Russian special military operation in Ukraine #47

flamming_python wrote:Here it comes, the rationalization for you switching sides or dodging the draft or escaping to some Thailand with your money or whatever

Spare us, we don't care

You don't understand flamming, the war is lost. Zelensky the Magnificent is marching on Moscow as we speak to arrest Putin the Terrible and bring him to the Hague while ethnic Russians in the Donbass rejoice as benevolent Azov nazis free them from Russian occupation and terrorism.



Slava Ukraini!

Around 16.00, two Su-34 aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces fired four X-35 missiles into the Nikolaev area. As a result of successful hits, 2 Ukrainian S-300 launchers were destroyed, as well as a radar station and a command post.

https://t.me/geromanat/9060

The jet was bombed, SBU will take credit soon.

Again, Russia is too lenient. Ukraine *is* ISIS, and should be treated as such.

JohninMK wrote:There are so many of these now that I am only going to post the exceptional one. Like this SPG stay to the end, a bit of area demolition.

No worries, i got it summarized



Various RF suicide drone strikes in the Zaporozhye region

JohninMK wrote:Around 16.00, two Su-34 aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces fired four X-35 missiles into the Nikolaev area. As a result of successful hits, 2 Ukrainian S-300 launchers were destroyed, as well as a radar station and a command post.

https://t.me/geromanat/9060

Fighterbomber proved we both were correct yesterday Su-30SM destroyed one boat and Mig-29k did it but another one - and the this was hit by a missile there were 3 boats destroyed


What worries me is so many boats there so close to Crimea...

thegopnik wrote:Are we even sure it was an s-300 or s-400 and not some random vehicle blowing up? I don't want people to go mis-identify an su-57 was shot down with an f-16 when it was a su-27.

Russian sources state that S-300 and fuel tanker were hit. No confirmation of what was used. Not HIMARS obviously (due to location)

Regular wrote:

thegopnik wrote:Are we even sure it was an s-300 or s-400 and not some random vehicle blowing up? I don't want people to go mis-identify an su-57 was shot down with an f-16 when it was a su-27.

Russian sources state that S-300 and fuel tanker were hit. No confirmation of what was used. Not HIMARS obviously (due to location)

a Brimstone from those boats cruising around Crimea ?

Bulgarian defence minister states Bulgaria will transfer armour to Ukraine at the end of the year.

But don't get too excited They plan to send 100 BTR-60, yes u read right 100 BTR-60 Yeah a real game changer

GunshipDemocracy wrote:a Brimstone from those boats cruising around Crimea ?

Yes, that was, most probably, the case . Fighter-bomber has a video released by Ukrainians. 
https://t.me/fighter_bomber/13746

JohninMK wrote:Around 16.00, two Su-34 aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces fired four X-35 missiles into the Nikolaev area. As a result of successful hits, 2 Ukrainian S-300 launchers were destroyed, as well as a radar station and a command post.

https://t.me/geromanat/9060

Get S-300 destroyed, destroy their S-300 on the same day. I am growing suspicious that they don't even want to win his war if they could have destroyed the S-300 any other day.

Rare footage of su 34 dropping Fab 500. Look at the size of the wings

https://t.me/zoka200/14760

Yeah, If the Russians found and took out some s300 that easy, the question is why did they only do it now..... should have been done asap.

Russia is always one step too late in this war. The disappointing performance continues. What they’re letting Ukraine get away with is head scratching…

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Yeah, If the Russians found and took out some s300 that easy, the question is why did they only do it now..... should have been done asap.

Maybe they didn't want Ukr to know that they knew they were there. Who the hell knows. They had a reason

As you might expect: the Ukrainian side has published footage of a strike on an air defense positioning area on Cape Tarkhankut. Only the S-300 SAMs, not S-400s, and a gasoline tanker were hit, but it is interesting that the destruction of the SAMs was caught on the camera of a UAV.

Looks like a single missile launcher vehicle was hit.... big deal.

India - laughs at our space program, robs us on oil
China - literally skipped our BRICS speech

India and China are buying the oil and gas that Europe used to buy from you so they are keeping your energy exports going... there were discounts to start with because there was no infrastructure or support for transporting oil and gas in such volumes to India and China the way there are pipes to do so to Europe.

More importantly when oil and gas is piped to Europe transit countries make lots of money on every litre you send so Ukraine and Poland etc etc are making money when you export energy to Europe... well now exporting oil and gas to China means ship owners are making the money transporting the goods and many of those ships are owned by Russian companies who bought them from the European countries that used to ship Russian oil and gas but can't now for risk of sanctions by the US, so they sold their ships to Russian oil companies cheaply.

