Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48

Finally, women get to die too, equality.
Socialists everywhere will celebrate (except the female ones of course) .
And a baby boom is on the way, Ukraine is actually going to solve their population problem.

flamming_python wrote:

SolidarityWithRussia wrote:Maybe this has been discussed here already, but what will Nato do, when they finally run out of ammunition? Are they going to secretly change subject and let Ukraine down, or are they dumb enough to give Ukraine low-yield nuclear weapons?

I don't think they'll run out of ammunition but they are running out of military equipment. At least from what we can see; I'd be extremely surprised if they didn't have plans in motion.

As for what they'll do - they'll escalate.
Because they've put their entire little empire on the line in the Ukraine. Everything banking on this war. If Russia wins and wins there decisively; they're done and all around the world.

Nuland and Blinkin already announced what they are going to do. There is going to be a flurry of missiles into Russia and soft targets in the Black sea.

I am not as sure that they will run out of equipment. There is still tons of mothballed equipment scattered all over the world. There is a 1000 Abrams tanks mothballed in Egypt or something. Plus there must be tons of it in the gulf countries. It is just a matter of transporting it.

For this offensive, they are running out. But there's aways next year. And the year after that. After 2 more years, the military the US is building in Poland with 96 Apaches and 500 HIMARS units will be ready.

So I have to question this attrition with no big arrows strategy. And no decision to bomb the govt buildings in Kiev

What is the plan for this winter Python ? and next spring

sepheronx wrote:

thegopnik wrote:Poland buying 500 HIMARS, yet it is quite obvious at this point they will get involved later, any update on tornado, armata, t,-90m numbers would be great. 1000k-2 tanks are not problem but the 250 m1a2 sepv3s will be the problem. Since the armor protection got boosted and these tanks will have Trophy APS systems to deal with ATGM and RPGs and updates on Hermes on how close it will hit production would be useful right now since the speed is enough for trophy projectile reaction time not to work.

And where will Poland get the people to man such equipment and the money to get such equipment?

The important words in this are "will get". The certainly are not getting much soon, the US has serious supply constraints.

@vicktop55
A wild scandal is developing now between Ukraine and the United States

General Mark Milley showed American journalists a map of the operational situation in the Orekhovsky and Vremyevsky directions in Ukraine and revealed the location of the Ukrainian Armed Forces units.
Using this data, the Russian Armed Forces inflicted fire damage - the Armed Forces of Ukraine lost a large amount of equipment and personnel.
Thank you, Mark Milley!
https://t.me/vicktop55/16971

https://twitter.com/i/status/1701264758022799494

BS. Russia is fully aware of the battlefield layout and tactical situation. The patronizing nonsense in the above social media brain fart is over the top.
Russians need Americans to fight the war...

Looking at the events at the G20 I am now considering the possibility that the west know full well the counter offensive would result in a slaughter and they insisted on it to liquidate the Ukrainian military. This is to hasten the end and force them to the table as they know its over and as long as it takes has expired as the outcome is now 100% clear. to them.

"Ahh yes lad, climb inside the tank with ounces of floating heavy metal particles. Never mind the alpha decay as the decay products cannot hurt you outside your body!"

"what if I inhale the dust tho?"

"Somebody give this man an article 15!"

Are they going to secretly change subject and let Ukraine down, or are they dumb enough to give Ukraine low-yield nuclear weapons?

Low yield nukes would not be an option... most HATO nations military would squeal at such a thing and Russia would be told before hand...

Your Snowdens and Assanges are everywhere... just because the leadership is rotten does not mean there are not sensible rational people in the ranks.

This is a clear sign of weakness

Now it's time to hit them even harder and longer, no stopping

Not just that, they claim they want talks but in fact they just want to make the same demands they have been making always... Russia leaves Russia admits guilt Russia pays for everything. Russians go to jail.

Not a negotiation, they want Russia to surrender unconditionally, which is not going to happen.

Then they claim to have been gained back gas platforms in Black Sea with special forces.

Gas platforms?

Were they even defended?

How easy to destroy a gas platform?

If true this would be huge thing since those platforms cover quite a large sea surface..

Cover what? How many Ukrainian forces would you need to base on these gas platforms to mount a proper raid on Crimea or anything else?

A force large enough to make destroying those gas platforms worth while?

For this offensive, they are running out. But there's aways next year. And the year after that

How long do you think Ukrainian men are going to put up with the slaughter at the front... more so when they get their draft papers...

