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    Post  Arrow Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:39 am

    The US intends to increase ammunition production to 100k per month by 2025. It's amazing how far behind Russia it is in this respect. Since Russia is currently probably producing 2 million pieces a year.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:48 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    They could have made a HIMARS ripoff without the hassle of copying the whole truck (unless the truck is the only thing that this has in common with HIMARS?)  lol1

    Who? Koreans?
    They did. Only better. Laughing

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    600mm caliber MLRS and +/-500 km range is good enough? Twisted Evil

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    Post  higurashihougi Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:49 am

    https://www.rt.com/russia/583053-ukraine-army-decimated-losses/

    Ukrainian conscription officer reveals huge casualty rate

    Only 10-20% of those drafted in Poltava Region last fall are still fighting against Russia, Vitaly Berezhny was quoted as saying.


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    Solution of Maidan regime: "the officer suggested rolling out draft notification posts in a bid to “establish the presence of conscripts.”", i.e. more kidnapping citizens, more cannon fodders will be thrown out at the battlefield.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:20 am

    The Koreans need the range as they don't have a strike air force.

    Meanwhile the DLRS (Dual) Laughing continues to hammer targets

    From Kharkov they report four Iskander-class arrivals. The latter is especially close, after which the detonation continues for 20 minutes. Presumably a reinforced concrete building on the street. Kotlova or very close to it.

    The main detonation has ended, the fire and single explosions continue.

    #source

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    Post  Arrow Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:35 am


    It is very doubtful that NATO would reach more than 3 million soldiers.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:53 am

    Once they have cleared the site the PR team will be in claiming the evil Russians hit a medical site.

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    Details of the explosion in Zeleny Yar, Zaporozhye region

    At approximately 16:45, an arrival struck on the former bone and tuberculosis dispensary, which has housed the Ukrainian Armed Forces' Department of Emergency Medicine for a year now.

    As a result of the strike, over 10 armored vehicles and an ammunition depot was destroyed. The detonation lasted about an hour. After extinguishing the fire, the remains of the burnt equipment were taken out in the direction of Zaporozhye, scouts @treugolniklpr report.

    The number of dead Ukrainian Armed Forces militants is very high. Local Gauleiter Yuri Malashko only said that “after the drone strike, a fire started.”

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    Post  nomadski Sun Sep 17, 2023 11:10 am



    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66835210.amp

    Not inspected by Russia , ships go to port . Why ? Russia should have blown these up ! Are NATO dictating what weapons Kiev gets ? Is this the reason that interdiction along Polish border also non-existent ? So longer range weapons hit Russian targets , and destroys Ships and Subs . And Russia backs down ? Therefore the equation is : Either we hit you , and you back down , or we hit you more ,and embarrass you , and you back down ?

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    Post  Hole Sun Sep 17, 2023 11:45 am

    The Koreans need the range as they don't have a strike air force.
    The military strategy of the North for decades now is to hit all larger cities in the South with artillery after an attack by the US.
    That´s why they have those heavy and super-heavy MLR systems. Half of a North-Korean military parade consists of these systems.  Very Happy

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    Post  SolidarityWithRussia Sun Sep 17, 2023 11:49 am



    They basically shot themselves in the foot with their silly sanctions against Russia. By ruining their economy, they are also ruining their war machine.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Sep 17, 2023 12:38 pm

    I used the term , with the meaning in mind of a static frontline . This aspect seems the most important in military terms . If two sides manage to destroy various amounts of hard and soft targets , yet the frontlines remain static , then neither can say that they have won .

    A stalemate suggests both sides are trying to do something and failing because the other side is stopping them.

    The current situation is that Kievs forces are trying to push Russian forces back so they can retake the lost territory and reclaim and occupy the Crimea, and Russian forces are stopping them.

    Kiev is burning through all its weapons and ammo and most importantly men to try to push the Russians back while the Russians seem to be stopping them without using any of their reserves and in some places are pushing Kievs forces back.

    That is not a stalemate... that is one side running in to a brick wall.

    Winning in war is ultimately a matter of gaining territory .

    Not at all. If you are killing off your enemies forces by trading territory and taking it back then that is destroying your enemy.

