Russian special military operation in Ukraine #47

Sprut-B wrote:

https://twitter.com/Cyberspec1/status/1690674706079498240?t=E6ylad6-buyAh-EsD1Q4pQ&s=19

30 mm 2A42 automatic cannon teamed up with a 7.62 mm PKTM machine gun?

Perhaps the PKTM will be primarily used against drones while the auto cannon will be used against infantry formation and light armoured vehicles. Seems to be a vehicle dedicated towards COIN operation.

Might come handy when Russian troops enter major Ukrainian cities.

Edit: So Embed only works half the time for me. This is a reaction of a girl in the Donbass who basically has spend most of the last ten years living in a basement due to 404's shelling of them

Sujoy wrote:
30 mm 2A42 automatic cannon teamed up with a 7.62 mm PKTM machine gun?

Perhaps the PKTM will be primarily used against drones while the auto cannon will be used against infantry formation and light armoured vehicles. Seems to be a vehicle dedicated towards COIN operation.

Might come handy when Russian troops enter major Ukrainian cities.

You can have a lot more ammo on board for the machine gun than the autocannon. The machine gun can be used for anything that's exposed or unarmored, and not too far away. Anything else and you'll need the autocannon.

This thing carries the firepower of modernized BMP-2, to begin with.
And can deal single-handed with every target on the battlefield, tanks&helis included.
A Tigr you said?

Hole wrote:25mm is a traditional (= very old ) calibre in the Russian Navy.

57mm grenade launchers

57mm is so pre-SMO. We need bigger rounds! Like 76mm. Or maybe the Russians can turn the old KS-19 100mm AA gun into
an auto cannon. 

Iranians already did and use it as AA gun. It's self-loading with five rounds called Sa-ir

On July 25th, an Airbus A320-200 of the Turkish company BBN Airlines, en route from Oslo to Antalya with 180 passengers, flew through the no-fly zone over Ukraine.

This could have ended badly I bet they hoped Russia would shoot it down then have a field day slating them.

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Business Insider, citing the British research group Conflict Armament Research, confirmed the Russian origin of the Geranium-2 UAV, based on a study of July materials from the remains of the drone

Zlatti71
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‍ Klescheevka: Gateway to Hell for Ukrainian Armed Forces, 5-minute lightning attack by our armored group

On the southern flank of Artemovsk, tank crews and the 3rd motorized infantry battalion of the 85th Brigade launched an attack, annihilating the enemy.

Leading the charge is the world's best tank, the T-90M "Proryv," followed by 2 BMPs with infantry. The assault was so sudden and fierce that the Ukrainian artillery only woke up as our forces were retreating, and they couldn't hit us, as reported by war correspondent Zhdanov on http://rt.com (http://t.me/zhdanovrt).

Currently, in intense battles, Russian units are regaining the initiative on this front segment. While the process is complex and not swift, the enemy is already forced to retreat from previously captured positions.

Zlatti71
@djuric_zlatko
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Russian MoD (Summary)

Enemy Losses:Servicemen: Approx. 525 killed and wounded
Armored Fighting Vehicles (AFVs): Approx. 16 destroyed
Motor Vehicles: Approx. 14 destroyed
Counter-battery Radar Stations: 1 destroyed
AN/TPQ-36 Radar Station: 1 destroyed
Tanks: Approx. 6 destroyed
IFVs (Infantry Fighting Vehicles): Approx. 5 destroyed
Pickup Trucks: Approx. 4 destroyed
Self-propelled Artillery Systems: Approx. 1 destroyed
D-30 Howitzers: Approx. 2 destroyed
D-20 Howitzers: 1 destroyed
M777 Artillery System: 1 destroyed
Forward Command Posts: 1 hit
UAV Control Points: 1 hit
Mi-8 Aircraft: 1 shot down
HIMARS MLRS (High Mobility Artillery Rocket System) projectiles: 8 shot down
Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs): Approx. 25 destroyed

Or the full details

Russian Defence Ministry report (https://t.me/mod_russia_en/8989) on the progress of the special military operation (13 August 2023)

In Kupyansk direction, as a result of actions by the Zapad Group of Forces, 6 unsuccessful attacks and counterattacks by units of 14th, 44th mechanised and 95th airborne assault brigades of the AFU have been successfully repelled close to Novosyolovskoye LPR, as well as Sinkovka and Mankovka tract (Kharkov).