After 2 more years, the military the US is building in Poland with 96 Apaches and 500 HIMARS units will be ready.

That doesn't matter. Poland is HATO, so a fight with HATO justifies the first use of nukes by Russia because when Kiev attacks the chances of the destruction of the RF is zero, but if HATO attacks then the combined nuclear force of the US and UK and France is a direct threat to the survival of the RF so nukes are fully justified.

So I have to question this attrition with no big arrows strategy. And no decision to bomb the govt buildings in Kiev

Kiev is making all the wrong moves and is as incompetent as they could possibly be... don't kill them yet.

When conditions suit some advances I am sure Moscow will advance, but it is going to be a surprise.

In terms of shock and awe Kiev thinks it can have all its territory back, so they are going to need a real shock to realise if they don't give up sooner rather than later that they are going to end up with less the longer this takes.

General Mark Milley showed American journalists a map of the operational situation in the Orekhovsky and Vremyevsky directions in Ukraine and revealed the location of the Ukrainian Armed Forces units.
Using this data, the Russian Armed Forces inflicted fire damage - the Armed Forces of Ukraine lost a large amount of equipment and personnel.
Thank you, Mark Milley!

How incompetent is that...

*cough* *cough* There are “no significant radiological consequences” to the use of depleted uranium ammunition, International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Director General Rafael Grossi has declared.

Glad you say that because we put some in your coffee...

Some counterpoints about all the howling into the void about shelters. As if the air force never thought of it before. Translated from Russian

Morons, military kurkurs do not understand that modern shelters will almost work out and do not allow you to protect against an enemy strike. Only air defense and electronic warfare work. Any concrete shelter learned to hit back in the 70s. And any drone will fly into the sash or when refueling. About several successful strikes of the Tu-141 at the beginning of the conflict. Most of them were shot down and did not fly. And that's it, no more results could be achieved. For they sealed the "holes" in the coating of air defense and electronic warfare.

Well, OK. They built a canopy with three layers of corrugated board, strengthened so that its jet stream would not blow away, concreted into the airfield. And suddenly we see the FPV drone that you are so vehemently attacking. As an engineer, answer me. Will this drone be able to fly under a canopy? Does he know how to fly horizontally? Well, that is, we built a canopy, got sick of everyone, listened to the journalist, and damn ... Anyway, the drone arrived.

An engineer must be able to understand any device and any system. You, as I see, completely understand the ****. You understand that any solution is a COMPROMISE. Between necessity and expediency. Between efficiency and price. Do we have planes flying by themselves? There is no BAO, no technicians, no auxiliary equipment? Do we also cover them with canopies? At the advanced bases, we, in general, are not against either gabions or more durable shelters - but not to the detriment of the main protection - air defense, electronic warfare.

No canopies in Soltsy would have helped.
On the other hand, the DRG worked point-blank and chose weapons for the specific task of destroying the aircraft. If there was a canopy, they would take an FPV drone and the result would be exactly the same. There would not be a canopy, but a reinforced concrete shelter with a three-dimensional gate thickness, they would hit a taxiing plane. There is no one hundred percent protection.

PS: taking into account the development of the subject of unmanned kamikazes and their capabilities, well, this is a whole hangar that needs to be tinkered with so that this bastard does not slip through. And the hangar is already a very noticeable stationary structure that can easily be with a rocket. So, it is necessary to make a capital structure. So, go in the ass, continue the logical chain yourself, I'm sick of it.

The west needs hardened aircraft shelters because their airdefence is shit... they simply don't have enough missiles to defend against anything but the weakest enemy so they build shelters.

A shelter would be effective if you had 10,000 shelters at each airbase and so the enemy could not tell which shelters were empty and which had aircraft in them.

Otherwise it is like a unit moving through an open field... you just have to shoot the bushes.

GarryB wrote:The west needs hardened aircraft shelters because their airdefence is shit... they simply don't have enough missiles to defend against anything but the weakest enemy so they build shelters.

A shelter would be effective if you had 10,000 shelters at each airbase and so the enemy could not tell which shelters were empty and which had aircraft in them.

Otherwise it is like a unit moving through an open field... you just have to shoot the bushes.

No need to attack the aircraft shelters, just blow up the runways, US aircraft are fragile, they need perfect runways to takeoff and land without being damaged.

A little sidenote:

Just looking at some award ceremony for soldiers fighting for Russia.
Isn´t it weird that a country so diverse as Russia isn´t supported by the west? 
You could really get the impression all that talking about diversity is just BS. 

