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Russian special military operation in Ukraine #47
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #47
Dr.Snufflebug Fri Aug 18, 2023 2:40 am
Insane battle footage from today, as UA is throwing its last remaining NATO-trained and -supplied reserves at Rabotyne.
I don't discount the possibility of a RU withdrawal, as it's still in the "grey zone" and RU is casualty-adverse. So it would make sense, if UA has enough meat to throw at it to tip the scale, even if only temporarily.
But so far, it's just been an outright slaughter. In one of the clips you see UA armor (82nd? Strykers, Marders, Leopards and even Challengers) getting roughed up bad, with the ones late to the party just reversing back, seeing the carnage around.
One gung-ho T-90 crew having a literal blast as well, reminiscent of that "Russian Rambo" sequence from a few weeks back.
Actual tank-on-tank engagements have been exceedingly rare throughout the conflict, but lately we've seen a bunch, and RU crews have really excelled, though I gotta say it oftentimes looks a bit foolhardy.
I don't discount the possibility of a RU withdrawal, as it's still in the "grey zone" and RU is casualty-adverse. So it would make sense, if UA has enough meat to throw at it to tip the scale, even if only temporarily.
But so far, it's just been an outright slaughter. In one of the clips you see UA armor (82nd? Strykers, Marders, Leopards and even Challengers) getting roughed up bad, with the ones late to the party just reversing back, seeing the carnage around.
One gung-ho T-90 crew having a literal blast as well, reminiscent of that "Russian Rambo" sequence from a few weeks back.
Actual tank-on-tank engagements have been exceedingly rare throughout the conflict, but lately we've seen a bunch, and RU crews have really excelled, though I gotta say it oftentimes looks a bit foolhardy.
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You really ask yourself: What would they do in an T-14? 
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #47
flamming_python Fri Aug 18, 2023 3:27 am
Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Insane battle footage from today, as UA is throwing its last remaining NATO-trained and -supplied reserves at Rabotyne.
I don't discount the possibility of a RU withdrawal, as it's still in the "grey zone" and RU is casualty-adverse. So it would make sense, if UA has enough meat to throw at it to tip the scale, even if only temporarily.
But so far, it's just been an outright slaughter. In one of the clips you see UA armor (82nd? Strykers, Marders, Leopards and even Challengers) getting roughed up bad, with the ones late to the party just reversing back, seeing the carnage around.
One gung-ho T-90 crew having a literal blast as well, reminiscent of that "Russian Rambo" sequence from a few weeks back.
Actual tank-on-tank engagements have been exceedingly rare throughout the conflict, but lately we've seen a bunch, and RU crews have really excelled, though I gotta say it oftentimes looks a bit foolhardy.
We've seen a few tank on tank engagements, usually it's a matter of one of them surprising the other
But the short answer is that what we actually see is just a fraction of what actually goes on. If tanks engage each other in any kind of urban setting than a drone has next to no chance of capturing it. And in general these engagements are brief and not what drones will typically observe.
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Pushilin announced the daily advancement of the Russian Armed Forces in two directions, by Alexey Degtyarev for VZGLYAD. 08.17.2023.
The head of the DPR Pushilin announced the daily loss of strongholds of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in two directions.
The Russian military is advancing more and more every day in the Krasnolimansk and Kupyansk directions, Denis Pushilin, acting head of the Donetsk People's Republic, said.
In these areas, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are knocked out from several strongholds at once a day, they lose from three to 10-12 points, Pushilin said, RIA Novosti reports .
According to him, the Russian Armed Forces are moving in difficult conditions, the Ukrainian military is resisting, but "our guys are doing well."
Earlier on Thursday, the Ministry of Defense reported that up to 125 Ukrainian soldiers were destroyed in the Kupyansk direction in a day.
https://vz.ru/news/2023/8/17/1226186.html
The head of the DPR Pushilin announced the daily loss of strongholds of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in two directions.
