Russian special military operation in Ukraine #47

I cannot imagine the f16 will fare well In Ukraine like I said with the Leos and Abrams, Ukraine just lacks the proper training and everything else you'd need. Its like trying to put a bandaid on a gun shot wound, F16 is a match for any russian plane, but Ukraine just doesn't have the capability to use it well

Eh the f-16 block 52 was and is still a very solid fighter but we are talking essentially similar capabilities as the mig-29m equipped with r-77-1 and r-74 missiles and A2G weaponry.

The issue is it is piecemeal and not part of the overall western combined arms doctrine. They will certainly be more dangerous especially with aim-120c5 missiles and datalinks. That said with combined Russian air defense and interceptors they will get shot out of the sky or bombed on the ground more than likely.

What is disturbing is that this all undoubtedly implies that the natosphere surveillance aircraft will be helping guide and track on targets and evade with probablyittle to no use of it's own radar which is the most blatant aggression that would come from the west.

European f16 are different. There are differences even among ones operated in one airforces. Some can carry jassm, some cant. Some can operated relatively news amraams, and some does not. Ones donated to ukrs wont be the most advanced and less ussed for sure. IT is just another show.

Is Luka hinting at what's to come for Ukraine?


Alexander Lukashenko about military operations in Ukraine in a interview:

“Now Russia will grind you there.  Living force and technology.  Already those motivated, ideologically minded Natsiks, as they were called, nationalists, these people are not ideologically strong.  They are all dead already.  Who is fighting here?  Those whom you catch on the streets and bring here.  They are not prepared.  Well, a few soldiers.  They can't handle this car.  Russia has changed.

Russia today has the latest weapons at the front.  There are already enough drones.  It's a completely different army.  And the most dangerous thing is that they have 250,000 volunteer corps.  Russia has 250 thousand, which are now trained and in reserve.  There are fewer Russians at the front now"

"No need.  And you go, you understand, like stubbed and drunk.  You go at the ready, as they show the Germans in the movies.  You go to these barricades, but you don't even reach, we see it, the minefields.  You are simply destroyed by the thousands.  You have 45 thousand people died during the counteroffensive and left there crippled.  Your losses at the front are one to eight."

The President continued:

“Here they will grind you here, and then they will do what you and the leadership are most afraid of.  They will cut you off to Moldova, Transnistria.  What will you do next?

“They will cut off your west.  You will be left with a scrap, if there is.  That's what will happen to you?  And there will be no state like Ukraine, our state with you.  Our native land - yours and mine"

and not what drones will typically observe.

It looks as if the russian side has enough recon drones along the frontlines to use some recon drones to film other recon drones doing recon. 

What are they going to use them for ?

The Japanese had a special technique at the end of WWII. 

It is almost like they know what they're doing.

You mean they got trained soldiers and experienced officers? Mention that to someone in the western MSM and he/she/it will get a stroke.

There was this one episode where Cartman says he is going to kick Kyle's ass and then Kyle slaps him and he starts crying. 

The episode where he wants a fight with a girl and then eats his own underwear to get out of it is even better.

Direct hit 

 That must have hurt.

And there will be no state like Ukraine, our state with you.  

In the USA, they started talking about the need for peace talks on Ukraine

Politiko writes that even one of Ukraine's main allies in the US Congress, Andy Harris, admitted the failure of the Ukrainian offensive.

He said that the US was short of funds after the pandemic and that he would oppose giving money to Kiev without inspector general oversight. The politician is, among other things, afraid of waste and fraud, the publication explains.

"Zelensky would have suffered a heavy defeat in the war without our support. And with our help, he won't win. The situation is now at an impasse," Harris said, acknowledging the need for negotiations.

d_taddei2 wrote: In the USA, they started talking about the need for peace talks on Ukraine

Politiko writes that even one of Ukraine's main allies in the US Congress, Andy Harris, admitted the failure of the Ukrainian offensive.

 He said that the US was short of funds after the pandemic and that he would oppose giving money to Kiev without inspector general oversight.  The politician is, among other things, afraid of waste and fraud, the publication explains.

"Zelensky would have suffered a heavy defeat in the war without our support.  And with our help, he won't win.  The situation is now at an impasse," Harris said, acknowledging the need for negotiations.

Peace talks?



