Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48

what i see a lot here, are uninformed opinions about what Russia should or should not do.
based on emotional reactions of whatever they see pass by the latest social media feed.

However, how many actually spoke to actual Russian people?. or seen documentary's with the people confronted by these things?.

I consider myself lucky i had the chance to talk to people in Russia that eventually where called upon to serve the motherland once again.
or seen extensive documentary's of the people living in the LPR and DPR, that survived under the monstrous terrorism of the Kiev government and their NATO overlords.

most recent, i posted an documentary here. about an RF war reporter operating on the frontlines for years in the LPR/DPR.
There is this young kid that is now in his 20's, and all he has known is war. Becoming an Soldier, with footage of him resisting alone an Ukrainian full assault where he fought multiple Ukrainian troops at one point in an trench. He got injured multiple times. once in the head, another time in the leg and he goes on, knowing there is no choice than to fight against the Nazi's.

In the documentary he still hugs his mom like a child, while he has performed on the battlefield as the most professional and bravest soldier i can imagine out there.
There has now been an generation in the LPR and DPR growing up that did not had the chance of growing up the normal way.
Messing around with your friends before adult life and have fun.
They know only war, and there are older commanders constantly telling them "this war will end, when it is done. you will need to live for something else".

As far for Russians themselves go, this war has been coming for a long time.
This conflict was always an slumbering fire fueled by NATO pushing East to Russian borders.
Eventually, it touches Russian interests, and messes with the people identifying themselves as Russian.
And these people find themselves an target by NATO operations.

Russians are not surprised by this war, it was this entity in the shadows that was bound to be dealt with sooner or later.

That of course, do not take away they suffer loss on a daily basis on the hands of the Kiev/NATO Nazi's.
There are numerous story's from the LPR and DPR about the torture and killings on the hand of the Kiev government.
The people in the LPR/DPR and bordering RF provinces suffer daily shelling, artillery and terror attacks by Kiev forces.

yet in the face of all this, they keep holding on to their convictions, norms and values.
thank you all for that ,and will be always behind the RF people in the Ukraine.
I am all the way behind the brave men in your service  

JohninMK wrote:This is being reported as new. Not sure if it is

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Very interesting news from the direction of Kupjanski
Military correspondent Marat Hajrulin reports that Russian troops, with a sudden attack on the enemy, crossed Oskol on a front 4 kilometers wide and formed a bridgehead north of Dvurecna.
There are fights for the expansion of the bridgehead.
The expansion of the bridgehead will create a direct threat to bypass the enemy forces defending Dvurecna, the capture of which is necessary for the advance north of Kupjansk in the northeastern regions of Kharkiv Oblast.

Its all part of breaking up the Ukrainian offensive. Oh its not new, but it is important. Part of NATO strategy (made suicidal or even genocidal by not having artillery and close air support and the necessary logistics train) is the same as general Russian offensive strategy as both use similar operational art (Combined Arms/Deep Battle). Part of that is big arrow pincer movements where take everything you have and you focus on one or two parts of the line. In fact, that is what NATO/Ukraine wanted to do in Zaprozhiye and Kherson. Unfortunately for them, their bragging and complete failure to mask their intents gave the game away and so all along their axes of attack they met well dug in forces, and only advanced into firebags where they advanced to uncle Adolf and Grandpa Stepan. Adding to that, because Ukraine and NATO's leadership isn't completely stupid, they had to respect Russian forces on other sectors of the front. So In Kharkov, Lugansk, Sumy, Russia made very minor offensives that anyone could with a map could see could be developed into further offensive. These feints, while not anything but feints designed primarily to solidify defensive positions (at least for now) also pulled thousands of useful forces away from Zaprozhiye and Kherson. Much like Artemovsk/Bakhmut, which Ukraine has to take, but Russia really doesn't care about Russia is more than willing to seize all or parts of these towns and settlements, goad the Ukrainians in, rain down hell on them as they retreat, wash, rinse repeat.

For now, the Russian gains on this part of the front are not signs of an imminent offensive, but just to give Russia better defensive lines, divert troops away from other sectors of Ukraine's offensive, and in due time to be the jumping off point for a big arrow offensive. To be honest, until Russia decides to start taking off US and NATO satellites off line and NATO does the same, this is a defenders war. Nobody on either side of the conflict can so much as go out and smoke a cigarette or take a piss without everyone in the conflict on both sides knowing about it.

Unusually quiet evening, night and morning it seems like. Is something brewing?

The US Army War College just published a new paper on key lessons from the Ukraine War.

https://press.armywarcollege.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3240&context=parameters

I will bold the important parts.

