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    Post  Scorpius Tue Jun 21, 2022 7:11 am

    Roscosmos has signed a contract with IMBP RAS for research work on the development of technologies for deep space exploration. It will be dedicated to:

    📍 Study of radiation and hypomagnetic risks;
    📍 the use of information and communication technologies of medical and biological support;
    📍 development of life support biosystems;
    📍 studying the possibility of using artificial hibernation.

    One of its features is the use of mathematical modeling methods in the interests of space medicine. Mathematical models in the field of the radiation situation of deep space, the influence of hypomagnetic conditions on biological objects, the reaction of the cardiovascular system to artificial gravity conditions and other applied problems will allow us to find optimal solutions, the search for which experimentally may require lengthy and expensive research.

    This work should be a synthesis of knowledge and experience of specialists in various fields of science

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    Post  Scorpius Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:28 pm

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    Photo of the NEM module under construction (ROSS base module) and its stand-in for testing.

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    Post  Scorpius Sat Jul 02, 2022 1:38 pm


    Communication tunnels at the launch complex of the Angara rocket. The total length of the tunnels at the cosmodrome exceeds 9 kilometers. To understand the scale of construction and the amount of work needed.

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    Post  Gazputin Mon Jul 04, 2022 2:41 pm

    Over the weekend, I discussed with the general designer of orbital manned complexes and systems, twice Hero of the USSR Vladimir Alekseevich Solovyov and the chief designer of the new manned spacecraft "Oryol" Igor Igorevich Khamits two priorities of the russian orbital service station being created:

    1. We need to decide how manned orbital stations will be able to move in the form of manned spacecraft in long-distance space expeditions. That is, our new station in a more radiation-stressed polar orbit should work out technologies that in the future humanity will need for flights not around the Earth, but to the planets of the solar system.
    This is an interesting task for manned astronautics! Naturally, it will be necessary to create such a crew life support system that can be guaranteed to provide people on board the station with everything they need - food, water and fuel - without the need to constantly deliver all this by cargo ships from Earth.

    2. The new station will operate in orbit, from which the crew of its manned spacecraft will be able to visit our nuclear space tug "Zeus" to control the deployment of all its key elements and structures (first of all, giant radiators for discharging excess heat) until the reactor is turned on in a safe orbit of 800 km.

    ❗It should finally be recognized that long-range flights of people into outer space are impossible with the use of current "chemical" jet engines. Their power and fuel reserves will not be enough not only to return the manned mission, but even to ensure the initial stages of the flight.
    That is why it is necessary to find a solution on how to safely connect an orbital manned station and a nuclear tug.
    ‼Only the growing power of a nuclear tug is able to move a manned station in low Earth orbit to high orbits and into deep space.

    In my opinion, we are beginning to grope for a fundamentally new direction of manned space exploration, which will be inextricably linked with nuclear space energy.

    This is how our designers see in the draft design the appearance of the Russian orbital service station (ROSS) with new manned spacecraft "parked" to it, work on which is underway at the Rocket and Space Corporation ENERGIA.

    In turn, to move ROSS or its individual modules to other high orbits, including, as an option, the lunar one, the zeus interplanetary nuclear tug will be used, work on which is underway at our enterprises (Arsenal Design Bureau, St. Petersburg; Keldysh Center, Moscow), as well as at the enterprises of the Rosatom State Corporation.


    (btw does anyone know what the music is in that video of the tunnels ? - my demented pet Cockatiel loves it - he starts dancing to it )

    Rogozin is off to Vostochny next week - that can only mean the last story of the 17 floor Angara launch tower is going in

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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Jul 07, 2022 6:30 pm

    Glonass-K satellite successfully launched from Plesetsk cosmodrome

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    Post  Hole Thu Jul 07, 2022 8:35 pm

    Take a look at the sky. Under that weather conditions the Americans would likely postpone a launch.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Jul 14, 2022 2:32 pm

    Rogozin spoke about the future location of the ROSS station.

    Rogozin: ROSS station will be placed in the same orbit as the Zeus nuclear tug.