Was the USSR interested in "peace talks" in Jan 1945? No. If the Ukrotrash unconditionally surrender then only their nazi leadership needs to be tried and hung for war crimes. If not, well... lets just say it won't be an enjoyable experience for them.

On Tuesday, August 15, at about noon, a sabotage and reconnaissance group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, consisting of approximately 15 people, tried to cross the Russian border near the village of Kurkovichi, Starodubsky Municipal District, Bryansk Region, but got into a hidden forward position of the border mortar group of the Russian Armed Forces.

The saboteurs went immediately to a short distance, after which a shooting battle began. Ukrainian terrorists, not expecting resistance, began to retreat, firing back, despite the fact that superior forces were on their side.

“ During the shooting battle, our brother-border guard received a bullet wound, unfortunately, the wound turned out to be fatal - on the way to the hospital, the border guard died from blood loss. Covering the retreat of the DRG, the enemy opened mortar fire, as a result of which two more border guards received shell shock, one of them was severe. Reinforcements were quickly sent to the area. The breakout attempt was successfully eliminated ", - writes the Telegram channel " Senior Border Guard".

As expected, the border guards were the first to accept the battle and did not let the saboteurs into the territory of Russia, despite the numerical superiority of the enemy.

The terrorists suffered heavy losses - only according to preliminary confirmed data, four "two hundredths", whose bodies the saboteurs threw on the battlefield. The video footage shows the bodies of well-equipped militants with NATO weapons.

In addition, trophies were taken - FPV drones, on which Russian symbols and inscriptions "property of the FSB" are applied. There is no doubt that the drones were being prepared for provocations.

Also, the border guards seized several units of Western-made small arms in full body kit, explosives and other components.

Hiding, Ukrainian saboteurs fired mortars at the village of Kurkovichi, trying to avenge the failed attempt to break through. The shells hit the local dairy complex, where the veterinarian was shell-shocked.

Great sacrifices do not stop Ukrainian saboteurs. Early in the morning of August 16, a Ukrainian DRG consisting of six terrorists again tried to penetrate the territory of the Bryansk region. During the ensuing battle, five out of six militants were destroyed by border guards, the regional governor Alexander Bogomaz wrote in his Telegram channel.

https://odnarodyna-org.translate.goog/article/ukrainskie-operacii-pod-chuzhim-flagom-sorvany-rossiyskimi-pogranichnikami?utm_source=warfiles.ru&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

Wagner school:


Battle between RF and Ukrainian vehicles at the Zaporozhye frontline


from the source:
ukrainian infantry fighting vehicles are storming the Russian positions in the first video, but a Russian tank came out to meet them, destroying two of them.
The battle lasted several hours until the evening, by that time another BMP came up from the Russian side, and a tank from the Ukrainian side.
The battle ends with the Russian infantry destroying a Ukrainian retreating tank.

RF quick reaction force extracts Russian pilot from downed KA-52

America is putting pressure on the Netherlands & Denmark to send there F-16s after the Ukrainian pilots have been trained, those F-16s of Netherlands were delivered in the early 1980s and they have only 24 left they are classed as block 20, as for Denmark there F-16s are even older there F-16As and if Denmark were to send there F-16s they would have no fighter/strike aircraft in there airforce

so you are talking airframes that are in there 5th decade of service

Godric wrote:so you are talking airframes that are in there 5th decade of service

Just as Biden. 

Hole wrote:

Godric wrote:so you are talking airframes that are in there 5th decade of service

Just as Biden. 

nah he looks as if he is 200 years old, re animated with electricity

Godric wrote:America is putting pressure on the Netherlands & Denmark to send there F-16s after the Ukrainian pilots have been trained, those F-16s of Netherlands were delivered in the early 1980s and they have only 24 left they are classed as block 20, as for Denmark there F-16s are even older there F-16As and if Denmark were to send there F-16s they would have no fighter/strike aircraft in there airforce

so you are talking airframes that are in there 5th decade of service

It will be over 120 planes. A lot

Hold your horses lads.
Actually the most modern F-16 in Europe are the Polish ones, but nobody is considering giving them anywhere.
It is true that all the others are A/B versions, yet a lot of those has been modified.
These modifications equalled MLU, so in general all Euro 16s can use AIM-120. The difference is, that not all of them in its newest versions.
The catch is, that there are two countries set to give their planes - and in both cases they still have a vanilla, non modified versions that represent a 80s level. And as most of those has been delivered in the early 80s, we talk a 30+ y/o pieces, in some cases 40 y/o. No need to add them age, it is good enough
My guess is that what Ukrs will get, is using a 80s standard radar and some improvements making them able to use AIM-120B and maybe some Mavericks. That's all. It is just another bogus to pretend that something is being done.