The Russian military is advancing more and more every day in the Krasnolimansk and Kupyansk directions, Denis Pushilin, acting head of the Donetsk People's Republic, said.
In these areas, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are knocked out from several strongholds at once a day, they lose from three to 10-12 points, Pushilin said, RIA Novosti reports .
According to him, the Russian Armed Forces are moving in difficult conditions, the Ukrainian military is resisting, but "our guys are doing well."
Earlier on Thursday, the Ministry of Defense reported that up to 125 Ukrainian soldiers were destroyed in the Kupyansk direction in a day.
https://vz.ru/news/2023/8/17/1226186.html
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #47
Arkanghelsk Fri Aug 18, 2023 5:38 am
So the US approved F16, this is big
Won't get them in until next year
Either way, they would have to fly them from bases that have runways, and I'm sure everything is gonna get slammed now
Rather wrap this up fast before it gets to point where nuclear can be an option
Won't get them in until next year
Either way, they would have to fly them from bases that have runways, and I'm sure everything is gonna get slammed now
Rather wrap this up fast before it gets to point where nuclear can be an option
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Someone should put little flags or circles in the clip to show whats going on
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Arkanghelsk wrote:So the US approved F16, this is big
Won't get them in until next year
Either way, they would have to fly them from bases that have runways, and I'm sure everything is gonna get slammed now
Rather wrap this up fast before it gets to point where nuclear can be an option
I don't think it is a big deal actually. HIMARS and storm shadows were worse. F-16's are flying Bradlys. Or manned Bayraktars. Call them what you want, I just don't see how they will be used. Maybe, maybe... some suicidal propaganda runs can be done with them. But Ukraine can barely do that with drones.
What are they going to use them for ?
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #47
flamming_python Fri Aug 18, 2023 6:01 am
Arkanghelsk wrote:So the US approved F16, this is big
Won't get them in until next year
Either way, they would have to fly them from bases that have runways, and I'm sure everything is gonna get slammed now
Rather wrap this up fast before it gets to point where nuclear can be an option
If it goes nuclear
Well then that's on them
Don't blame us for it
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #47
Dr.Snufflebug Fri Aug 18, 2023 6:06 am
F-16 is a 1970s jet fighter.
The way the Ukrainians and their fan crowd have hyped it up as yet another "game changer" is nothing short of laughable. All an F-16 can do, pertaining to the war, is to drop stand-off cruise missiles. That is, what the remaining few Su-24s have done.
The way the Ukrainians and their fan crowd have hyped it up as yet another "game changer" is nothing short of laughable. All an F-16 can do, pertaining to the war, is to drop stand-off cruise missiles. That is, what the remaining few Su-24s have done.
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Well then: Iskanders to Denmark and the Netherlands in retaliation, widening up NATO's warfare against Russia.
Reuters learned about the US approval of the transfer of F-16 to Kyiv from Denmark and the Netherlands, 08.17.2023.
Reuters: US approves transfer of F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine from Denmark and the Netherlands.
The United States approved the transfer of F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine from Denmark and the Netherlands after the completion of pilot training, Reuters writes. The White House said earlier that they were considering the possibility of such actions. Moscow condemns military aid to Kyiv
The United States approved the transfer of F-16 fighter jets from Denmark and the Netherlands to Ukraine upon completion of pilot training, reportsReuters, citing an American official.
Washington has given Copenhagen and Amsterdam official assurances that the US will expedite approval of all necessary third-party requests to transfer aircraft to Ukraine for Kyiv to receive after pilot training is completed. The agency notes that Denmark and the Netherlands, which lead the pilot training coalition, have recently requested such assurances.
US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken sent letters to his Danish and Dutch counterparts, reassuring them that the requests would be approved, a Reuters source said .
“I am writing to express the full support of the United States for both the transfer of F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine and the training of Ukrainian pilots by qualified F-16 instructors,” the agency quotes from Blinken’s letter to two officials.