The discounts on the oil did not include discounts on shipping which they would have made a good profit on that goes to them and not Ukraine or Poland or any other EU state.

Those discounts will be gone soon if they are not already gone... they were only to help the transition to dealing with a large increase in energy volumes.

They would have had very serious problems with out India and China stepping up like they did, but of course India and China are making money out of this too. So everyone wins... except the west.

Let us not speak of the west now, let us stick with the ridicule we receive from our own partners

As bad as you claim they are, they are still not actively trying to murder your people and destroy your economy and military and erase you from world history.

Too much crying, dooming like a child.

Exactly. This is a war and in war there are losses... if you fall to pieces every time the enemy gets something right then you will lose because getting rid of the leadership every week is not how you run anything at all... from a military to a country to a ship... even to a household or a company.

Putin is such a failure as leader during this war. An embarrassment.

He is the president of the country, his concerns are about the lives of his military but also about the country and its future.

The territory of the Ukraine might change is name and lots of people might flee to the west, but Kiev and other regions are not moving anywhere at any time... there will be a time after the war where both sides will reflect on what they did or didn't do... right now Russia can reflect it used minimum force and killed less civilians that Kiev has... in fact there are less civilian deaths in the Ukraine than most American states in terms of car accidents and homicides over the same period. Kiev on the other hand can reflect that its attacks on Russian military forces were largely ineffective and the vast majority of their kills have been terrorist like actions using suicide drones and suicide bombers...

Putin got Russia to the point where it could fight and win in Europe... if you had said that in 2000 everyone would have laughed at you because despite its enormous potential, Russia was in a very bad place.

Soldiers didn't even have matching uniforms... and I mean each soldier had different camouflage on his pants and his jacket that didn't match anyone else in his squad.

No one would even consider sending anything to the moon then.

Russian sources state that S-300 and fuel tanker were hit. No confirmation of what was used. Not HIMARS obviously (due to location)

To destroy a fuel tanker and a S-300 TEL you would only need small shaped charges to ignite the fuel and one missile respectively and as they burn and explode they will set off the rest of the fuel and the other missiles respectively.

An S-300 is about 1.5 tons of solid rocket fuel and about 150kgs of HE warhead and splinters... but the HE warheads would probably just burn.

Rare footage of su 34 dropping Fab 500. Look at the size of the wings

FAB-500 are conventional HE bombs... those either have a glide kit or a gliding bombs...

Russia is always one step too late in this war. The disappointing performance continues. What they’re letting Ukraine get away with is head scratching…

Yeah, must be why the Ukrainians are winning so comfortably...

If you knew Sam's are there you destroy them asap otherwise you risk you aircraft and men needlessly, this time s common sense 101, I sure do hope the Russians only just found them otherwise if I was a pilot I'd be pissed the brass is playing games with my ass that don't need to be played, or would you rather tell some family 'sorrie we knew the sam was there but we didn't wajt Ukraine to know we knew and we didn't destroy it and that sam killed yoyr husband/son'

Various RF suicide drone strikes in the Zaporozhye region

So the Russians are hunting down single soldiers with their suicide drones by now.
Which means the production is through the roof.

What worries me is so many boats there so close to Crimea...

They have to distract from their failed "counter-offensive" and the debacle around Kupyansk.

They plan to send 100 BTR-60

Better armed than the Strykers. 

Maybe they didn't want Ukr to know that they knew they were there. 

Maybe those things were hiding in some warehouse in the last months?

FAB-500 are conventional HE bombs... those either have a glide kit or a gliding bombs...

It seems the UMPK modification is now so common that most of the time commentators forget to mention the modification at all.

mnztr wrote:

Backman wrote:Col Douglas Mcgregor made a point about the Abrams. The turbine engine is running full throttle all the time. This makes them glow like a candle on infrared sights. He said the infrared can be seen from low earth orbit

Col Doug does embellish things a bit. The tank does not run at full throttle all the time. BUT Turbines are notoriously inefficient at low load. So at idle they use about 40l/hour at idle and 120l/hour on road and 240;/hour off road. It takes about 6L just to start the MOFO.

AND it has an APU for when it's idle.

US intervenes in Ukrainian offensive, by Alexey Nechaev, Andrey Rezchikov for VZGLYAD. 08.24.2023.

In the United States decided to name the main culprit of the failure of the Ukrainian "counterattack".