The enemy losses were up to 60 servicemen, 4 AFVs, 2 motor vehicles, and 1 AN/TPQ-36 counter-battery radar station.

In Donetsk direction, the Yug Group of Forces repelled 6 attacks by assault groups of 110th mechanised, 5th assault, 81st airmobile and 79th airborne assault brigades of the AFU near Belogorovka, Vesyoloye, Krasnogorovka and west of Kleshcheevka DPR.

The enemy losses were up to 300 servicemen killed and wounded, 3 AFVs, and 2 motor vehicles.

In Krasny Liman direction, as a result of professional actions by units of the Tsentr Group of Forces, 1 attack by an assault group of the AFU 68th Jaeger Brigade has been successfully repelled south-east of Novoyegorovka LPR.

The enemy losses were up to 45 servicemen, 3 AFVs, 4 pickup trucks, 1 Gvozdika self-propelled artillery system, and 1 D-30 howitzer.

In South Donetsk direction, as a result of actions by units the Vostok Group of Forces, enemy units have been hit close to Staromayorskoye and Urozhaynoye DPR.

The enemy losses were up to 80 servicemen, 1 tank, 4 AFVs, 3 motor vehicles, as well as D-20 and D-30 howitzers.

In Zaporozhye direction, units of the Russian grouping of troops, supported by artillery, repelled 1 enemy attack south-west of Uspenovka (Zaporozhye).

Russian troops have launched a comprehensive fire attack on AFU manpower and hardware concentration areas close to Yablonevoye and Malaya Tokmachka (Zaporozhye).

The enemy losses were up to 40 servicemen, 5 tanks, 5 IFVs, 3 motor vehicles, 1 FH-70 howitzer, 2 Msta-B howitzers, and 1 D-20 gun.

In Kherson direction, the enemy losses were up to 20 servicemen, 4 motor vehicles, and 1 M777 artillery system.

Operational-Tactical and Army aviation, Missile Troops and Artillery of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation have neutralised manpower and military hardware in 137 areas.

1 forward command post of the 9th Army Corps of the AFU has been hit near Orekhov (Zaporozhye).

1 control point for UAVs, as well as AFU manpower and military hardware have been eliminated close to Pervomaiskoye DPR.

Fighter Aviation of Russian Aerospace Forces has shot down 1 Mi-8 aircraft of Ukrainian Air Force near Brusovka DPR.

Air defence facilities have shot down 8 projectiles launched by HIMARS MLRS.

In addition, 25 UAVs have been hit close to Kremennaya, Rubezhnoye, Zolotaryovka LPR, Trudovskoye, Gorlovka DPR, Chapaevka and Ocherevatoye (Zaporozhye).

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It's self-loading with five rounds called Sa-ir

Good start. But fully automatic means 20, 30 or even 50 shots. 
With such a gun you obviously need a bigger boat.... I mean truck. 

Gateway to Hell for Ukrainian Armed Forces, 5-minute lightning attack by our armored group

Compare that to the failed attempts of the Ukros. Night and day. NATO standards my ass. 

https://t.me/ZandVchannel/75227

BREAKING

‍ On 13 August at about 6.40 a.m. Moscow time, the Black Sea Fleet patrol ship Vasily Bykov, which was carrying out shipping control monitoring, detected the bulk cargo ship Sukra Okan under the flag of Palau, which was on its way to the Ukrainian port of Izmail, in the south-western part of the Black Sea.

The captain of the bulk cargo ship did not respond to the request to stop for inspection for the carriage of prohibited goods.

The Russian warship opened warning fire from automatic small arms fire to forcefully stop the vessel.

In order to inspect the bulk cargo ship, a Ka-29 helicopter with a group of Russian servicemen was hoisted from the patrol ship Vasily Bykov.
Following radio conversations, the ship stopped its course and the boarding team landed on the bulk cargo ship.