The Secretary of State also wrote that the approval of third party requests would allow Ukraine "to take full advantage of its new capabilities once the first set of pilots complete their training."
White House National Security Council Strategic Communications Coordinator John Kirby said earlier that the United States and partners are working on ways to transfer F-16s to Ukraine from third countries. “We want to do it as soon as possible,” Kirby said on CNN (quoted by RIA Novosti ).
He also said that Washington expects to start training Ukrainian pilots to fly these fighters "relatively soon."
https://www.rbc.ru/politics/18/08/2023/64de88499a794743ed9a85fc
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #47
Arkanghelsk Fri Aug 18, 2023 6:18 am
F16 can be datalinked with E3 AWACS
Meaning they will have the picture of everything which is occurring
Their strikes can be timed with lack of air coverage, and F16 can provide CAS support for attacking Ukrainian troops
If they are layered with BUK , then VKS has to potentially expose themselves to SAM fire when they hunt the F16
It will require tweaking tactical systems
Because for sure the spring counter counter counter offensive of the Ukrainians will be protected by F16 CAS
It means KA52 and MI28 have to be careful
It means Su34 using FAB must also be careful that Ukrainians don't fire AMRAAM from 70km
It means that VKS will be more involved in protecting active defense positions
It's not so simple to dismiss it offhand as a "wunderwaffe"
Don't underestimate the enemy, they have surprised before
Meaning they will have the picture of everything which is occurring
Their strikes can be timed with lack of air coverage, and F16 can provide CAS support for attacking Ukrainian troops
If they are layered with BUK , then VKS has to potentially expose themselves to SAM fire when they hunt the F16
It will require tweaking tactical systems
Because for sure the spring counter counter counter offensive of the Ukrainians will be protected by F16 CAS
It means KA52 and MI28 have to be careful
It means Su34 using FAB must also be careful that Ukrainians don't fire AMRAAM from 70km
It means that VKS will be more involved in protecting active defense positions
It's not so simple to dismiss it offhand as a "wunderwaffe"
Don't underestimate the enemy, they have surprised before
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Jamming systems will become much more important then. As well, they will be moving advanced AD systems closer as well. So the west still is inching closer to disaster on themselves.
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Arkanghelsk wrote:F16 can be datalinked
I didn't mean datalink autism. I mean what missions they would do.
Don't underestimate the enemy, they have surprised before
The only thing anyone underestimated was their desire to die. From the start of the war till now, this has been their only strength.
I used to think that this talk about how inappropriate the F-16 was for this war was kind of bullshit but it actually seems to be true.
https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2023/04/26/if-russia-pollutes-the-runways-the-us-f-16-becomes-unusable/
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Test-fire an unarmed long range Iskander from a Russian base traveling throughout the whole Northern European airspace and diving in the Atlantic as an ultimate warning signal!
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Kiko wrote:Test-fire an unarmed long range Iskander from a Russian base traveling throughout the whole Northern European airspace and diving in the Atlantic as an ultimate warning signal!
Even better would be to tow a hulk into the middle of the Atlantic and then sink it within minutes from a single precision strike...
Paint "USS Gerald Ford" onto its hull in great huge white letters and televise the moment of impact.
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Sprut-B wrote:
Backman wrote:Someone should put little flags or circles in the clip to show whats going on
X posts deleted it seems... must have offended some blue-haired trans-lesbian liberast on the "moderation team"...
Fckers. It is spiteful sht like this that will make the inevitable Russian VICTORY all the more sweeter. Eat sht you Atlantacist cnts. The bank of Karma just called, and they are foreclosing on your account.
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Military Summery covers the T-90 in this video. 5:50 in. He points it out
Russian communication must be pretty good considering how close the tank is getting to their artillery fire. It is almost like they know what they're doing.
Russian communication must be pretty good considering how close the tank is getting to their artillery fire. It is almost like they know what they're doing.