    MOSCOW, July 14 - RIA Novosti. The promising Russian Orbital Service Station (ROSS) will be placed in the same orbit from which the Zeus nuclear tug will send ships to the Moon and into deep space so that astronauts can serve it, Dmitry Rogozin, CEO of Roscosmos, told RIA Novosti.

    “If we talk about the final decision on the inclination of the orbit, then it depends on the following chain of factors. First, the orbital inclination of the station must be exactly the same as the inclination of the orbit of Zeus, and the inclination of the orbit of Zeus must be such as is necessary for its have from the point of view of the optimal departure trajectory to the Moon and beyond," Rogozin said .

    He clarified that he met with the leadership of the Energia Rocket and Space Corporation (RKK), which is preparing a draft design of ROSS, and discussed this issue. The new station may not be placed in the 97-98 degree orbit that was previously chosen. The orbit will also be high-latitude, but no longer polar, Rogozin explained.

    "In this regard, the station has the functionality to maintain the Zeus, ensuring and opening its panels, and at the same time delivering to it what needs to be towed. Naturally, in a non-operating state for the reactor. Then this station acquires another unique purpose, which we we see, it is very important from the point of view of manned cosmonautics," he added.

    Earlier, Rogozin said that cosmonauts would be able to move on a manned spacecraft between the promising Russian orbital station and the Zeus nuclear tug to control the assembly of the tug. Later, he told RIA Novosti that the cosmonauts would not only control the assembly from the ship, but would also be able to go into outer space to intervene in this process if necessary

    At present, the Energia Rocket and Space Corporation (RKK) is preparing a draft design of the Russian Orbital Service Station (ROSS). The preliminary design should be completed in the third quarter of 2023, after which the development of design documentation will begin. It was reported that the new station will fly in a high-latitude orbit with an inclination of 96-98 degrees, and not 51.6 degrees, like the ISS .

    The nuclear tug has been developed in Russia since 2010. Earlier, Yury Urlichich, First Deputy General Director of Roscosmos , spoke in one of his presentations about plans for the first flight into orbit in 2030 for flight tests. It was reported that the nuclear tug will be designed for flights to the moon and the planets of the solar system. It was named "Zeus", and the research and development work itself is called "Nuklon".

    The first Russian Zeus mission to Jupiter will take 50 months and will last from 2030 to 2034. Zeus and the payload module will be launched into orbit from the Vostochny cosmodrome on separate launch vehicles. They will dock, travel to the Moon, fly around it, and return to Earth . Then another payload module will dock to Zeus, after which the station will fly towards Venus, perform a gravity maneuver and head towards the moons of Jupiter. The mission will be fully automatic.


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    Post  owais.usmani Fri Jul 15, 2022 2:08 pm



    MOSCOW, July 15 - RIA Novosti. Former Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov will replace Dmitry Rogozin as head of Roskosmos, the corresponding decrees were signed by Russian President Vladimir Putin.
    The documents are published on the Kremlin website.

    I suspect PapaDragon will throw in a big party tonight! Very Happy

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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Jul 15, 2022 2:42 pm

    owais.usmani wrote:

    MOSCOW, July 15 - RIA Novosti. Former Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov will replace Dmitry Rogozin as head of Roskosmos, the corresponding decrees were signed by Russian President Vladimir Putin.
    The documents are published on the Kremlin website.

    I suspect PapaDragon will throw in a big party tonight! Very Happy

    Understatement of the year!!  Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

    I see this as a significant sign of support from the Russian gov for Roskosmos and Russia's space program. Borisov is a serious man, with a long military background and training in math & engineering IIRC. He looks like an ideal candidate for Director thumbsup

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    Post  Hole Fri Jul 15, 2022 4:18 pm

    This is a promotion for Borisov for the good work in the MIC in the last decade or so.

    Maybe Rogozin will become ambassador to the UN.  Very Happy

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    Post  Backman Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:03 pm

    Is Papadragon awake yet ? lol1

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Jul 15, 2022 10:46 pm

    owais.usmani wrote:
    MOSCOW, July 15 - RIA Novosti. Former Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov will replace Dmitry Rogozin as head of Roskosmos, the corresponding decrees were signed by Russian President Vladimir Putin.
    The documents are published on the Kremlin website.

