Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48

mnztr wrote:

Backman wrote:ATACMr.

Doesn't storm shadow have a longer range anyway?

I don't know, maybe. But another series of missile just inevitably means a new stock will be available and some will inevitably get through. And we have this annoying fucking cycle where the US ups the ante, gets some propaganda cheap-shots in, gets the western public intoxicated again, and Russia basically does no obvious retaliation.

Backman wrote:

mnztr wrote:

Backman wrote:ATACMr.

Doesn't storm shadow have a longer range anyway?

I don't know, maybe. But another series of missile just inevitably means a new stock will be available and some will inevitably get through. And we have this annoying fucking cycle where the US ups the ante, gets some propaganda cheap-shots in, gets the western public intoxicated again, and Russia basically does no obvious retaliation.

The real reason the US gave them ATACMS is probably because the Russians have hacked the guidance system on the std missile and I guess they wanna see if the also need to deal with this one and what radius the jamming is effective.

ATACSM is a purely ballistic missile with a relatively small terminal speed.
Much less complicated target than cruise Storm Shadow or Scalp or Taurus.
It will be easy prey for Russian missiles.
But let the new hype take some weight, will be fun watching it falling down the sky.

R 500

https://m.vk.com/video-206639135_456274866

ALAMO wrote:ATACSM is a purely ballistic missile with a relatively small terminal speed.
Much less complicated target than cruise Storm Shadow or Scalp or Taurus.
It will be easy prey for Russian missiles.
But let the new hype take some weight, will be fun watching it falling down the sky.

That is the real problem for the US. Do they really want to destroy its reputation as an effective weapon? Not that it actually has one against a proper enemy.

Hence adding it to the growing pile of products that potential customers will turn their noses up at.

In Ukraine it, the Abrams and the F-16 are working better as a carrot on a stick.

Here is a bold claim from German propaganda that gave me a good laugh.
https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/ukraine-liveticker-experte-erfolgschance-der-ukrainer-bei-40-bis-50-prozent-faz-19030454.html

So there is a handpicked "expert" who claims that the chance of a Ukrainian breaktrough is 40-50%. Probably that number is meant to create more false hope in the population, but when Ukraine's defeat will become evident in the near future, the fake media can explain this simply with bad luck. That is how Western war propaganda is trying to keep its credibility despite being terribly wrong so many times.

American arms dealer Mark Morales makes millions by supplying arms to Ukraine through Ukrainian Army Staff Sergeant Vladimir Koifman, a Ukrainian-American who is paid to arrange meetings with his government contacts. This is stated in an investigation published by The New York Times.

Last month, six men met in the penthouse bar of one of Kyiv's most luxurious hotels to discuss the lucrative business of arming Ukrainian troops, the newspaper reported, citing two people present at the meeting. Morales, Koyfman, as well as Ukrainian military and officials were there.

As the publication notes, this meeting made it possible to show a hidden aspect of the military strategy of the Joe Biden administration.

The US has given Ukraine more than $40 billion in security assistance, including advanced weapons. But the Pentagon also relies heavily on little-known arms dealers like Morales, who have the connections needed to source mostly low-grade or Soviet-caliber ammunition from around the world. They work in the shadow arms trade.

Morales is one of the most important suppliers for Ukraine. The Pentagon has awarded his company Global Ordnance contracts worth about $1 billion, primarily for the supply of ammunition. And he built an additional $200 million business selling weapons directly to Ukrainians, records show.

However, Morales' company is under investigation by Ukrainian anti-corruption authorities in connection with the deal, which officials called a failure. At the same time, in the United States in 2009, Morales was charged with conspiracy and money laundering after, according to him, he was featured in a recording where he discussed methods of paying bribes to foreign officials. Prosecutors eventually dropped the charges against him.

Sergeant Koyfman, a Ukrainian-American who has many years of experience as an advisor to the Ukrainian National Guard, entered wartime service in Ukraine. He told The Times that he is a senior sergeant in the Ukrainian territorial defense forces, where he leads and trains soldiers.

Koyfman is the key person to contact on weapons issues, one official said.

It is noted that Morales also hired Denis Vanash, whom the NYT calls a longtime adviser to the Secretary of Defense.

Morales' rivals said he had an unfair advantage, not because of his ties to Koyfman or Vanash, but because of his ties to the Pentagon. As two of Morales' competitors said, on several occasions at the beginning of the war he outbid competitors for the purchase of shells from Bulgarian arms factories.