After the work of the boarding team on board Sukra Okan was completed, the vessel continued its journey to the port of Izmail.

Black Sea Fleet ships continue patrolling in the designated areas.

JohninMK wrote:Zlatti71
@djuric_zlatko
‍ Klescheevka: Gateway to Hell for Ukrainian Armed Forces, 5-minute lightning attack by our armored group

On the southern flank of Artemovsk, tank crews and the 3rd motorized infantry battalion of the 85th Brigade launched an attack, annihilating the enemy.

Leading the charge is the world's best tank, the T-90M "Proryv," followed by 2 BMPs with infantry. The assault was so sudden and fierce that the Ukrainian artillery only woke up as our forces were retreating, and they couldn't hit us, as reported by war correspondent Zhdanov on http://rt.com (http://t.me/zhdanovrt).

Currently, in intense battles, Russian units are regaining the initiative on this front segment. While the process is complex and not swift, the enemy is already forced to retreat from previously captured positions.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1690787038822273024

They unloaded a squad there. Did they just leave them there? The destruction unleashed by those 3 vehicles is pretty insane.

JohninMK wrote:https://t.me/ZandVchannel/75227
   BREAKING

   ‍ On 13 August at about 6.40 a.m. Moscow time, the Black Sea Fleet patrol ship Vasily Bykov, which was carrying out shipping control monitoring, detected the bulk cargo ship Sukra Okan under the flag of Palau, which was on its way to the Ukrainian port of Izmail, in the south-western part of the Black Sea.

    The captain of the bulk cargo ship did not respond to the request to stop for inspection for the carriage of prohibited goods.
    The Russian warship opened warning fire from automatic small arms fire to forcefully stop the vessel.
    In order to inspect the bulk cargo ship, a Ka-29 helicopter with a group of Russian servicemen was hoisted from the patrol ship Vasily Bykov.
    Following radio conversations, the ship stopped its course and the boarding team landed on the bulk cargo ship.
    After the work of the boarding team on board Sukra Okan was completed, the vessel continued its journey to the port of Izmail.
    Black Sea Fleet ships continue patrolling in the designated areas.

Holy shit, Russian Navy actually read the instructon booklet that came with that Offshore Patrol Vessel and is operating it in it's intended role instead of idiotically strapping Tor AA on it and trying to get it Moskva'd by using it as coastal monitor?

We truly live in unusual times

Next time marines should give the freighter crew a good bitchslapping and have them whine about it on TikTok, it will help get the message across faster

I'm curious as to why old Soviet guns were put on them. Were they given over to DPR forces to use? or just needed something put on to add weight and stability to them? Had just assumed Russia would scrap them as they seem to have little real worth.

They probably have barrels and ammo for the 25mm guns they want to use up. I is a powerful calibre and the gun mount was reportedly pretty good for hitting targets on the water and in the water... probably not so good for shooting down incoming missiles though.

On a small boat adding weight high up like that is normally a bad thing, so it wont be for stability.

Probably for what they are used for, its more practical to have more basic guns onboard than whatever the Kiev regime was trying to do with those turrets

The 25mm round they fire is rather powerful and hits rather hard, whether you are firing at ships or mines in the water or incoming sea drones, or airborne drones.

Much better range and punch than a HMG...

25mm is a traditional (= very old Very Happy ) calibre in the Russian Navy.

They will have ammo and guns and barrels and parts in storage... why not get them out and get some use out of them while the ammo is still useful.

57mm is so pre-SMO. We need bigger rounds! Like 76mm. Or maybe the Russians can turn the old KS-19 100mm AA gun into
an auto cannon.

Actually the 57mm grenade HE round is a tiny stub propellent cartridge and mostly bomb, so it is rather more powerful than the calibre implies.

Direct fire is useless against trenches. They need a mortar mounted on such vehicles.

We have seen the combination of drones spotting trench targets and tanks or BMPs can be very effective, and for example drones spotting targets over 1km away for 30mm auto grenade launchers are rather effective too.

The mortars on the Merkavas were often used for illumination rounds when thermals were not that widely deployed...

30 mm 2A42 automatic cannon teamed up with a 7.62 mm PKTM machine gun?