A series of publications were published in the Western press criticizing the Ukrainian counteroffensive. The main dissatisfaction boils down to the fact that the Armed Forces of Ukraine divided their forces in the southern and eastern directions, and did not form a powerful shock fist near Melitopol and Berdyansk. How will the tactical pattern of the Armed Forces of Ukraine change after this criticism, and what should Russia do if the enemy starts implementing a new approach?

During the counter-offensive, the Armed Forces of Ukraine divided their forces equally in the southern and eastern directions, but the United States does not agree with such tactics. The New York Times (NYT) writes about this   , citing sources. As a result, significant forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are located in the area of ​​Artemivsk and other cities of Donbass, and not near Melitopol and Berdyansk, which are much more important from a strategic point of view.

As a result, American specialists advised Ukraine to concentrate on advancing towards Melitopol and breaking through Russian  minefields , even if the Ukrainians would lose more soldiers and equipment in the process. “Only a change of tactics and drastic steps can change the pace of the counteroffensive,” one official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

The NYT gives other details of how the actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine look in the eyes of NATO. In particular, on August 10, a video conference was held with the participation of the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (CNS) of the US Armed Forces, General Mark Milley, his British colleague Admiral Tony Radakin, and NATO Commander-in-Chief in Europe Christopher Cavoli, during which they urged the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Valery Zaluzhny to concentrate forces on one sector of the front. Zaluzhny allegedly agreed.

“According to American military doctrine, the main efforts and resources should be directed to one direction, and only auxiliary forces should be left in other sectors of the front in order to protect themselves from a breakthrough and disperse enemy forces,” the NYT authors add. However, Ukraine does not use this tactic, they assure.

“Ukraine's constant attention to Artemivsk, where one of the bloodiest battles of the conflict has already unfolded, has baffled US intelligence and military officials. Ukraine has invested huge resources in the defense of Donbass, and President Volodymyr Zelensky does not want to give the impression that he is giving up on trying to regain lost territories. But American officials believe that politics should take a backseat, at least temporarily, to give way to military strategy.

The next problem of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is the coming autumn and rainy weather: if the Ukrainians do not break through the Russian defensive lines in the coming weeks, then in the future the mud will make it difficult for them to advance. And an even bigger problem, the NYT notes, concerns the fact that the strike forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine can simply run out of steam by the middle or end of September.

In parallel with this, criticism of the Armed Forces of Ukraine appeared on the pages of  The Wall Street Journal  (WSJ). “According to all the canons of military science, the Ukrainian counteroffensive should not have been launched. For such an initiative, we need to have a force three times larger than the opponent, have an advantage in artillery and control in the air. None of this was observed, ”the WSJ quotes the words of one of the Ukrainian military.

President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky reacted to these publications, who on Wednesday rejected the idea of ​​​​deploying troops from east to south. According to him, there are "approximately 200,000 Russian troops" in the east. “A couple of days, and (the Russians will take) Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, then they will go to Pavlograd, the Dnieper, cut off the banks. But we will not allow this, and let all the analysts of the world do not even count on it,” Zelensky said.

However, the problem is that among these "analysts", according to The New York Times, the names of Milli, Radakina and Cavoli appear, that is, the leading NATO military. According to experts, such audacity of Zelensky can play a cruel joke on him, because the West will not take responsibility for the failure of the counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, even if it is the West that is to blame.

“The entire Ukrainian army is under the direct control of the United States. What the NYT writes is nonsense. The entire operation was prepared at NATO headquarters. And the recent meeting with the participation of Milli and Zaluzhny suggests that there was and could not be any initiative on the part of the Armed Forces of Ukraine,” military expert Alexei Leonkov points out.

Such articles in the Western press are an attempt by Washington to distance itself from the failure of the Ukrainian “counterattack,” the expert believes. “During the summer, the Armed Forces of Ukraine hit the same places, losing personnel and armored vehicles. This is the result of the implementation of the installation of the American command. They wanted to tie down our forces in the Donbass and Kharkiv region by making a breakthrough in the south to cut the land corridor with Crimea,” Leonkov recalled. -

But the plan failed because we outplayed the enemy.”

Military expert Mikhail Onufrienko agrees that the Armed Forces of Ukraine exactly carried out the orders of the United States to launch a counteroffensive in the Zaporozhye direction. Therefore, “the Americans are now pretending that they were not listened to in Kyiv, and are trying to blame all their failures on the Ukrainian command, creating informational noise.”