Lancets in the USSR, 1945.






At first I thought it was some AI generated BS, but nope. These are Soviet SB-1/M IR-homing bombs from the late 1940s, trialled on Tupolev Tu-2s but ultimately never put into action due to several factors influencing each other:
* Only BIG targets spewing a lot of heat (powerplants, foundries etc) could be reliably targeted
* The electronics were expensive as hell
* The warheads were rather small, and not effective against big targets anyway

So, basically, if you wanted to bomb a big factory, regular bombs did it just fine. It would still take a while before homing technology matured, into the 50s.

Anyway, just funny how Lancety it looked, though it was a completely different thing of course. The reason I posted it was just because I'd never heard of it before though I was well aware of other Soviet hi-tech from the war that rarely, if ever gets mentioned in western sources (radars, nightvision etc, yes they had them too).

Anyway, probably better for some history thread if there is one, I guess.

Arrow wrote:

Godric wrote:America is putting pressure on the Netherlands & Denmark to send there F-16s after the Ukrainian pilots have been trained, those F-16s of Netherlands were delivered in the early 1980s and they have only 24 left they are classed as block 20, as for Denmark there F-16s are even older there F-16As and if Denmark were to send there F-16s they would have no fighter/strike aircraft in there airforce

so you are talking airframes that are in there 5th decade of service

It will be over 120 planes. A lot

Denmark and Netherlands have 44 F-16s between them, if Denmark give them there F-16s they have no offensive or defensive airforce, so you are talking about 24 early 80's F-16s that were due to be mothballed from the Netherlands

In replying to the angst of a lot of people about the "advances" of the Ukrainian army in the southern front, a reader from my blog, a long serving officer, gives a professional explication of the "elastic defense", I liked it so much I couldn't help being pedantic and spoiling it with a long extract from a book explaining it in further detail

https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2023/08/18/la-defensa-elastica-en-el-frente-de-zaporozhe/

Netherlands nor Denmark have that many F16s.

The Eu in total has 568 F-16s of various types and conditions they could send, if people wanna know the exact number there you go.

We the US have about 1k, so add the US with EU and that's 1,568k.

None Eu counties and have about 521 combined, Eygpt, Taiwan, SK. But these countries will not fork over any aircraft to Ukraine for obvious reasons mainly Sk and Taiwan who need them due to China. Eygpt might part with some but they said they will only sell Ukraine stuff if they pay upfront, they don't accept IOU.

f16s on order include countries like Slo, Bulgaria etc.

The Eu in total has 568 F-16s of various types and conditions they could send, if people wanna know the exact number there you go. We the US have about 1k, so add the US with EU and that's 1,568k. None Eu counties and have about 521 combined, Eygpt, Taiwan, SK. But these countries will not fork over any aircraft to Ukraine for obvious reasons mainly Sk and Taiwan who need them due to China. Eygpt might part with some but they said they will only sell Ukraine stuff if they pay upfront, they don't accept IOU. wrote:

Yes, NATO/USA has an overwhelming tactical air superiority over Russia.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1Oo4JCMm5S0&pp=ygUeYnJlYWtpbmcgbmV3cyByb2JlcnQgZiBrZW5uZWR5

Russia should start seriously producing the MiG-35 for export to friendly countries to offset the F-16 brouhaha impelled by yanquis worldwide.

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After watching all the drones fly into bunkers, I wonder how soon it will be before a drone with AI flys into a bunker and demands the surrender of everyone. Surrender or I will explode. There is no other option. Touch the drone or shoot it and it will explode, run and it will explode. Surrender or die. The benefit is you can use the drone again!!! And after a few vids of exploding drones killing everyone I would bet surrender rates would get close to 100%. You can even get the surrendering troops to deliver the drone as their secure IFF token so they don't get killed trying to surrender. A nice female motherly voice. I bet it would work really well.