Command and Control Twenty years of counterinsurgency and counterterrorism operations in the Middle East, largely enabled by air, signals, and electromagnetic dominance, generated chains of command reliant on perfect, uncontested communication lines and an extraordinary and accurate common operating picture of the battlefield broadcast in real time to co-located staff in large Joint Operations Centers. The Russia-Ukraine War makes it clear that the electromagnetic signature emitted from the command posts of the past 20 years cannot survive against the pace and precision of an adversary who possesses sensor-based technologies, electronic warfare, and unmanned aerial systems or has access to satellite imagery; this includes nearly every state or nonstate actor the United States might find itself fighting in the near future. The Army must focus on developing command-and-control systems and mobile command posts that enable continuous movement, allow distributed collaboration, and synchronize across all warfighting functions to minimize electronic signature. Ukrainian battalion command posts reportedly consist of seven soldiers who dig in and jump twice daily; while that standard will be hard for the US Army to achieve, it points in a very different direction than the one we have been following for two decades of hardened command posts.

Casualties, Replacements, and Reconstitutions The Russia-Ukraine War is exposing significant vulnerabilities in the Army’s strategic personnel depth and ability to withstand and replace casualties.11 Army theater medical planners may anticipate a sustained rate of roughly 3,600 casualties per day, ranging from those killed in action to those wounded in action or suffering disease or other non-battle injuries.12 With a 25 percent predicted replacement rate, the personnel system will require 800 new personnel each day. For context, the United States sustained about 50,000 casualties in two decades of fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. In large-scale combat operations, the United States could experience that same number of casualties in two weeks.1

In addition to the disciplined disobedience required to execute effective mission command, the US Army is facing a dire combination of a recruiting shortfall and a shrinking Individual Ready Reserve. This recruiting shortfall, nearly 50 percent in the combat arms career management fields, is a longitudinal problem. Every infantry and armor soldier we do not recruit today is a strategic mobilization asset we will not have in 2031.14 The Individual Ready Reserve, which stood at 700,000 in 1973 and 450,000 in 1994, now stands at 76,000.15 These numbers cannot fill the existing gaps in the active force, let alone any casualty replacement or expansion during a large-scale combat operation. The implication is that the 1970s concept of an all-volunteer force has outlived its shelf life and does not align with the current operating environment. The technological revolution described below suggests this force has reached obsolescence. Large-scale combat operations troop requirements may well require a reconceptualization of the 1970s and 1980s volunteer force and a move toward partial conscription.1

Another important detail is the will to fight, If a NATO army was to get involved how many would want to fight a war where the mortality rate chance far succeeds any operation that was conducted in the middle east? I know I didnt add the opinions of airforce or Navy(I know there is means of dealing with those branches as well based on what they have not used yet in this war) but this is the assessment they gave as their lessons from the war.

thegopnik wrote:The US Army War College just published a new paper on key lessons from the Ukraine War.

https://press.armywarcollege.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3240&context=parameters

I will bold the important parts.

Command and Control Twenty years of counterinsurgency and counterterrorism operations in the Middle East, largely enabled by air, signals, and electromagnetic dominance, generated chains of command reliant on perfect, uncontested communication lines and an extraordinary and accurate common operating picture of the battlefield broadcast in real time to co-located staff in large Joint Operations Centers. The Russia-Ukraine War makes it clear that the electromagnetic signature emitted from the command posts of the past 20 years cannot survive against the pace and precision of an adversary who possesses sensor-based technologies, electronic warfare, and unmanned aerial systems or has access to satellite imagery; this includes nearly every state or nonstate actor the United States might find itself fighting in the near future. The Army must focus on developing command-and-control systems and mobile command posts that enable continuous movement, allow distributed collaboration, and synchronize across all warfighting functions to minimize electronic signature. Ukrainian battalion command posts reportedly consist of seven soldiers who dig in and jump twice daily; while that standard will be hard for the US Army to achieve, it points in a very different direction than the one we have been following for two decades of hardened command posts.