He transported missiles, shells, grenades and armored vehicles from Bulgaria, Egypt, Jordan and Pakistan to Ukraine, according to government documents and interviews with arms dealers and officials. And he is far from the only arms dealer with connections to the Ukrainian government.

At the same time, the material says, the consequence of huge purchases in Ukraine was competition between state-owned firms and private dealers. This caused prices to rise, causing Ukraine to lose money. When the government buys weapons from state-owned companies, it benefits from the deal. When it buys from private sellers, the profit goes to the brokers.

One example is that at the beginning of a full-scale war, the state-owned company Ukrinmash entered into a deal with an Egyptian seller worth about $65 million to purchase almost 200 armored vehicles. Then the deal stalled. Shortly thereafter, Morales entered into a contract to supply similar machines at similar prices. The difference was that Global Ordnance would profit, not the state-owned company.

Subsequently, problems began. According to Deputy Defense Minister Vladimir Gavrilov, the vehicles arrived improperly equipped, and anti-corruption authorities began investigating the deal.

https://t.me/MediaKiller2021/9422

Corruption in blood, or how the highest echelons of power earned billions...

Soon the most interesting things will begin to emerge regarding the purchases of weapons by the Office of the President through gray schemes from international “shadow” arms dealers.

This case was completely supervised by the Head of the OP Ermak, the amounts involved were in the billions. For lobbying for the necessary contracts, Ermak and his entourage received kickbacks of 25-35% of the amount. And prices were 2/3 times higher than market prices, although mostly decommissioned junk and used equipment were purchased.

Let them tell how they bought decommissioned S-300 air defense missiles, which then flew into residential buildings of Ukrainians, and the authorities, in order to hide negligence and corruption, blamed it on the Russians.

The OP and the team pulled off an interesting scheme involving the purchase of used equipment from Egypt. The article briefly described the situation, emphasizing that the money went to brokers, and state-owned companies often began to lose deals. So, a Ukrainian defense enterprise received this “Egyptian order,” but the decision makers went to a “warm country” and agreed with officials to delay the transfer of weapons and the contract was disrupted. Then this contract was given to the right company, which miraculously delivered everything very quickly, receiving an awesome jackpot.

We are waiting for information to emerge about how Bankova transferred Javelin, NLAW, MANPADS, and other interesting Western toys to “shadow dealers.” Ukraine in 2022 was a black hole filled with dirty money.

While people fell for propaganda and went to die, big men in suits made money so that they could then vacation in warm countries with millions in their accounts.


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JohninMK wrote:

That is the real problem for the US. Do they really want to destroy its reputation as an effective weapon? Not that it actually has one against a proper enemy.

Hence adding it to the growing pile of products that potential customers will turn their noses up at.

In Ukraine it, the Abrams and the F-16 are working better as a carrot on a stick.

It is irrelevant.
Murican arms is being purchased by vassal states and as bribes paid to the hegemon to make him pleased and accept something.
Those countries will keep paying bribes as usual, including the ridiculous situation existing in Poland, where a tank zoo has been created.

Maybe this has been discussed here already, but what will Nato do, when they finally run out of ammunition? Are they going to secretly change subject and let Ukraine down, or are they dumb enough to give Ukraine low-yield nuclear weapons?

Backman wrote:ATACMS are being delivered now and Russia just does nothing. Generals will be killed. A whole new round of propaganda stories that will intoxicate western retards for the next 6 months. 230 kilogram warheads. JFC. ...

Remember cluster shells they sent?

Now Ukrainians are getting hit with even bigger cluster rockets and are getting white phosphorous shower as a bonus with each package

Keep em coming, party all the way

Kiko wrote:The United States announced Ukraine's readiness for negotiations with Russia, 09.10.2023.

US Secretary of State Blinken: Ukraine is ready for negotiations with Russia.

Ukraine is ready for negotiations with Russia, but the conditions and future borders will depend on the opinion of Kyiv, US Secretary of State Blinken said. Russia ruled out the withdrawal of troops to the 1991 borders and called for recognizing “realities on the ground”.
....

This is a clear sign of weakness

Now it's time to hit them even harder and longer, no stopping

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CxDbdtdoieP/?fbclid=IwAR16giYKORouvZqms1cBcW--gQkZaV9zLivnQ7b2muC2c0KDCV0ptgptTsU

Four Russian paratroopers descended on a Ukrainian dugout. The odds were even – four Russian soldiers, four Ukrainian soldiers. Plot twist: there weren’t four Ukrainian soldiers. As this drone footage circulating on social media apparently shows, the four Russian soldiers ordered the Ukrainians out one by one, and they just kept coming. All eleven of them.