    Modern warfare is mobile so territory is not worth dying for... especially if you can withdraw and when the enemy moves forward to occupy the land you just vacated you hammer them with airpower and artillery and destroy his forces who your ground forces then counter attack and push them back out of the territory they just took at enormous cost and lost armour they would have to leave behind too.


    To my mind , the problem is not that the numbers of Ukrainian losses are wrong , or that Russia lacks in weapons . I think , it is to do with a state of mind , a kind of thinking that delays action . A lack of urgency , or even willingness to even take low casualties ?

    This conflict is damaging the west... HATO is infighting, the US is telling Europe to break their economies by cutting ties with Russia, giving up cheap energy and resources, the Ukraine is bleeding itself to death to please the west whom they think will save them... think about their history in that regard...

    If that is their thinking , then they are wrong . Russia will not win a conventional war against Ukraine + NATO .

    Russia cares about most Ukrainians... I think they would love an excuse to nuke US bases in Poland and the Baltic states...

    but why do you think they would not beat HATO... after half their aircraft get shot down and all their recon and AWACS aircraft are smashed... not to mention HQs and comms centres in Europe smashed by conventional hypersonic missiles how much of a threat would HATO actually be... are their troops so much better trained than these Ukrainans... is there a secret handshake that stops artillery shells killing Polish troops the way they kill Ukrainian troops?

    A conventional war between Russia and NATO , even in Ukraine , will last at best 24 hours , before it turns Nuclear anyway .

    The US will tell Poland that if they want to join the conflict they do so on their own because the entire HATO fighting Russia justifies the use of nuclear weapons even if they might just start with hypersonic weapons destroying HATO aircraft and HQs and other military targets.

    Belarus now has nukes... do you think that was a political move or are they there to be used in case Poland sends forces into the Ukraine or attacks Kaliningrad...

    They diserved every loss they had with their dumb attitude.

    All powerful HATO supporting and planning such missions, I would say their performance so far has been pathetic.

    Nothing lost so far has been catastrophic or game changing and the response has sent more orcs to bandera.

    How many more escalations are needed before the Russians start to target things that really hurt that might start to depopulate the country... is the EU ready for 5 million more Ukrainians?

    My bad. Sorry. The answer can be directed to the ones above saying it's old.

    The Kilo class is not a new design... it is almost 40 years old now... but then a little external fire damage might be very superficial and very easily fixed.

    That small corvette whose superstructure caught fire and burned... they fixed that up pretty quickly and without much fuss at all.

    And an old landing ship.... well they do have to ask themselves if they are worth fixing or writing them off and building new vessels makes sense.

    It was not a Lada class SSK which is their newest type.

    Like say a Leopard 2 or a Challenger 2 being destroyed that are their newest types.

    Another good reason why Ukrainian cities needs to get firebombed. These machines will be hosted in civilian buildings with the hope that Russia will not hit them. Powerplants needs to be leveled too to deprive the Nazis of heat for the winter. The Special Extermination Operation should aim for more Ukrainian and NATO casualties.

    Good reason to hit their electricity grid.

    They could have made a HIMARS ripoff without the hassle of copying the whole truck (unless the truck is the only thing that this has in common with HIMARS?)

    HIMARS is a 227mm calibre rocket but we have claims of enormous ranges... I would be very interested in seeing how the North Koreans managed to create 227mm calibre rockets with a flight range of over 100km... claiming up to 200km... but I suspect we will find their payloads for the 200km range versions are rather smaller and lighter than the payloads for the 100km versions.... should be interesting.

    But by all means I think Russia should take the opportunity to test them in combat and see how they go.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Sep 17, 2023 12:49 pm

    The US intends to increase ammunition production to 100k per month by 2025. It's amazing how far behind Russia it is in this respect. Since Russia is currently probably producing 2 million pieces a year.

    Well 100K per month means 1.2 million per year... but in two years time how many will Russia be making.

    600mm caliber MLRS and +/-500 km range is good enough?

    That is what they use instead of Iskander.

    It is very doubtful that NATO would reach more than 3 million soldiers.

    Such concentrations of forces would justify the use of nukes...

    They basically shot themselves in the foot with their silly sanctions against Russia. By ruining their economy, they are also ruining their war machine.

    So he wants private investors to pay to set up ammo production in the hopes that will reduce the costs of gauging they are currently experiencing from government funded arms production factories.

