Russian special military operation in Ukraine #47

ALAMO wrote:
Sure that's right, yet you have missed a tiny point.
The cost of that.
All NATO countries are deep in debt. The construction of a surplus budget is unknown to them. Europe as a whole has an energy deficit and lacks a serious part of resources.
Russkie have a surplus budget for a while now. Their debt is smaller than accumulated reserves and mostly internal. They have an energy surplus and every single resource they can need.
Russias purchasing power is multiple times more than the west, and if you combine it with their allies that have even higher PPP leverage, the thing starts to be ridiculous.
In theory, 700 mln high technology economy should outrun them in a short time. In reality, they can't. Can't afford that. Nobody will finance that, because they don't have the money. For Europe, any military production will be even more expensive than it was.
Poland is buying military hardware in Korea not because it is so fantastic, but because it is possible to do so. Germans don't produce tanks anymore. Neither the French. Nor Brits. Nor Italians. Last but not least, nor Muricans.
An arms race would mean the bankruptcy of the whole of the west.
That is only about the economy, and we haven't started to consider the human factor yet.

But such a war will not remain conventional for long since NATzO will start to lose and will resort to nukes. wrote:

JohninMK wrote:

Nail on the head there Alamo.

Whilst the US can just print money, for now, the rest of the West can't. For us there is an opportunity cost to producing more weapons/munitions, not spending that money on something that the society thinks is better, like health/education/pensions etc. In the UK they are sneaking a bit of money here and a bit there but not moving much outside the allowed budget. To compound the problem there are elections all over the place over the next 18 months.

d_taddei2 wrote:So Czech Republic is sending two batteries of Kub M2 to Ukraine and Slovakia will also bring send some. So what will the west be promising them in return? Russia knows the systems weakness so it shouldn't be too much of an issue. And I am pretty sure drones will be taking these out no problem.

ALAMO wrote:Tor. Greece doesn't have Buks as far as I remember, only some S-300PMU in Cyprus.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Its not an armor addition, basically you have muddy ground that isn't too deep you can put a log over it to stabilize the ground to cross

It is the propaganda of the West that always says that Russia will reach for nuclear weapons

It's cringe to listen to this guy. 

it does not magically translate into domestic production.

Begome wrote:

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:If you look at most Red Army offensives during ww2, you'll see that most of the time the Red Army had 3 to 1 numerical advantage over the Wehrmacht in both manpower and materiel.

Now the Russian army is trying to attack without significant numerical advantage.

Maybe it's time to use Russia's demographic advantage to the fullest?

Wrong.


And then there's the completely different dynamics of this war due to 80 years of technological development.

That said, it is still a good idea to increase RuAF size to 1.5 mln first and 2 mln over the coming few years IMO, which is being done.

kvs wrote:Comparing total population sizes is not a good way to assess production and technological capacity.   NATzO economies are service
sector and "financial industry" heavy with offshored manufacturing.   Even if the intellectual property supposedly resides in NATzO,
it does not magically translate into domestic production.   NATzO over-committed to globalism, Russia didn't.   As part of the US colonial
plan, comprador Yeltsin was in the process of destroying Russia's economy and in particular its MIC but he failed because 1) workers
kept working for no pay and thus maintained the physical economy (this is critical for the MIC sector) and 2) Putin came to power in
a type of coup after NATzO's gang rape of Serbia in early 1999.   The situation in Chechnya in 1999 was also critical and needed a
response ASAP to preserve the country as a viable political entity.   The Russian military and "siloviki" got their shit together and
unseated the rotten US stooge Yeltsin.   Putin enabled solution of the Chechnya problem and the oligarch 5th column problem.

So 700 vs 140 comparison needs a "PPP" adjustment to account for the distribution of MIC manufacturing jobs and capacity.  This "PPP"
factor is over 3 for sure.   But it is even worse for NATzO since its MIC is rotten to the core and milks the taxpayer.   They do not want
to increase production capacity since that drops their profits.   The do not want excess production capacity after the Ukr war is over.
Maybe if we have a full blown war between NATzO and Russia starting, then there will be a scramble for new production without brazen
profit seeking.   But such a war will not remain conventional for long since NATzO will start to lose and will resort to nukes.  

Hole wrote:

It is the propaganda of the West that always says that Russia will reach for nuclear weapons

Projection. An american speciality. There were voices in the US that wanted to use nuclear weapons even against countries such as North-Korea and Vietnam.

It's cringe to listen to this guy. 

Like Mercouris most of the time. Ukrainians say, Russians claim. 

it does not magically translate into domestic production.

West spend some extra billions in the last year and managed to raise ammo production from 19 to 24.000 rounds a month (according to Duran).

mnztr wrote:

Oh come.on. germany and europen make fantastic high tech machines.service industry was created as manufacturing is so freakin efficient and automated. Just compare how long russia takes to build a nuclear aub vs the usa. I am not saying russian subs are not incredible. Look at tesla look at space x. Look at german cars and airbus. Saying the west has no industrial capacity and cannot create more is nonaense