Russian special military operation in Ukraine #47

This is Duda's idea of Cheap?.

Duda is approaching Baerbock levels of stupidity. 
What he doesn´t get is that for the American "elites" a Polish life is as cheap as a Ukro one.

upgraded BMP ambulance with drone protection for SMO.

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They're all for free speech aren't they

Until it turns out they can't compete in a fair playing field anymore. Then they're the very first ones to turn to censorship, blackmail, falsifications and everything else they accuse Russia, China and the 'non-democratic world' of.

Broski wrote:

Odin of Ossetia wrote:Russians are still easy on them.

During the 1940's the Ukrainians murdered-off without any regard to age and sex entire unarmed defenseless ethnic Polish villages.

And today Poland fully supports the Ukraine so what's your point?

Let's be real. Stalin supported Lithuanian and Ukrainian nationalists in their land claims against Poland too right after WW2, which entailed more than a few more Poles being thrown out of their homes by these people - as that was what was convenient for him. Of course the Lithuanians and Ukrainians very swiftly forgot about Stalin's "territorial gifts" just as the Ukrainians had earlier forgot about Lenin's ones.
It's not worth doing a damn for anyone in this part of the world, everyone hates each other and the only thing they hate more than each other is Russia.

JohninMK wrote:A forecast

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We may be seeing Ukraine starting their main push. With the end of summer closing in combined with the possible Ukrainian withdrawal from the east of the Oskil River and the Ukrainian independence day upcoming as well as pressure from western countries and media for results we may see Ukraine start their main push soon.

We've seen increased activity of Ukrainian assaults over the past few days after a period of "silence" where the Ukrainians had no advancements at all for a period of a week.

Ukraine has entered Robotyne twice and has now captured half of Urozhaine which makes them very close to Russia's first formal line of defense.

We now also see intensified attempts at river crossings across the dnieper.

So the day is not far where we see Ukraine put 100% at it and do their final and biggest attempt at this offensive.

Reminds me of the definition of insanity. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

In this case it's leaping on and hugging the same cactus over and over again. And it's a darn sight easier to reduce enemy forces this way than by you having to come to them, so I applaud it. Not because I want people to die. But because more people will die anyway before this war is over and in that case it should be as few of ours among them as possible.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Tbf this guy stays unbiased and gives his views on Material that you can prove, he doesn't go with unfounded claims which is what 99 percent of people on this forum do. Is he always right? No but he is one of the better reporters of whats going on for both sides. He isn't a Russian lapdog nor Ukie one, he just calls it how he sees it and the reality is you want you information from someone who is unbiased because you can be more sure the information is good as they aren't mentally on one side

Do you mean active or reserve, current active Bela army is like 65k, reserves would put it at like over 500k of course.

Wagner doesn't have that much men, I could see them being around 25k, I have seen information that supports that

That said, having a large force like that running around on its own, isn't a good thing for sure. This could bite the russians in the ass in the future we will see.

But I did notice they still wear russian flags on their uniforms, take that how you will

Na he's a NATO plant. 100%. Unbiased my ass

You can tell by his video on Niger, when he does nothing but make 20 minutes worth of excuses for the French and the US while not saying a word about why the masses were in support of the coup, and why the West and client regimes in West Africa are so desperate to reverse the coup that they are ready to near-instantly resort to force.

I do think he provides useful info and is not nearly as insufferable as Blinkov's Battlegrounds or whatever that literal sock puppet is called. But yeah. NATO info warfare is NATO info warfare.

Airbornewolf wrote:When the mask slips off   .....
I had to look it up to be sure he actually said this  

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/08/10/poland-president-duda-ukraine-interview/

I wonder is Duda on the right mind at this time ? Diplomatically and PR-wise he should not say this even if everybody know that.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Except, they had to fork over all their tanks, apcs, air defense, and armored vehicles to the Russians probably one of the conditions for being allowed to leave. Due to the fact the Russians supplied most of it to begin with

So no they are just glorified light infantry with no real mechanized ability which will severely hinder their ability

I'm sure they did and I'm sure the Belarussians rustled through their warehouses to equip them with all their own surplus to compensate.
I'm also sure a number of Belarussian soldiers would have 'resigned' from the regular army there to join Wagner, again making up for the Wagnerites that decided to sign contracts with the Russian MoD instead.

In this way Belarus can 'join' the fight with some of its own soldiers and equipment having plausible deniability.
Russia also has plausible deniability for any of Wagner's activities in say.. Niger. Wasn't us boss, don't you know we even exiled them.

higurashihougi wrote:

Airbornewolf wrote:When the mask slips off   .....
I had to look it up to be sure he actually said this  

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/08/10/poland-president-duda-ukraine-interview/

I wonder is Duda on the right mind at this time ? Diplomatically and PR-wise he should not say this even if everybody know that.

Did that on purpose.

He is trying to get ukro angry to have a reason to stop sending all its multi million dollar military equipement to Russia for scrapping.

Airbornewolf wrote:When the mask slips off   .....
I had to look it up to be sure he actually said this  

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/08/10/poland-president-duda-ukraine-interview/

Don't quite understand what he proposes as the 'cheap' option if the implication is that dead American soldiers is the 'expensive' route

Is he offering up his own people and army to be used instead of the precious Amerikanski ones?

After loads of unsuccessful attack attempts on Crimea last night, it seems like the ukies are throwing everything they've got at the Kerch strait bridge right now. Multiple shot down missiles, big counter-measure deployments.

They are also concurrently launching drones into the Belgorod region at random.

...So it must be going really bad somewhere else.

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:After loads of unsuccessful attack attempts on Crimea last night, it seems like the ukies are throwing everything they've got at the Kerch strait bridge right now. Multiple shot down missiles, big counter-measure deployments.