    I suspect PapaDragon will throw in a big party tonight! Very Happy

    Backman wrote:Is Papadragon awake yet ? lol1

    Right here thumbsup drunken

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    Post  thegopnik Fri Jul 15, 2022 11:59 pm

    I will be in tears laughing getting myself drunk if Rogozin replaces Zelensky after the war lol1 lol1 lol1 lol1

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    Post  kvs Sat Jul 16, 2022 1:14 am

    Rogozin was not a technocrat but a fix it man and politician. He did the job of rescuing Roscosmos from the rot toilet it was in.
    Now a non-politician and proven good manager is taking over to do the long term job.

    Mercouris covered this shuffle in his latest video and it appears that the Russian MIC is going onto the command economy rails.
    No more fighting over profits at UralVagonZavod. I fully support this "commie" approach since what we see in NATO proves that
    privatization and bidding does not work at all. In fact, the private US MIC is acting like a shadow government pushing its profit
    interests through wars.

    People do not know what a free market it is. The car industry, the MIC and other "private" enterprise clusters are all oligopolies
    and are manipulated markets. A free market is when no producer can control the price through restriction of supply and collusion.
    A handful of megacorps have a clear incentive to collude and manipulate the market. Combine that with having only one customer,
    the government and you get total corruption.

    So the Russian "state planning" approach makes more sense since it leaves the government which is the source of all the money for
    the MIC in charge. No corrupt games and buying and selling of politicians for profits. The Russian taxpayer saves and Russia
    follows a stable mode of operation proven by the experience of the USSR. I would love to see exotic weapons systems make a
    come back. No grossly inflated prices means that they become affordable again.

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    Post  TMA1 Sat Jul 16, 2022 1:30 am

    kvs did a based. Therefore he get a call from based department.

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    Post  sepheronx Sat Jul 16, 2022 2:05 am

    I think they will do it far more efficient though than soviet times.

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    Post  thegopnik Sat Jul 16, 2022 2:07 am

    No one wants to know how hilarious it would be seeing reddit (pro-musk and pro-ukraine) lose their shit completely if Rogozin ran the country and even more hilarious if he has to deal with western leaders

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Jul 16, 2022 2:19 am

    kvs wrote:Rogozin was not a technocrat but a fix it man and politician.   He did the job of rescuing Roscosmos from the rot toilet it was in.
    Now a non-politician and proven good manager is taking over to do the long term job.  

    Mercouris covered this shuffle in his latest video and it appears that the Russian MIC is going onto the command economy rails.
    No more fighting over profits at UralVagonZavod.   I fully support this "commie" approach since what we see in NATO proves that
    privatization and bidding does not work at all.   In fact, the private US MIC is acting like a shadow government pushing its profit
    interests through wars.  

    People do not know what a free market it is.   The car industry, the MIC and other "private" enterprise clusters are all oligopolies
    and are manipulated markets.    A free market is when no producer can control the price through restriction of supply and collusion.
    A handful of megacorps have a clear incentive to collude and manipulate the market.   Combine that with having only one customer,
    the government and you get total corruption.

    So the Russian "state planning" approach makes more sense since it leaves the government which is the source of all the money for
    the MIC in charge.   No corrupt games and buying and selling of politicians for profits.   The Russian taxpayer saves and Russia
    follows a stable mode of operation proven by the experience of the USSR.   I would love to see exotic weapons systems make a
    come back.   No grossly inflated prices means that they become affordable again.  

    Agreed, and I would add that while the Russian MIC has been far from ideal in this respect, it is positively glowing in comparison with corrupt MIC in the Collective West (which I assume was your core point).  Russian MIC has retained elements of the old Soviet command models, and that is why Russian weapons systems tend to be modestly priced, robust and effective, at least as compared to the hyper-expensive, fragile under-performing junk that passes as military security equipment in the West.  Western "experts", or at least those who are able to advance within the closed-shop establishment echo-chambers, have no friggin idea of the true situation.  These same idiots can't fathom why the Wests sanctions have failed and backfired, or how Russia, with a peacetime economy and using an expeditionary force of only 10% of her available forces, is able to prevail with minimal losses over a NATO-backed and fully mobilised Ukraine that has had 8 years to prepare and fortify behind prepared defenses.  