Casualties, Replacements, and Reconstitutions The Russia-Ukraine War is exposing significant vulnerabilities in the Army’s strategic personnel depth and ability to withstand and replace casualties.11 Army theater medical planners may anticipate a sustained rate of roughly 3,600 casualties per day, ranging from those killed in action to those wounded in action or suffering disease or other non-battle injuries.12 With a 25 percent predicted replacement rate, the personnel system will require 800 new personnel each day. For context, the United States sustained about 50,000 casualties in two decades of fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. In large-scale combat operations, the United States could experience that same number of casualties in two weeks.1

In addition to the disciplined disobedience required to execute effective mission command, the US Army is facing a dire combination of a recruiting shortfall and a shrinking Individual Ready Reserve. This recruiting shortfall, nearly 50 percent in the combat arms career management fields, is a longitudinal problem. Every infantry and armor soldier we do not recruit today is a strategic mobilization asset we will not have in 2031.14 The Individual Ready Reserve, which stood at 700,000 in 1973 and 450,000 in 1994, now stands at 76,000.15 These numbers cannot fill the existing gaps in the active force, let alone any casualty replacement or expansion during a large-scale combat operation. The implication is that the 1970s concept of an all-volunteer force has outlived its shelf life and does not align with the current operating environment. The technological revolution described below suggests this force has reached obsolescence. Large-scale combat operations troop requirements may well require a reconceptualization of the 1970s and 1980s volunteer force and a move toward partial conscription.1

Another important detail is the will to fight, If a NATO army was to get involved how many would want to fight a war where the mortality rate chance far succeeds any operation that was conducted in the middle east? I know I didnt add the opinions of airforce or Navy(I know there is means of dealing with those branches as well based on what they have not used yet in this war) but this is the assessment they gave as their lessons from the war.

In other words, against a near pear rival, the US Army and those trained to NATO standard are FUCKED as Russia is not a third world held scape with an economy long withered by sanction, Russia has a professional army and not an army of illiterate and undereducated conscripts, and Russia has a patriotic population and not one that is honeycombed with traitors who yearn for the glory days of the 1990s (well other than the "Navalny" Liberals, but when Russians read the twitter feeds of those in the west who support those liberals they see that Navalny brings back the ruin of the 1990s and that PNAC wants to carve up Russia. So less than 10 percent).

Good to see. I love America, it my home and I love what it could be. However, I am increasingly disgusted by the perverse, insane, and demonic foreign policy it has been engaged in since the end of WWII/Great Patriotic War.

"These numbers cannot fill the existing gaps in the active force, let alone any casualty replacement or expansion during a large-scale combat operation.The implication is that the 1970s concept of an all-volunteer force has outlived its shelf life and does not align with the current operating environment."


Hahaha even at the eve of ww3 these monsters will not relent in their plans to completely reengineer the military to fit their globohomo image. Makes me sick. I know many people who would rather die than serve what they see as an illegitimate or at best highly corrupted regime. And they are not doing themselves any favors in pushing the neolib social progressivist policies in the military. Very few patriotic young men will support this kind of regime. Even those who now support Ukraine.

So they (as usual with no reverse as they know it means their days are numbered) will just force conscription when the time comes. I guarantee when it comes to it, a ton of bizarre events created by them to cause "ontological shock" will create a wave of confusion while they enact extreme draconian measures. These bastards will spark deception, false flags,  regime changes and even ww3 before relinquishing power.

Edit: missed a sentence.

I am all in tears because one internet idiot/warrior call me monkey

Actually Chimpanzees are not Monkeys, they are apes.

See, you learned something new.

I normally like Russia and would not like that country would lose its prestige, status and power in general.

Standing up against the west has probably done rather more for Russian prestige than anything they could possibly do.

Russian prestige in the west is of course zero but they were never going to please the west... everything they do is wrong... the west is the same with China... for Covid China had lockdowns and the west condemned them for being authoritarian, and when they ended the lock downs the west was complaining that such a move would allow the disease to spread to other countries... which is hilarious because western countries had lockdowns and those lockdowns eventually ended too but it was a necessary move that was good when the west did it.

In such a situation Russia and China too, have finally realised there is no pleasing the west except an unconditional surrender and given the choice they would rather be  your enemy than your bitch.

HI Sutton lost any credibility a long time ago.

I was scorned because he is an expert in the field... but even before the conflict you could see the little anti Russian barbs in his work that revealed him to be a hater.

I was evident in most western books on the Soviet Union during the cold war too.

I did not know that, but it is outraging how dirty these cowards are fighting.

There are no rules of war really... there are only winners and losers. It is not an accident that the US damaged Iraq with air power and sanctions long before sending in the tanks and when they sent in the tanks they operated at night or at max range where their superior optics were an advantage... not to mention artillery and air power support.

Harboring Ukrainian aircraft means a direct Nato involvement in strike missions against Russia.

We already know they have been getting recon information and planning assistance from the west including British special forces assistance... but most of it has been pathetic... how many of their naval spetsnaz did they lose for snake island?  Over and over again they got hammered.

Russia is not winning the war, at least not yet. It's a stalemate.