    But HATO will have 3.5 million troops ready to support Kiev... they will just have to bring their own rifles... and ammo.

    HATO looks more and more like a paper tiger.

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    Post  PhSt Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:26 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:Lots of reports in twitter saying Ramzan Kadyrov is in a coma. If true it seems like a successful Ukrainian/Western intelligence operaation as Kadyrov has managed to keep Chechnya loyal to Russia and he has sent his soldiers to fight in Ukraine. If the West manages to liquidate Kadyrov what will happen in Chechnya next? Russia cannot afford another war in Caucasus now.


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    https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/81488


    This has been debunked. Now kill yourself for being a NATzO troll

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Sep 17, 2023 3:19 pm

    Looks as fresh as a dead, as all Russkie generals killed multiple times on Twitter, if you ask me Laughing

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Sep 17, 2023 3:36 pm

    ALAMO wrote:Looks as fresh as a dead, as all Russkie generals killed multiple times on Twitter, if you ask me Laughing

    Kadyrov in coma is more aware than Biden sleeping every minute of rso during speeches lol1 lol1 lol1

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Sep 17, 2023 3:36 pm

    Pay some respect to the walking commercial of geriatric therapy accessible to the most wealthy in the US Laughing

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    Post  Regular Sun Sep 17, 2023 3:45 pm

    Thoughts about how Ukrainian Shark UAVs can penetrate and help target Russian AA systems? It seems shitty drones always slip through with no issues, when more sophisticated ones are slapped out of the sky.

    https://x.com/Kingstyler88/status/1703375441103409515?s=20

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    Post  kvs Sun Sep 17, 2023 4:15 pm

    How legit are these video claims? Cheap small drones are very hard to detect. Every target does not have a local SAM or Pantzir equivalent to take them out.
    Why would Russian forces be immune? In war what counts is sufficiency and not perfection. Perfection is an asymptotic ideal that can never be reached.

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    Post  Hole Sun Sep 17, 2023 4:35 pm

    Well, if all those Ukro videos are true they must be in Mariupol for at least a month now.

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    Post  Godric Sun Sep 17, 2023 5:14 pm

    RuAF bombs Kharkov repair plant for military vehicles, and if the video above is correct about the HaHols demanding more ammunition, it must mean there stocks are running low

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    Post  thegopnik Sun Sep 17, 2023 5:49 pm

    Confused? action is coming?

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    Post  Belisarius Sun Sep 17, 2023 6:36 pm

    Shark UAV madness continues, a thread:

    Just yesterday we got footage of a UA Shark UAV destroying 3 BUK SAM systems at once. This comes after a series of SPGs and other HVTs being destroyed in the same manner. Notably cumulating in the destruction of a Smerch (img#2) 2 weeks ago

    Ukraine also operates Buk and Smerch, and in this low-resolution footage we can't see any identification marks.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Sep 17, 2023 6:52 pm

    Belisarius wrote:
    Ukraine also operates Buk and Smerch, and in this low-resolution footage we can't see any identification marks.

    This kind of conspiracy theory gets more natural as soon as we remind ourselves how they have burned Tors to make propaganda material.
    With a fukin grill igniter Laughing Laughing

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    Post  mnztr Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:09 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:Looks as fresh as a dead, as all Russkie generals killed multiple times on Twitter, if you ask me Laughing

    Kadyrov in coma is more aware than Biden sleeping every minute of rso during speeches lol1 lol1 lol1

    Biden is like an only laptop with a windows update. Just blue screens very often. lol

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    Post  Hole Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:42 pm

    they have burned Tors 
    Did you mean the Tunguskas?

    Biden is like an only laptop with a windows update. 
    As some dude put it: Biden has 20 Tabs open, 19 are frozen and he doesn´t know where the music is coming from.  lol1

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    Post  TMA1 Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:51 pm

    "As some dude put it: Biden has 20 Tabs open, 19 are frozen and he doesn´t know where the music is coming from."

    lol... yeah that crazy guy... actually that quote is me in a nutshell. I do not horde anything irl but there is one thing I do horde. I have millions of saved favorite websites and always have fifty tabs open. Embarassed and yes when I am on my phone it is terminally at 15 percent battery life lol

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