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Arkanghelsk wrote:So the US approved F16, this is big
Won't get them in until next year
Either way, they would have to fly them from bases that have runways, and I'm sure everything is gonna get slammed now
Rather wrap this up fast before it gets to point where nuclear can be an option
And I have a driver license so I am approved to drive any motor vehicle but you won't see me at the race track. Yeah, I mean good on the Seanpennwaffe getting the F-16, but remember, only 8 pilots speak English enough to learn how to fly it. The logistics for the planes would be easy to smash, and they're basically sitting ducks. I for one am hoping to see them and Abrams and Challengers in Ukraine sooner rather than later because once these things end up in Russian museums the sooner America demands peace. I don't know if any of you guys have ever seen Southpark, but America is a lot like Cartman. A foulmouthed, uncouth bully. There was this one episode where Cartman says he is going to kick Kyle's ass and then Kyle slaps him and he starts crying. Same thing with the American mystique. Take out the Abrams and down the F-16 and Americans will call for peace. This thing won't go nuclear if you can knock out these invincible wonderwaffles.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #47
PapaDragon Fri Aug 18, 2023 10:23 am
Arkanghelsk wrote:F16 can be datalinked with E3 AWACS
Meaning they will have the picture of everything which is occurring ....
They already have the picture of everything which is occurring and much more
Where have you been living for past two years?
Arkanghelsk wrote:...Don't underestimate the enemy, they have surprised before ...
Only when Russians fùcked up fully and completely on the most simple and predictable things
Don't fùck up fully and completely on the most simple and predictable things and there will be zero issues
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F-16's where always going to come. They are just another problem to find a solution for, and the West knows they will get shot down like any other aircraf the Ukranians operate. How big of a problem they will be, will depend on a lot of factors, but they wont be changing any game.
That the approval comes now seems to me like a desperate and overdue morale booster for Ukrainian military leadership, who must not be in a good place mentally right now, with some maybe contemplating stopping offensive actions completely.
That the approval comes now seems to me like a desperate and overdue morale booster for Ukrainian military leadership, who must not be in a good place mentally right now, with some maybe contemplating stopping offensive actions completely.
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The issue is that obviously not all Romanians who are filming share Ukrainian position 
In one of the films, the guy clearly cheers incoming Geranium with loud applause of his and his colleagues in the background when the drone hits the target.
In one of the films, the guy clearly cheers incoming Geranium with loud applause of his and his colleagues in the background when the drone hits the target.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #47
flamming_python Fri Aug 18, 2023 2:21 pm
ALAMO wrote:The issue is that obviously not all Romanians who are filming share Ukrainian position
In one of the films, the guy clearly cheers incoming Geranium with loud applause of his and his colleagues in the background when the drone hits the target.
Yup and they seem to be placing bets on when the 'boom' will happen
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Arkanghelsk wrote:F16 can be datalinked with E3 AWACS
Meaning they will have the picture of everything which is occurring
Their strikes can be timed with lack of air coverage, and F16 can provide CAS support for attacking Ukrainian troops
If they are layered with BUK , then VKS has to potentially expose themselves to SAM fire when they hunt the F16
It will require tweaking tactical systems
Because for sure the spring counter counter counter offensive of the Ukrainians will be protected by F16 CAS
It means KA52 and MI28 have to be careful
It means Su34 using FAB must also be careful that Ukrainians don't fire AMRAAM from 70km
It means that VKS will be more involved in protecting active defense positions
It's not so simple to dismiss it offhand as a "wunderwaffe"
Don't underestimate the enemy, they have surprised before
For the 100 times just take a fucking map.
Awacs fly in Romania. Their range which is at max 500km IMO against very big RCS means they don't know what is happening in the east. At such long range even the dumbest jamming will affect their detection. Forget about it detecting cruise missiles.
Ukro enjoy some HUMINT and satelitte detection to know when the bears and mig-31K take off and can predict more or less when cruise missiles will come vut they have no means to track them.
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