Of course they are winning... Kiev are barely holding on with the direct support of all of HATO... their big counter offensive has been pathetic and even their own descriptions of their performance show they know it has failed and been very costly.

Russia still has all its reserves and hasn't gone up to full war mode yet.... their economy has grown from the 6th largest in the world to the 5th largest... if Russian soldiers weren't dying they could continue doing this forever.

The front line isn't a stalemate... the Russians are on the defensive and the Orcs are destroying their forces and their reserves trying to push the Russian forces backwards. In quite a few areas the Russian forces have moved forward... so much for Kievs offensive.

If Russia went onto the offensive and the lines didn't move then that would be a stalemate but as I said in places Russian forces have moved forward even just holding the line.

2) Kalibr has between 1,500 to 2,500km range, they don't need those ships in black sea to launch Kalibr strikes on Ukraine.

Actually Kalibr has a range of 2,500km to 3,000km in the original version. The new 7m long 750mm calibre models that fit the UKSK launch tubes better should have a flight range similar to the Kh-101 they are based upon... so 4,500km.

5) certain members here like Mr HD appear only for a specific goal.  Simple fact that it still is allowed to post here is astounding and shows that trolls, bots and paid instigators can freely move around and trash the place.

Banning them does not make their stupid ideas go away, and of course looking the logical and sensible responses that refute the rubbish western news agencies are pumping out suggests they are failing in that mission too.

I wont ban them for being wrong... they probably have a vested interest in protecting the western way of life where the average bloke can work two jobs and his wife work three to pay the mortgage and keep their kids in school while the people making this war happen and are making trillions from it read what they say with contempt.

7) No, Russia didn't increase missile production because it circumvented sanctions and getting the chips from the west.  Chips used in most to all military equipment isn't top of the line and is usually on nodes as old as 90nm amd older.  To which Russia mass produces in those ranges.  Telegram channel's pushing this narrative but proclaim to be pro Russian, are simply adding fuel to this fake narrative.

Russia has been eliminating western components in its military gear for a decade or more now... that is well underway.

If Ukraine develops the ability to strike deep into Russia on a SUSTAINED basis, I would say that is trouble.

Well the funny thing is that the Su-24 is probably much better at low altitude attack than an F-16, and Storm Shadows are not that great either.... but here is the punchline... the ATACMs they keep bollocking on about is just a short range Honest John missile that Soviet air defence systems were designed to destroy... modern systems would find them to be a walk in the park so they will try to target civilians.

I would say the biggest fuckup of the Sevastopol strike is somehow allowing Ukraine to get several SU-24s into the air and fly them to launch positions and allowing them to land unmolested.

We don't really know what happened... they might not have taken off from anywhere in the Ukraine, but they would be launching them at near max range so from 500km away. The HATO Elint in the region would have spotted any AWACS and Su-35s flying around the place... remember there was no timetable they had to meet... they could launch any time day or night and they could wait till there is a gap or distraction to launch... and of course they will be launching other things to create a distraction to give their missiles the best chance of getting through.

This was a real effort and all they got was some very large drydock...

Its pretty absurd that precision guided muntions have been around for 40 years and people still think you need state of the art chips to make them. Then the same people claim the chip are coming from washing machines... is there a washing machine with a built in game console?

No worse than the idiots claiming 14nm is obsolete and if you don't have 3nm in production right now, then you are a backward ape.

SU-24 is a very capable platform, but there is NO WAY it should be able to waltz out over the Black Sea unobserved.

Who said it was unobserved?

The Ukraine is a big country and the volume of airspace they have to watch is enormous... thinking they can just tag something that takes off immediately... well I don't think you understand the problem properly.

The sinking of the cruiser means that Russia cannot put an AD picket outside Odessa so it could use MIG-31's flying CAP to cover the exit points. It only needs to keep 2 in the air but 7x24.

But if it only has two then launching some drones to distract them and some missiles to also take their time.. the black sea is over 400,000 square kilometres... but two MiGs can "cover" it.... that is very impressive.

They can fly super high and look down. Any SU-24s would get an R-37. Just having this patrol means the Ukrainians would be unlikely to try it.

With HATO support they would know their routines and when there are no planes in the places they want to fly.

They are arseholes... not idiots.

If the West manages to liquidate Kadyrov what will happen in Chechnya next? Russia cannot afford another war in Caucasus now.

If the west murders their leader do you think they will be fighting Putin or Kiev?

If it turns out that Ukraine or the West is behind Kadyrov poisoning then there are no more excuses for Russia not to go after Ukrainian leadership and start assassinating them. Kadyrov is one of the most important politicians in Russia.  Killing him is a major escalation. But knowing Putin and the Kremlin nothing will happen.