    I see a lot of positives from this move, not least of all that Western pundits will blow gaskets with increasing frequency over their rage that Russia is proving (yet again) that the West is in many ways an empty suit, and that Western ideas are not the only options available to nations that wish to be free.

    Edit: Andrei Martyanov daily blog discusses this:  source

    His take on Borisov, all very encouraging from my POV:

    Borisov is one of those military-technological, engineering and organization geniuses who are a very rare breed and seldom appear at the highest levels of political power. It is especially true for modern military-industrial complex of any superpower, because huge swaths of those complexes are in effect dual technologies producing industries. Borisov was instrumental in turning Russian military-industrial complex into R&D and manufacturing powerhouse it is today. Moreover, Borisov is a former cadre military, a general, with military academy behind his belt. Him, taking the command of Roskosmos may mean very many things and all of them good for Russia. Remember, it was on Borisov's watch that the Russian Armed Forces started to deploy some extremely advanced weapon system, many of which have no analogues in the West. Some--never will. In other words, Borisov is a specialist in the most advanced military and dual use technologies and bringing them to serial production.

    So in summary, it seems that the Kremlin believes that Rogozin has essentially completed his task of eradicating the mismanagement and corruption within Roskosmos, fixing its money-leaks, and getting its institutions back on track and working correctly, and now Borisov will be put in charge to ramp up the enterprise and get it producing to meet state needs. Happy days! thumbsup

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    Post  kvs Sat Jul 16, 2022 3:32 am

    The USSR was broken because it did try to micromanage the whole economy. This is just stupid since autonomous decision making
    responding to local conditions is vastly superior to centralized, report to mother bureaucracy. BTW, Kanada is experiencing some of
    this since 2006 in the federal government. No more local sys admins handling your PC problems, gotta call Ottawa and sit in a queue.
    Yes, Kanada had a superior approach before 2006.

    The MIC is never going to be like grocery stores and other consumer market goods and services supply. Russia is not making the mistake
    of putting this part of the economy under central planning and creating shortages and a black market. I think that space industry is
    also not going to be any rational market for a long time. In sci-fi we can have private companies engaging in consumer type economics
    in space, but in reality it is like the MIC. One dominant spender of money and a tiny number of suppliers of goods and services. So
    we see Space X for what it is.

    The problem with NATO countries is that they are too invested in the ideology of the "free market" (even if they are "leftists) and cannot
    admit the existence of distorted markets. You can see this inanity with EU's attempt to "deregulate" Gazprom's pipelines. They actually
    applied the AT&T model as if many gas suppliers would step in. We had similar BS with electrical energy production and supply in Kanada.
    All that did was increase costs for consumers since as now they had to pay investor dividends. Russia does not need to waste time trying
    to realize a fake reality with the MIC, Roscosmos and energy production (I mean nuclear power plants, gas and oil. Alt-energy production
    can be private.)

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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Jul 16, 2022 5:30 am

    thegopnik wrote:I will be in tears laughing getting myself drunk if Rogozin replaces Zelensky after the war lol1 lol1 lol1 lol1

    If this happened Rogozin would become my favorite person in the whole universe



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    Post  GarryB Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:52 am

    Maybe Rogozin will become ambassador to the UN.

    Or Ambassador to Serbia... Twisted Evil

    Rogozin has given them a shakeup and gotten them back on track, I wonder which other aspect of Russian life needs a Rogozin shakeup?

    Right here

    I understand your happiness, but that image is in poor taste... it is 2022 and Black Americans are still not free...

    I will be in tears laughing getting myself drunk if Rogozin replaces Zelensky after the war

    Considering the leaders they have had in the past he would be an enormous step up, but Russia wont install an imported puppet regime, they will be led by a local who understands what has been happening the last 50 years.

    In other words, Borisov is a specialist in the most advanced military and dual use technologies and bringing them to serial production.

