept of Wunderwaffe fits their needs.
Talking about combined arms warfare is boring, here you have a Wunderpanzer that will change the tide of the war. All 31 of them.

And not sure if you have noticed, but we have a shortage of any local vermins&bugs team, so I guess it must be the pesticide issue.

Rybar often panics.

To ALAMO

You know what bro, I think with this conflict in Ukroshitstan the greatest warrior in the last 30+ years is actually the T-72 tank.
By far the most used and proven combat platform with the Kalashnikov assault rifle.

* The echeloned Russian air defense system has no analogues in the world...
* Russian anti-ship missiles have no analogues in the world.
* It is my opinion that Russian helicopters also have no analogues in the world.
* Russian strategic Borei submarines are probably the best in the world and overall Russia has the youngest nuclear arsenal.
* I consider Russian anti-tank missiles the best in the world. The only ones that might be close to them are the Israeli Spikes...
* Hypersonic weapon. This is not even worth talking about because the only other country that has it is China..
* I also consider the 3M14 Kalibr and 9M729 Iskander-K cruise missiles to be the most combat-proven in the world because, unlike the BGM-109, they were used against far more sophisticated opponents.
* Like the T-34, the Russians have also created a revolutionary weapon system in this conflict in the form of the LANCET kamikaze drone.
* I consider the retention of a huge amount of armored vehicles after the collapse of the heretic state to be the smartest move by the Russian MOD.

* What is wrong in Russia is shipbuilding - complete SHITSHOW...
* As far as I'm concerned, Russia should give absolute priority to the 885M submarines..
* The greatest progress of aviation at the moment in the World is only in one thing - build a missile with the longest possible range that you will use beyond the range of the enemy's aviation and air defense systems. Today's planes remind me of those from the First World War, which fell very easily over the enemy's territory but were useful in mutual duels - plane against plane. If someone believes in stealth, I don't..
The biggest enemies of aviation are satellites and airports.
**** the air force...

Podlodka77 wrote:Today's planes remind me of those from the First World War, which fell very easily over the enemy's territory but were useful in mutual duels - plane against plane. If someone believes in stealth, I don't.. **** the air force...

The main reason why 404's armoured troops can't breach the Russian defenses is due to the fact that the Russians have a ****** air force

PS - most of the weapons you praised in your post dates from the "vermin" Soviet past

To MIR...

Yes, I know they come from the time of the red rats...
My opinion is that cruise missiles and hypersonic missiles, helicopters, as well as drones have achieved far more than the aviation you mention.
How much the importance of missile weapons has grown is enough to tell you that the most talked about Russian aircraft is the MiG-31K.

Podlodka77 wrote:To ALAMO
You know what bro, I think with this conflict in Ukroshitstan the greatest warrior in the last 30+ years is actually the T-72 tank.
By far the most used and proven combat platform with the Kalashnikov assault rifle.

Because that was a great tank from the very beginning.
Still to get a clear picture, you had to place it in a structure.
And that is what I'm trying to convince you about - there is no single Wunderwaffe.
885M is a great sub, but - again - taken out of a system it became a target. Nothing more.
It can carry sophisticated missiles in waste numbers, yet without satellite data collecting, transmitting and targeting - it would lost any of its privileges.
It is just great to have a satellite, but it is only a low orbit target that can be taken down at any moment if you don't have your own ASAT echelon. And industry capable to produce and store satellites replacements for a case of big scale warfare.
You can have that all, yet if a real shit will hit the fan - it ill turn out that you are strained to WWI like tactics. Because all your fancy satellite recon, GPS correction, real time battleground imaginary is being busy with burning falling down the atmosphere.