Godric wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

And where the **** were they from 2014-2022?

They were contributing troops to the Ukrainian junta army shelling the Donbass, that's where. Anyone with balls I mean. There may well have been people sympathetic to Russia, but none of them did anything then, so why would they find the courage now?

i'm pretty sure there were partisan attacks in Zaporozhye oblast circa 2014/15 targeting rail and bridges in the region, maybe they got fed up waiting for the cavalry to come

on another note Ukraine is demanding a tribunal to convict, Vladimir Putin, Sergey Lavarov Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin and others, the first 3 names are to receive immunity according to the west which is enraging Ukraine, what needs to be pointed out to these fools, they are not living in the real world, the West & Ukraine ... if anyone should be in the dock , it should be Biden, O'Bampot, Merkel, Hollande, Macron, Scholtz, Nuland, Numerous Ukrainian Politicians, Boris Johnson and several other UK leaders

https://www.rt.com/russia/582719-west-deadlocked-russia-ukraine-tribunal/

Indeed there was a low level partisan activity in the Ukrainian-occupied New Russia and New Serbia (Budziaki and Yedisan) regions, but Putin decided to instead host the World Cup of Football.

Also, in the city of Harkov, at least some sabotage was conducted; today the city is a major Ukrainian defensive stronghold. There was carelessness on the part of the resistance members in the Harkov area, as in bragging about their activities.

Eight years is plenty of time to deal with the resistance movement.


http://michalw.narod.ru/index-GL42.html

today was good day for Ukraine, it reported moderate advancing in Opytne village near Avdivka, then further south in the direction toward Novomairoke village. Then they claim to have destroyed a couple of Russian river boats in Kherson region. Then they claim to have been gained back gas platforms in Black Sea with special forces. They got a lot of equipment like rockets for helicopters as well as radar that can track ships on the sea. If true this would be huge thing since those platforms cover quite a large sea surface...and are not far away from Crimea...there are clips on the internet.

mr_hd wrote:today was good day for Ukraine, it reported moderate advancing in Opytne village near Avdivka, then further south in the direction toward Novomairoke village. Then they claim to have destroyed a couple of Russian river boats in Kherson region. Then they claim to have been gained back gas platforms in Black Sea with special forces. They got a lot of equipment like rockets for helicopters as well as radar that can track ships on the sea. If true this would be huge thing since those platforms cover quite a large sea surface...and are not far away from Crimea...there are clips on the internet.

How will they resupply?

Poland buying 500 HIMARS, yet it is quite obvious at this point they will get involved later, any update on tornado, armata, t,-90m numbers would be great. 1000k-2 tanks are not problem but the 250 m1a2 sepv3s will be the problem. Since the armor protection got boosted and these tanks will have Trophy APS systems to deal with ATGM and RPGs and updates on Hermes on how close it will hit production would be useful right now since the speed is enough for trophy projectile reaction time not to work.

mnztr wrote:

mr_hd wrote:today was good day for Ukraine, it reported moderate advancing in Opytne village near Avdivka, then further south in the direction toward Novomairoke village. Then they claim to have destroyed a couple of Russian river boats in Kherson region. Then they claim to have been gained back gas platforms in Black Sea with special forces. They got a lot of equipment like rockets for helicopters as well as radar that can track ships on the sea. If true this would be huge thing since those platforms cover quite a large sea surface...and are not far away from Crimea...there are clips on the internet.

How will they resupply?

Because NATO has some new wonderweapon and supply system that costs more than Russia's GDP.

(English subbed) Russian war reporter's documentary about the soldiers on the frontlines



thanks to an subscriber, i now have the ability to auto-translate and generate subtitles.

mr_hd wrote:today was good day for Ukraine, it reported moderate advancing in Opytne village near Avdivka, then further south in the direction toward Novomairoke village. Then they claim to have destroyed a couple of Russian river boats in Kherson region. Then they claim to have been gained back gas platforms in Black Sea with special forces.

do you mean this same recycled vid right before 4 boats were sunken by RuAF? or the most recent with only 3 boats and 36 commando? meh the recent boats were blown just by Snake island

They got a lot of equipment like rockets for helicopters as well as radar that can track ships on the sea. If true this would be huge thing since those platforms cover quite a large sea surface...and are not far away from Crimea...there are clips on the internet.

vids on interment you say ?

Russians capturing ukro positions after failed Zergling rush counterattack