Some targets simply don't justify 30mm cannon rounds, so having a PK means a burst of fire can be used for different targets. Equally the twin ATGM launcher can be used against a variety of point targets on a modern battlefield and not just tanks.

Seems to be a vehicle dedicated towards COIN operation.

A stabilised 30mm cannon with thermals would be a fun weapon to use on a battlefield against a range of threats, while the light chassis would offer good mobility in a variety of situations and environments.

Using its optics and fire power I would not want the enemy to get too close where even an old RPG-18 would be dangerous.

On July 25th, an Airbus A320-200 of the Turkish company BBN Airlines, en route from Oslo to Antalya with 180 passengers, flew through the no-fly zone over Ukraine.

This could have ended badly I bet they hoped Russia would shoot it down then have a field day slating them.

Or perhaps now that Kievs air defence is so depleted they felt it was safe to fly through because the only real threat to civilian airliners were the Orcs.

Business Insider, citing the British research group Conflict Armament Research, confirmed the Russian origin of the Geranium-2 UAV, based on a study of July materials from the remains of the drone

So the Brits are now confirming what the Iranians and Russians have said all along... the Russians are licence producing them and didn't buy Iranian made drones.

This suggests this was planned and invested in and was already in the works and would predate the Russian entry to the conflict last year.

@Big_Gazza, not convincing... he would not be wearing a shirt and tie to a shrink when he wears a tracksuit to see the leaders of the world...

This is how air defense works in Odessa.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/58853
Notice the SAM being fired at 0:19 and hitting the ground 5 seconds later.

The destruction unleashed by those 3 vehicles is pretty insane.

Comment from SouthFront:
The armoured group of the 85th brigade of the Russian Armed Forces (T-90 main battle tank and BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicles) with assault infantry on boards storms Ukrainian armed forces positions near Kleshchevka, Bakhmut direction, Donbass (Eastern Ukraine).
This is one of the best videos of competent and successful actions of military units in frontal attack of fortified enemy positions during the conflict in Ukraine.
In the video we can watch:
a. rapid advance of the armoured group to the attack line and deployment into a combat formation;
b. synchronised artillery support strike;
c. firing of combat vehicles in motion at enemy positions;
d. competent movement of the armoured group along the engineer-surveyed position;
e. rushing the troop under camouflage smoke;
f. dispersal of infantry;
g. withdrawal of the armoured group, while covering its attacking infantry with fire.
It would seem to be the ABC of military science, but such a thing is only possible if one has well-trained skills and high morale.

They don't produce new missiles for their S-300 and Buk systems so they use soviet ones that are 40 years old at best. 

Add to that the fear of the AD crews of being attacked by ARM´s or drones which could lead to them switching of
guidance radars to early. Plus possible jamming by the Russian Forces.

GarryB wrote:A stabilised 30mm cannon with thermals would be a fun weapon to use on a battlefield against a range of threats, while the light chassis would offer good mobility in a variety of situations and environments.

Ukrainians have mined, IEDed half the country (so much so that they themselves are flocking in just a few spots and this explains why they are easy picking for Russian MBTs even at night) and so a light armoured chassis won't survive in such an environment.

flamming_python wrote:You can have a lot more ammo on board for the machine gun than the autocannon.

Yes there is the cost factor too. Same reason why fighter aircraft still uses cannons.

Ukrainians have mined, IEDed half the country (so much so that they themselves are flocking in just a few spots and this explains why they are easy picking for Russian MBTs even at night) and so a light armoured chassis won't survive in such an environment.

Are you trying to suggest a heavy tank is immune to Mines, whereas lighter vehicles will be destroyed by mines?

I would say no vehicles are safe from mines and preparation and countermeasures are as necessary for a light vehicle as they are for a heavy vehicle.

There are plenty of images from Afghanistan of BTRs with wheels missing where they ran over smaller mines and kept going... the way a heavier tracked vehicle could not.

There is no level of armour strong enough to allow a vehicle to ignore land mines.

A mine protected vehicle can't just roll around minefields as much as it likes... when an MRAP hits a mine they are designed so the crew and troops survive but the vehicle normally does not.