Now we can see the wide cadres of burning sophisticated NATO supplied weaponry, that is the best they have. Are those tanks and transporters crap? Surely those are not - but won't stand a chance with the power of Russian artillery. If Ukrs would have advanced AD means, those attacks would have been less suicidal. But they don't. Not because they have lacked them - they used to have more pieces of decent systems than a whole of Europe combined. But they don't have them anymore, as Russkie tore those apart.
Every single part of this system contributes to others.
What is scary, is a fact that Russkie have them all at the same time, while the whole NATO has only some of them, not all members, and hardly ever combined.
What we know now, is a fact that in the case of regular war in Europe, there is no effective air defense to cover NATO.
And Russkie have effective tools of overwhelming and destroy any desired target, at any distance within the European continent.
The NATO and EU members reaction thatis nothing else rather than stupidity, is being fueled by fear. Nothing else than fear.
They are shitting their pants down, and being taken hostage by it.

To ALAMO

Bro, I am aware that destroying the satellites would increase the importance and tenacity of aviation.
Radars on the ground and those on planes would then be the only reliable means of monitoring the enemy.
In today's warfare, satellites play the biggest role and I have already written about it before.
If the West had not provided global surveillance to the blue and yellow Nazi rats, this conflict would have been over long ago.
What you wrote about submarines is correct, but the LAST Russian class, on the construction of which the Russians must not save money, are the 885M submarines.

@Podlodka77

JohninMK wrote:In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, the following have been destroyed: 441 aircraft, 238 helicopters, 4,563 unmanned aerial vehicles, 424 anti-aircraft missile systems, 9,841 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 1,122 combat vehicles of multiple launch rocket systems, 5,071 field artillery and mortars, as well as 10856 units of special military vehicles.

The destruction of the enemy is mainly due to a combined arms effort (and yes drones played a major role), but a substantial number of these losses could be attributed to the VVS. This includes fighter jets, helicopters and strategic bombers.

To MIR....

The real "knights" of today's era are helicopter pilots. The Russians should build a monument to helicopters, especially the Ka-52.

An interesting comment on why radiation levels are raised. Not the right 'tell' for DU burning off.

EVGENIY EFREMOV
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Former US Army officer Stanislav Krapivnik, referring to the data of radiation monitoring, believes that tactical nuclear shells that the US supplied to Ukraine were detonated in Khmelnytskyi. He wrote about this in the electronic publication "Army Standard".

Not sure the significance of this.

Dances_with_Bears
@bears_with
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As Ukr NATO war losses mount & air battle opens tomorrow, Putin has released the General Staff to pursue the outcome on “territory” as west as there are “strategic reserves”

Podlodka77 wrote:

kvs wrote:A huge number of the Kiev regime soldiers are ethnic Russians.   They have been brainwashed into thinking that they are Ukrainians.
But the ethno-nazionalists in Kiev do not want a country like the USA and Canada where the national identity is not based on a
particular ethnicity.   If Kiev governments had engaged in pragmatism and true sovereignty, then Ukraine would have been intact
and prospered.   But the worship of Stepan Bandera and the Nazis is just too strong.

And who can we thank for that ?
If it had been and remained a Russian nation state, Stepan Bandera would NEVER have happened..
Was the Russian Imperial Family Correct?
No, it's not, but the suite of inferior red rats that caused a catastrophe of epic proportions should NEVER have come to power. Russia should NEVER have stopped being a nation state and that is the BIGGEST tragedy of Russia..
With or without the Tsar, it doesn't matter, but not with the inferior garbage that did EVERYTHING to undo the millennial heritage of the Russian people..

And what is the consequence of all that except that on this forum even now we see some Russians suffering for the destruction of the heretical state that was their and only their grave....

ALL THIS IS THE FAULT OF LENIN AND HIS CHILD, THE SOVIET UNION.
The West took advantage of all this with the independence of Ukroshitsan, the creation of the Ukroshitsan Church, as well as the Ukroshitsan language. But most people think that it all started in 2014 - NO, IT DID NOT...