“And what is happening now in the Donbass, in the Artemovsk region, near Kupyansk, these are forced measures. The Armed Forces of Ukraine are sending reinforcements there to thwart our advance. Russian troops began to move forward, created a military foothold on the right bank of the Zherebets River north of Makeevka, reached the village of Sinkovka, and imposed hostilities. If the reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine had not been transferred there, now the battles would go for Kupyansk,” Onufrienko believes.

“The West is really trying to cover up its guilt for the failure of the counteroffensive. Yes, sometimes Zaluzhny tries to get away from NATO standards, but due to the lack of equipment, his plans are also impossible to implement. Therefore, attempts to revive the counter-offensive have not yet been successful,” adds Anatoly Matviychuk, a retired colonel and military expert.

According to Leonkov, now the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not have the opportunity to form a new shock fist. And the previous fist, which consisted of almost 12 brigades, did not cope with its tasks and could not really reach the first line of defense of the Russian Armed Forces. “The Ukrainian army failed to implement the plan that NATO came up with. They have neither weapons nor qualified personnel for this, ”the expert emphasizes.

If the Armed Forces of Ukraine nevertheless reduce their groupings of troops in the Donbass, standing there in a dead-end defense, then they will not be able to transfer the required number of troops to the south and achieve a result. Moreover, they will no longer be able to control the entire line of contact, and the Russian army will definitely take advantage of the gaps that have arisen.

“The layered defence was built by our troops because in some areas the enemy could have a sixfold advantage in manpower and armored vehicles. If the Armed Forces of Ukraine begin to transfer the most capable military units to the south, then they may not be able to hold a blank defense along the entire line of contact. Already now the line of their defense is being broken in the area of ​​Kupyansk,” Leonkov points out.

Onufrienko is convinced that if the Armed Forces of Ukraine begin to transfer their forces from the Donbass to the Zaporozhye Front, then "we will start fighting for Kupyansk and go to Oskol - which means the tactical encirclement of Seversk." “In addition, the tactics and strategy of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have not changed, there is nothing new in their actions. If they cannot transfer troops, then they will have to retreat, ”the expert believes. In addition, according to Leonkov, the tactics of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the use of small mobile groups did not justify itself.

“What they did last fall in the Kharkiv region is rather an exception to the rule. At that time, we did not have a continuous layered defense, a sufficient number of military units and an unlimited amount of ammunition. There was no clear coordinated interaction between military units. This is what the enemy took advantage of, ”the expert says.

When the Armed Forces of Ukraine attacked the Kharkiv sector, they did not even count on such a result, it just so happened that entire areas of the area had no cover. “This was their only success, which they could not repeat during the counteroffensive. The NATO bloc has no solutions on how to break our line of defense. In any case, not yet. And for us, this is a big plus that we should take advantage of,” Leonkov summed up.

https://vz.ru/society/2023/8/24/1227056.html

A classic example of throwing your life away or perhaps more accurately, having it thrown away by senior officers. Probably after enduring a long journey over open sea in a sooped up rubber dingy, OK RIB. One can only assume that these were highly trained by SBS or SEAL operatives who were then pissed against the wall.


Four boats with Ukrainian saboteurs were destroyed near Cape Tarkhankut in the west of Crimea. Russian security forces eliminated the DRG at sea at about four in the morning. Members of this group previously opened fire on a campsite with people in Olenevka, according to the Shot Telegram channel.

According to preliminary data, about 15-20 people were liquidated in total. There is no official information.

#source

@Slavyangrad

Mir wrote:
AND it has an APU for when it's idle.

He covered that point, bear in mind he was a top Abrams operating Colonel. Can't remember his exact words but he was pretty dismissive of its use in a fighting environment when any risk of needing to move.

There is never any balance in discussion of western military equipment. It is all ultimate wonder waffle that is going to game change Russia
into epic losses. The Abrams is just another tank and not alien tech. It is also about 10 tons heavier than the Leopard-2 which is already
a problem for the local infrastructure.

The T-80 shares much the same problem as well, but they should keep it in service for future arctic operations. I was quite surprised to see the T-80's very early on during the SMO.

Norway to hand over its F 16 to Ukraine.

The Russian military attacked the decision-making center of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

MOSCOW, August 24 - RIA Novosti. The Russian military hit the decision-making center of the Ukrainian army, the Defense Ministry said .
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"Tonight, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation launched a group strike with long-range precision weapons, sea and land-based, at the decision-making center of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The purpose of the strike was achieved. The object was hit," the source said.

https://ria.ru/20230824/udar-1891955752.html


Why not SBU or other sabotage agencies directoriates ? they are special or what?