They are also concurrently launching drones into the Belgorod region at random.

...So it must be going really bad somewhere else.

I saw the videos of smoke screens being activated on the bridge. Not sure how effective it will be. Russia reported shot down missiles. And have stated these attacks won't go unpunished which means Ukraine will be getting another round of missile strikes.

I wonder if we will see them in action in SMO.

The "Kalashnikov" concern announced the development of the "Vihor"/Vikhr-1guided aviation missile for use with attack drones. Range 8km

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:After loads of unsuccessful attack attempts on Crimea last night, it seems like the ukies are throwing everything they've got at the Kerch strait bridge right now. Multiple shot down missiles, big counter-measure deployments.

They are also concurrently launching drones into the Belgorod region at random.

...So it must be going really bad somewhere else.

Hope Russian electronic and satellite reconnaissance has their A-game on

As there's a lot of juicy info to glean about Ukrainian deployments and locations from all this activity.

2nd wave of attacks has reportedly been thwarted.

What's the situation around Kupyansk?

d_taddei2 wrote:upgraded BMP ambulance with drone protection for SMO.

Is that suitable for drone protection? It looks better for tea and crumpets on a nice afternoon.

d_taddei2 wrote:

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:After loads of unsuccessful attack attempts on Crimea last night, it seems like the ukies are throwing everything they've got at the Kerch strait bridge right now. Multiple shot down missiles, big counter-measure deployments.

They are also concurrently launching drones into the Belgorod region at random.

...So it must be going really bad somewhere else.

I saw the videos of smoke screens being activated on the bridge. Not sure how effective it will be. Russia reported shot down missiles. And have stated these attacks won't go unpunished which means Ukraine will be getting another round of missile strikes.

Don't they get missile strikes anyways? Thats like saying it will rain.

flamming_python wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Except, they had to fork over all their tanks, apcs, air defense, and armored vehicles to the Russians probably one of the conditions for being allowed to leave. Due to the fact the Russians supplied most of it to begin with

So no they are just glorified light infantry with no real mechanized ability which will severely hinder their ability

I'm sure they did and I'm sure the Belarussians rustled through their warehouses to equip them with all their own surplus to compensate.
I'm also sure a number of Belarussian soldiers would have 'resigned' from the regular army there to join Wagner, again making up for the Wagnerites that decided to sign contracts with the Russian MoD instead.

In this way Belarus can 'join' the fight with some of its own soldiers and equipment having plausible deniability.
Russia also has plausible deniability for any of Wagner's activities in say.. Niger. Wasn't us boss, don't you know we even exiled them.

That's all well and good but who is paying the bill for food, salaries and all the rest? Its the piper that calls the tune and Wagner certainly don't have pockets that deep.

Is that suitable for drone protection? 

With some mesh inbetween or sandbags on top it will be good against those FPV drones.

Reminds me of the definition of insanity. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

NATO:

In the defense of the Crimean bridge, the units of the 31st Air Defense Division of the RF Armed Forces on S-400 systems stood out, which shot down anti-aircraft guided missiles of the S-200 system, modified into an impact version.

General consensus atm seems to be that none of the attack attempts got through and everything is fine.

Pro-Banderist terrorist twitter (or "X" I guess) seems to be indulging in total fantasy scenarios right now.

JohninMK wrote:

That's all well and good but who is paying the bill for food, salaries and all the rest? Its the piper that calls the tune and Wagner certainly don't have pockets that deep.

Apparently the Russian Ministry of Defense. The semi-official figure I heard was 7-10,000 men (2-3 brigades or 3-4 regiments worth).

Hole wrote:

This is Duda's idea of Cheap?.

Duda is approaching Baerbock levels of stupidity. 
What he doesn´t get is that for the American "elites" a Polish life is as cheap as a Ukro one.

Duda's grandfather was in the UPA, so obviously he does not care about ethnic Polish lives.



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Todays events at the Kerch bridge reminded me of how the mighty patriot was trying to take down a ballistic mode S-200 missile that cut off the guidance.
They have fired 9 missiles, and a few Israeli ones, not scoring a single hit. Missile fell down 20 km from Dimona.
Russkie are just taking those down on a daily basis ...
Feel the difference?

Well, Pantsir is cementing its position as the world's premier local AA system, no doubt. Not only is it accurate and effective, it's also cheap, so the cost effectiveness is through the roof. It's like a 180 reversal, when a dirt cheap Pantsir takes down a hideously expensive Storm Shadow missile, vs a quarter million dollar Patriot that fails to intercept less than 1000 bucks worth of flying lawnmower.

Western military equipment isn't necessarily bad, but the ridiculously inflated budgetary environment it all resides in ultimately makes it all kind of comical.

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Well, Pantsir is cementing its position as the world's premier local AA system, no doubt. Not only is it accurate and effective, it's also cheap, so the cost effectiveness is through the roof. It's like a 180 reversal, when a dirt cheap Pantsir takes down a hideously expensive Storm Shadow missile, vs a quarter million dollar Patriot that fails to intercept less than 1000 bucks worth of flying lawnmower.

Western military equipment isn't necessarily bad, but the ridiculously inflated budgetary environment it all resides in ultimately makes it all kind of comical.

Well Russian weapons and "NATO standard" weapons have two different purposes in mind. NATO weapons are designed to make the military industrial complex money, intimidate third world nations, and achieve quick victories against nations long crippled by sanctions and corruption and that normally lack industrial bases. Russian weapons? Well, they are evil commie sorts designed to be easy to make and repair (which makes them a lot cheaper) and easy to use, and they must be simple and rugged.