If you had bothered to study history at least a little, you would have known that the Ukrainian nationalists decided to secede from Russia at least six months before the Bolsheviks overthrew the Provisional Government. So the appearance of the national republic of Ukraine has nothing to do with the Bolsheviks. They were confronted with the fact of the existence of nationalist movements and the loss of full control over the breakaway territories.

And the Soviet Union appeared only FIVE YEARS after these events.
FIVE. FUCKING. YEARS.
During which there was a bloody massacre for the right to control these territories. During which the Bolsheviks had to simultaneously fight off the military intervention of the Entente countries, White Guard terrorists, criminal gangs like the Basmachi in Central Asia, as well as against various nationalist groups.

JohninMK wrote:An interesting comment on why radiation levels are raised. Not the right 'tell' for DU burning off.

EVGENIY EFREMOV
@EVGENIY_RF
·
1h
Former US Army officer Stanislav Krapivnik, referring to the data of radiation monitoring, believes that tactical nuclear shells that the US supplied to Ukraine were detonated in Khmelnytskyi. He wrote about this in the electronic publication "Army Standard".

This is some completely moronic nonsense.
When destroying tactical nuclear weapons, a huge amount of radioactive isotopes would be registered, which are the products of the decay of weapons-grade plutonium, it would be quite clear that these are the results of the decay of combat radioactive materials used in atomic bombs.

Podlodka77 wrote:
And who can we thank for that ?
If it had been and remained a Russian nation state, Stepan Bandera would NEVER have happened..
Was the Russian Imperial Family Correct?
No, it's not, but the suite of inferior red rats that caused a catastrophe of epic proportions should NEVER have come to power. Russia should NEVER have stopped being a nation state and that is the BIGGEST tragedy of Russia..
With or without the Tsar, it doesn't matter, but not with the inferior garbage that did EVERYTHING to undo the millennial heritage of the Russian people..

And what is the consequence of all that except that on this forum even now we see some Russians suffering for the destruction of the heretical state that was their and only their grave....

ALL THIS IS THE FAULT OF LENIN AND HIS CHILD, THE SOVIET UNION.
The West took advantage of all this with the independence of Ukroshitsan, the creation of the Ukroshitsan Church, as well as the Ukroshitsan language. But most people think that it all started in 2014 - NO, IT DID NOT...

Actually, from what i remember reading, I believe that before WW1 even in Riga, Tallin and Vilnius there was no diffuse anti-russian sentiment.

Furthermore a lot of this absurdity in Ukraine came after Stalin's death. Stalin was far from ideal
But he had a much s lower negative effect than the rest of Soviet leaders.

And the antistalin campaign (together with his pro Ukrainian politics and decisions) made from ukro lover krushev was also one of the seeds of the problems that came later..

I am also curious to know if Beria was so bad as he was depicted from the krushev propaganda or not. Probably he (Beria) would have become a better leader than krushev and some of the present issueissues would have been less extreme without krushev's politics and his antistalin propaganda (which contributed a lot to the loss of thrust for the government from soviet citizens).

To SCORPIUS

Ukroshitstan nationalists were not the majority in their idea, right ?
Did the red Bolshevik ideology help them in everything I'm writing about - yes, and that's exactly the fact that you can't dispute..
The Bolsheviks did destroy the Russian national identity of Ukroshitstan, and since the creation of the USSR, many autochthonous Russians have become Ukroshitstanians. Do you want to deny that too?
It was then a majority Orthodox country under the full influence of the Russian Orthodox Church.

Those Nazi cattle from the Ukroshitstanian nationalists found other Bolshevik cattle who did everything to consolidate themselves in power.
If it weren't for the Bolsheviks, those Nazi cattle would not have achieved their goals.

Take me back to that period and I will KILL both of them with pleasure..

Three summaries of the fighting yesterday and overall situation,

https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2023/06/11/parte-de-guerra-11-06-2023-sumario/

https://rutube.ru/video/99bcea45b71b7cbf393b7f5907e07f40/