Hole wrote:A little sidenote:

Just looking at some award ceremony for soldiers fighting for Russia.
Isn´t it weird that a country so diverse as Russia isn´t supported by the west? 
You could really get the impression all that talking about diversity is just BS. 

As they like to repeat all the time in the West - diversity is our strength

if these comments are true Zelensky may have written his death warrant America and NATzO nations will not tolerate threats of this kind

They admit they have out of control death squads killing people who threaten Kiev, would that include EU member states that want to cut funding to Kiev, like Hungary blocking funds?

Interesting... is he talking about Ukrainian people voting or performing terrorist acts in EU countries... this gets really interesting doesn't it...

Of course any attacks will be claimed to be Russia trying to upset support for Kiev... like Koran burning etc etc was Putins fault.

I hope Russia has enough of its carrier-fleet-destroying missiles ready. Just in case...

SolidarityWithRussia wrote:I hope Russia has enough of its carrier-fleet-destroying missiles ready. Just in case...

He is forgetting that neither the US or UK have any ships in the Black Sea.

EDIT

This is a lot of hot air. The NATO ships are Romanian and Bulgarian, ISR is from the USA, air escorts are RAF, while Turks will guard South Stream.

I think that is what is happening.

Zlatti71
@djuric_zlatko
Interesting discovery in Geran drone debris

KIEV, September 12, 2023 - A significant revelation has come to light from the investigation into the wreckage left behind by the Geran drone that targeted Kiev. Within the debris, a Russian-manufactured CRPA antenna, known as "Comet-M," was discreetly housed in a specially designed container.

This discovery raises pressing concerns for the Armed Forces of Ukraine (APU), as the Comet-M antenna is renowned for its heightened resistance to Ukrainian electronic warfare capabilities.

46 launchers sounds like quite a salvo potential

higurashihougi wrote:https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/09/11/7419320/

"President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has stated that cases of corruption in Ukraine are not related to the assistance from partners. -Ukrainskia Pravda"

Translation to English: Now we know who are the main culprits of corruption in Ukraina.

neither Zeleobobik uses copium right? :sounds legit lol1:

With so much cocaine you hardly need copium

@Sprinter99800
“Ukraine will not win either tomorrow or in a year, the Ukrainian Armed Forces are suffering heavy losses” – Head of the medical service of the national battalion “Da Vinci’s Wolves”.
“We are suffering great losses. There is no romance in this. What is happening at the front now is something that you will not read in the news.”
"While in the Kupyansk direction, for the first time in my life I was ready to talk to any people in order for my battalion to live."
https://twitter.com/Sprinter99800/status/1701603212003082309


@GeromanAT
Bakhmut Artemovsk Northwest
RF crossed the outflow of the Berkhovskoye reservoir


@GeromanAT
Report from Рамзай (TG)
Along the entire front line, there are signs that the Ukrainian offensive is running out of steam, losing its organization and disintegrating into a scattering of local fierce battles that do not have a common plan.
And, although the command of the Ukrainian Armed Forces continues to throw its troops into daily attacks, the actions of Ukrainian commanders are becoming more and more stereotyped and senseless desperation. The tactics of attacks by small infantry groups under powerful artillery cover, proposed by the Americans two months ago , eventually turned into the tactics of “meat assaults” with huge losses and literally “gnawing through” Russian positions. The critical gap in this tactic was the inability of Ukrainian artillery to suppress Russian artillery, which, with the start of the next Ukrainian attack, simply “mowed down” the attackers, as well as the lack of effective military air defense, which led to the fact that the Ukrainian attacking groups suffered heavy losses in areas of concentration. As a result, the introduction of the last strategic reserves into battle two weeks ago, as well as the concentration on the main directions (Rabotino, Urozhaynoe, Kleshcheevka), which retained the combat effectiveness of the brigades of the 9th and 10th corps, did not change the situation; it was not possible to break through the front in the Tokmak direction. And today the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is simply trying to take the heights above Rabotino and Kleshcheevka at any cost in order to gain a foothold here and “fix” a new front line on which the Armed Forces will enter the autumn-winter campaign. Without taking these heights, the Ukrainian command will have to withdraw troops from here 1.5 - 3 km, so as not to sit under direct fire from the Russians in the open lowlands. And such a withdrawal will be the final verdict for the entire summer “offensive”...