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Russian special military operation in Ukraine #47

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Arkanghelsk Fri Aug 18, 2023 11:10 pm

Deployment of F16 will be difficult

You need nice runways and Russia will hit every single runway available

Flying them from Romania makes them useless as the combat range is significantly shortened, and using fuel tanks can give better ranges, but payload would be too low to be useful

Flying them for CAS would require basing close to Ukrainian front line, where Buk and Pantsir are going to be the main threats, even S300VM in Crimea and in Minsk or S400 which can see into Ukraine

Plus if you base them so close, iskander will visit it

All in all, it will be a threat, but not a game changer

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sepheronx Sat Aug 19, 2023 1:40 am

mnztr wrote:After watching all the drones fly into bunkers, I wonder how soon it will be before a drone with AI flys into a bunker and demands the surrender of everyone. Surrender or I will explode. There is no other option. Touch the drone or shoot it and it will explode, run and it will explode. Surrender or die. The benefit is you can use the drone again!!! And after a few vids of exploding drones killing everyone I would bet surrender rates would get close to 100%. You can even get the surrendering troops to deliver the drone as their secure IFF token so they don't get killed trying to surrender. A nice female motherly voice. I bet it would work really well.

Flying ED209's?

You have 25 seconds to comply.

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Backman Sat Aug 19, 2023 2:13 am

GarryB wrote:

Germany sent Taurus missiles to Ukraine.

Not sure about that but France has sent their version of Storm Shadow.

Regarding what the Russian forces should do... I would say keep the pressure on and if they see an opportunity to advance

There is an argument that big arrow offensives with the intention of creating big encirclements will actually save lives rather than continue like this indefinitely. I sort of see the logic in that and they probably will do that eventually. Defending head to head like this isn't casualty free. Russia should go big arrow before waiting for Ukraine to train and arm a 4th army.

Maybe this winter after the ground freezes

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Backman Sat Aug 19, 2023 2:34 am

Arrow wrote:

Yes, NATO/USA has an overwhelming tactical air superiority over Russia.

Bullshit. You cant just add up F-16s from countries around the world and call it one air force and say therefore it is overwhelming compared to Russia's.

Russia has 800 4th gen heavy fighters of various types in service. Does Europe have any F-15 heavy fighters ? According to wikipeida, it doesn't. There is one US air force fighter wing in Europe with F-15's

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Arrow Sat Aug 19, 2023 3:24 am

Russia has 800 4th gen heavy fighters of various types in service. Does Europe have any F-15 heavy fighters ? wrote:

Where are those 800 gen 4 fighters? Can you give specific numbers?

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mnztr Sat Aug 19, 2023 3:29 am

sepheronx wrote:

Flying ED209's?

You have 25 seconds to comply.

Kinda yes. also think of all the tanks and APCs you can capture. If they don't drive as directed everyone in the tank or APC dies.

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Big_Gazza Sat Aug 19, 2023 5:03 am

mnztr wrote:After watching all the drones fly into bunkers, I wonder how soon it will be before a drone with AI flys into a bunker and demands the surrender of everyone. Surrender or I will explode. There is no other option. Touch the drone or shoot it and it will explode, run and it will explode. Surrender or die. The benefit is you can use the drone again!!! And after a few vids of exploding drones killing everyone I would bet surrender rates would get close to 100%. You can even get the surrendering troops to deliver the drone as their secure IFF token so they don't get killed trying to surrender. A nice female motherly voice. I bet it would work really well.

Better yet, project a holographic image of Medvedev or Surovikin with a suitably trolling message. Kiss yer faggot arses goodbye, khokhol scum. 3... 2... 1... Razz

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Backman Sat Aug 19, 2023 5:36 am

Arrow wrote:

Where are those 800 gen 4 fighters? Can you give specific numbers?

There are various rankings and stuff online. Even Wikipedia doesn't have that bad of a inventory list. It is a mix because the su 34 is a heavy fighter but an attack aircraft.

https://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.php?country_id=russia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Russian_military_aircraft

I am just saying , Russia has a lot of heavy aircraft. The advantage the west has isn't overwhelming. Especially considering Russia counteracts the western fleet with air defense. Russia has 2000 s-300 launchers. And 456 s-400 transporter/erector/launchers. In would not be a walk-over for the west

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par far Sat Aug 19, 2023 6:35 am

Video footage of Putin visiting the headquarters of the SMO group in Rostov-on-Don

https://t.me/intelslava/50648

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ALAMO Sat Aug 19, 2023 8:08 am

Backman wrote:

Arrow wrote:

Yes, NATO/USA has an overwhelming tactical air superiority over Russia.

Bullshit. You cant just add up F-16s from countries around the world and call it one air force and say therefore it is overwhelming compared to Russia's.

Russia has 800 4th gen heavy fighters of various types in service. Does Europe have any F-15 heavy fighters ? According to wikipeida, it doesn't. There is one US air force fighter wing in Europe with F-15's

Russkie have a few hundred planes that outguns everything that NATO has.
Plus formidable air defense that can take out any recon plane at its maximal operational distance.
Is there any key for this di#ck measure contest?

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Isos Sat Aug 19, 2023 10:36 am

F-16 will be a pain in the ass when using cruise missiles, gliding bombs or HARM which will be more effective than launched blindly from mig-29s.

But that won't be a game chabger.

A good thibg would be if they manage to pay a pilot to bring one in russia like israeli did with a syrian pilot of mig-21.

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SeigSoloyvov Sat Aug 19, 2023 11:59 am

ALAMO wrote:

Backman wrote:

Arrow wrote:

Yes, NATO/USA has an overwhelming tactical air superiority over Russia.

Bullshit. You cant just add up F-16s from countries around the world and call it one air force and say therefore it is overwhelming compared to Russia's.