    That has been a criticism of the Soviets and Russia by the west that they come up with good ideas but fail to cash in on them by commercialising them and getting them into production (which is of course false but that is what they claimed... the reality is that lack of fair trade and open markets limited the market size for any Soviet or Russian design not made with a western partner to create a wider western market... those western partners normally isolated and marginalised their Soviet or Russian partners and stole their ideas and sold them out... look at the Yak-130...)

    If this happened Rogozin would become my favorite person in the whole universe

    Nah... Zelensky wont rule any neutral part of what is left of the Ukraine if any, so why would you want him to help build the orcs up to strength?

    Would rather see pieces break off and join Poland and Hungary and become their problem...

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    Post  Hole Sat Jul 16, 2022 1:36 pm

    Martyanov´s take:

    About Borisov's New Post.


    A huge event: a removal of Rogozin from the position of the head of a mighty Roscosmos and appointment of Yuri Borisov to this post. This event created a major splash in Russian media with people immediately beginning to speculate that now Russian space program will begin to focus more on military applications (in Russian). But let's recall who Yuri Borisov is--yes, he is one of the major driving forces behind modernization and rearmament of Russian Armed Forces which underwent fast and dramatic update which turned them into arguably best fighting force of today. Borisov's role in this is huge, to put it mildly. 
    Borisov is one of those military-technological, engineering and organization geniuses who are a very rare breed and seldom appear at the highest levels of political power. It is especially true for modern military-industrial complex of any superpower, because huge swaths of those complexes are in effect dual technologies producing industries. Borisov was instrumental in turning Russian military-industrial complex into R&D and manufacturing powerhouse it is today. Moreover, Borisov is a former cadre military, a general, with military academy behind his belt. Him, taking the command of Roskosmos may mean very many things and all of them good for Russia. Remember, it was on Borisov's watch that the Russian Armed Forces started to deploy some extremely advanced weapon system, many of which have no analogues in the West. Some--never will. In other words, Borisov is a specialist in the most advanced military and dual use technologies and bringing them to serial production. 
    One of the results of Borisov's guidance are such as new carrier of the Poseidons, Belgorod submarine transferred to the Russian Navy several days ago, or newest Peresvet combat laser complexes, let alone RS-28 Sarmat or 3M22 Zircon--this all happened on Borisov's watch. Borisov leaves Russian Military-Industrial Complex in a top shape and Denis Manturov who comes into supervision of it knows this and he understands his position as "if ain't broke, don't fix it". Borisov is appointed to Roscosmos post to INTRODUCE into full production some revolutionary space technologies of which we know only about nuclear tug Zevs, but what else? Expect some big news relatively soon. What can it be? I hate speculations, you know that, but the talk and rumors about Russia's 6th generation fighter capable to transition from air to space flight and back are persistent. The full line of Angara, rockets and development and introduction of a super-heavy carriers will also be a priority. As will be a further development of counter-measures to US military space programs. Borisov's appointment fits extremely well into the program of Russia's full technological independence. With people like Borisov this independence is not only feasible but is already happening. 

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    Post  kvs Sat Jul 16, 2022 1:46 pm

    Sounds like pulse detonation engine technology has advanced under covers in Russia. Any talk of transitional air-space vehicles
    requires the thermodynamic performance flexibility such engines provide. No Brayton cycle engine even deserves a mention.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun Jul 17, 2022 2:10 am

    kvs wrote:Sounds like pulse detonation engine technology has advanced under covers in Russia.   Any talk of transitional air-space vehicles
    requires the thermodynamic performance flexibility such engines provide.   No Brayton cycle engine even deserves a mention.

    Pulse detonation or rotating? Either way, I don't buy for even a second that Russia is behind the West (or Japs) in PDE/RDE theoretical physics or tech demonstrators. thumbsup

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Jul 17, 2022 10:31 am

    thegopnik wrote:I will be in tears laughing getting myself drunk if Rogozin replaces Zelensky after the war lol1 lol1 lol1 lol1

    That sort of appointment will be right up Rogozin's alley and the Ukraine will finally get the leader it deserves

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