You do that all the time... you make up some shit and then you blame Putin for not reacting to your made up shit that hasn't happened. Why would he do anything when nothing has happened?

When something happens how about letting him wait till after it has happened and it is proven to have happened the way you claim and then actually wait to see what he does before calling him out on doing nothing when nothing has fucken happened.

You don't understand the western mindset.

The west has chosen to be part of the problem so why care about the western mindset at all... there is no pleasing them.

They will never accept other countries or continents as their equals.

Which is clearly why Russia has stopped trying... China has too... did you notice?

Hoping that a change of leadership will change the mindset and behavior of the West is childish.

He is not hoping anything.... when their plans fail they will likely get voted out of power and if the new leadership are the same then it will happen again... eventually they will work it out and grow up and act with maturity and respect... that will eventually happen but who cares if it takes a year or 100 years... he is Russian... it is not his problem. The west is over for Russia.

What needs to happen is a military defeat of the West and break of its unity.

That is not Russias problem.

The EU has been sabotaged by the US by turning them against Russia... that will be enough to damage their economy that can't be repaired without finding a new source of cheap raw materials. And Africa is already rebelling too.

Currently the West is too united and cohesive for the good of the rest of the world.

The growth of BRICS and the use of the US dollar as a weapon has already spelt the demise of teh US dollar... which was all that was holding the west together.

And now we instead have idiotic eastern slavs killing each other.

The slavs getting killed seemed rather keen to kill Russians for the entertainment of the US so forgive me if I don't shed too many tears at their deaths.

The unity of the West is really just the dominance of the USA. And the dominance of the USA is the dominance of one particular elite in it at the exclusion of everyone with more sensible opinions, such as Trump or that relative of Kennedy who's also tried to run for president.

The dominance is the money of corruption... the US dollar... and when it loses its power then it is time to pay the piper.

Much like Artemovsk/Bakhmut, which Ukraine has to take, but Russia really doesn't care about Russia is more than willing to seize all or parts of these towns and settlements, goad the Ukrainians in, rain down hell on them as they retreat, wash, rinse repeat.

Yes, this is not a stalemate, this is a meat grinder that Kiev keeps feeding more and more fresh meat in to.

The lines are largely static because it suits Russian purposes... where it makes sense to advance they will advance and sometimes they retreat and let the enemy rush forward so they can then hammer them with artillery and destroy them.

This is no stalemate.

But it is very interesting the west trying to sell it as a stalemate... maybe they want some peace talks to start because they are hurting a bit too?

All the talk of Russia moving from 6th largest economy to 5th but little mention that Germany was the one that went from 5th to 6th...

The Russia-Ukraine War makes it clear that the electromagnetic signature emitted from the command posts of the past 20 years cannot survive against the pace and precision of an adversary who possesses sensor-based technologies, electronic warfare, and unmanned aerial systems or has access to satellite imagery; this includes nearly every state or nonstate actor the United States might find itself fighting in the near future.

Translation... Orc and HATO HQs are getting pasted on a regular basis...

So they (as usual with no reverse as they know it means their days are numbered) will just force conscription when the time comes.

The irony is that the entire population of the US could decide to identify as pregnant females no matter whether they have a penis or not...

Very well said. I'm waiting for the day when sensible Americans stand up and take back control of their government from the greedy globalists and insane neocon nutjobs. Until that happens however, the US will continue its downward spiral....

If they introduce the draft the male population might disappear and become female and elderly and pregnant to avoid the draft...

Big_Gazza wrote:

Arrow wrote:

Those are nice examples of Su-24.  Its a pity that Russia has to destroy them, and its an affront to my sense of decency to see them with UK/French missiles on the wings with those bastardised decals emblazoned with propaganda icons.

Oh well.  cie la vie.  Now blow those cnts to HELL.

Russia should take exemple of the ukro usage of su-24. They have even better ones with a ready to use kh-59mk2, yet they keep using tupolevs with kh-101 or kh-22 instead.

Those ukro su-24 armed with storm shadow are beasts.

GarryB wrote:I was scorned because he is an expert in the field... but even before the conflict you could see the little anti Russian barbs in his work that revealed him to be a hater.

I was evident in most western books on the Soviet Union during the cold war too.

The most hillarious thing I found is that when you search for HI Sutton, Google gives you the answer 'internet personality'

Not author, not naval expert, or military historian - but internet personality. Like pick whatever your favourite YouTuber is internet personality

And that goes for all of them