Russia has 800 4th gen heavy fighters of various types in service. Does Europe have any F-15 heavy fighters ? According to wikipeida, it doesn't. There is one US air force fighter wing in Europe with F-15's

Russkie have a few hundred planes that outguns everything that NATO has.
Plus formidable air defense that can take out any recon plane at its maximal operational distance.
Is there any key for this di#ck measure contest?

Outguns everything we have is a copium.

Do they have planes that are superior to F16? sure they do but not that many.

Also you keep hyping Russian AD but the fact is Ukraine has managed to bypass it, Russian AD is not godly and can be defeated would be hard sure but to sit there and act as if its GG just because of that is so misguided

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JohninMK Sat Aug 19, 2023 12:08 pm

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Explosion in Chernihiv , - media

An air alert has been declared in Kyiv and the northern regions of Ukraine.

The center of Chernihiv is under fire, probably from a ballistic missile, the OVA said.

#source:
https://t.me/WarDonbass/126016

Chernihiv Blow "Iskander" in the city center. Preliminary on the building of the SBU

There are many ambulances at the place of arrival, the rubble is being cleared

#source:
https://t.me/rezervsvo/26016

Three powerful explosions were heard in Chernihiv

The explosions were preceded by a missile threat announced by the Ukrainian authorities.

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AMCXXL Sat Aug 19, 2023 12:36 pm

https://twitter.com/The_Lookout_N/status/1692845749107614056?s=20

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Regular Sat Aug 19, 2023 12:50 pm

Russian special military operation in Ukraine #47 - Page 18 Img_1010

It’s official: Russian forces receive new combat uniforms and will begin their move to Multicam camouflage.

G99 (Triada) worked with RU MOD last year in order to develop a new series of combat uniforms, dubbed VKPO 3.0, which have already been put into active service.

https://twitter.com/JughaFedayi/status/1692545844908634557?s=20

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JohninMK Sat Aug 19, 2023 12:52 pm

So it looks like casualties are now higher in the 18 months of the SMO in Ukraine than either the UK or US suffered in WW2 Shocked

Russian special military operation in Ukraine #47 - Page 18 F34KxJwXEAEb96G?format=jpg&name=small

7. United Kingdom: Around 450,000 casualties, including soldiers and civilians.

8. USA: About 400,000 casualties, mainly soldiers engaged in combat.

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Arrow Sat Aug 19, 2023 1:00 pm

Soltsy air base, Tu-22M3 are stationed Shocked

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kvs Sat Aug 19, 2023 1:13 pm

The US and UK estimates are false because they include injuries. The KIA is closer to 400,000 and the injuries are about
twice that. The reason that the ratio is not three or higher is because the dominant fraction of the Ukr losses are from
artillery and not small arms fire.

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George1 Sat Aug 19, 2023 1:30 pm

JohninMK wrote:So it looks like casualties are now higher in the 18 months of the SMO in Ukraine than either the UK or US suffered in WW2

7. United Kingdom: Around 450,000 casualties, including soldiers and civilians.

8. USA: About 400,000 casualties, mainly soldiers engaged in combat.

Title says that deaths and injuries combined number is 500.000. Not only deaths

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AMCXXL Sat Aug 19, 2023 1:34 pm

kvs wrote:The US and UK estimates are false because they include injuries. The KIA is closer to 400,000 and the injuries are about
twice that. The reason that the ratio is not three or higher is because the dominant fraction of the Ukr losses are from
artillery and not small arms fire.

there are 300000 obituaries found online, probably much more unknow and "dissapeared" or volatilized

the numner of WIA propably is double. some pf the disabled or permanently damaged

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mnztr Sat Aug 19, 2023 2:47 pm

kvs wrote:The US and UK estimates are false because they include injuries. The KIA is closer to 400,000 and the injuries are about
twice that. The reason that the ratio is not three or higher is because the dominant fraction of the Ukr losses are from
artillery and not small arms fire.

In most modern wars artillery is the key source of injuries. In WWII 75% of German casualties were from artillery, .

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Dr.Snufflebug Sat Aug 19, 2023 3:01 pm

Chernigov hosted a forum for various Ukrainian terror drone developers and manufacturers today, dubbed "Angry Birds", in the Shevchenko theater.

It was Iskandered (or Kinzhaled). Angry carrot.

Meanwhile, someone tired with things set fire to a munitions storage compound in Kiev. Big blasts.

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kvs Sat Aug 19, 2023 3:27 pm

mnztr wrote:

kvs wrote:The US and UK estimates are false because they include injuries. The KIA is closer to 400,000 and the injuries are about
twice that. The reason that the ratio is not three or higher is because the dominant fraction of the Ukr losses are from
artillery and not small arms fire.

In most modern wars artillery is the key source of injuries. In WWII 75% of German casualties were from artillery, .

The WIA to KIA ratios being flung include three and higher based on Vietnam and other such conflicts.

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Hole Sat Aug 19, 2023 4:33 pm

So it looks like casualties are now higher in the 18 months of the SMO in Ukraine than either the UK or US suffered in WW2

The US and UK didn´t fight against Russians. Wink

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JohninMK Sat Aug 19, 2023 4:44 pm

AMCXXL wrote:

kvs wrote:The US and UK estimates are false because they include injuries. The KIA is closer to 400,000 and the injuries are about
twice that.

there are 300000 obituaries found online, probably much more unknow and "dissapeared" or volatilized

the numner of WIA propably is double. some pf the disabled or permanently damaged

I put up my post not because the Ukrainian casualty figures were accurate, we know that they are not. I put it up because by the West's own figures, a significant milepost has been passed.

Yet no-one, even those wanting peace, is drawing attention to this very inconvenient fact.

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