Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48

Tolstoy wrote:

AMCXXL wrote:Supossed russian losses in the war against NATO

Bull! We never lost 3 Su-35

There was one clear destroyed. One when they introduced manpad in russia and shot down few object but russians never revealed any picture. Idk about the third.

Su-30Sm were also destroyed in the air but also on the ground. Su-34 number seem a bit high.

Overall this is a good estimation IMO. But knowing how many advanced AD they had and received from nato it's quite low.

Also it's been months since no real interczption of russian fighters in the air. Gliding bombs and r-37M do the job very well.

Like 50+/- aircraft traded for dismantling the strongest air defense in all of Europe? Read that more than all of Europe combined.
Seems a scary low.

Air Force officers now used as infantry? Or how else did 5 of them get to the front?

Difficult or impossible to inspect grain Ship or cargo Ship at sea , by boarding it . Need to open and empty every container and empty the Ship's hold of grain ! Therefore inspection must be done at Port , during loading / offloading / reloading .Therefore Turkey to ensure compliance with Montreux convention ; A non-passage of warship in wartime , or Ship that is carrying Arms , must allow Russian inspections at Port , before passage through straits allowed . If not then Russia can assume : First that Turkey not neutral in war and second that Ship carries Arms and legitimate target , together with any escorts that intervene . Applies to both outward and inward journey , in and out of Black Sea , since equipment could be sent out of Ukraine for repairs and returned , together with carrying other war useful material goods or funds !


Edit again ! What if Ships carry purely civilian goods , and they have been even inspected ? Then , as I have said a few times before , does the funds from sales to go the military ? If it does then , it should still be stopped , despite inspections . But what if does not ? If is spent on the civilian sector entirely , and the Orcs do not get any of it ? What then ? Can we say " Just because Russia gets no grain sales , then punish the civilians and their economy ? " Why not sanction Mexican farmers then ? Intercept their ships ? They have absolutely nothing to do with Orcs either ! Makes no sense right ? I have said before that Russia economic intelligence unit , should make a determination on this subject .

JohninMK wrote:Air Force officers now used as infantry? [/embed]

"Air Forces" is only where they serve. There are tons of vacancies in Air Forces for officers who are not pilots. But I gues that considering the circumstances, they can spare them all.

Tolstoy wrote:

AMCXXL wrote:Supossed russian losses in the war against NATO

Bull! We never lost 3 Su-35

We definitely saw the wreck of one earlier in the war.

And then there was the ambush of the Russian fighter/bomber group earlier this year, there were 1-2 Su-35s covering the tactical bombers if I'm not mistaken?

flamming_python wrote:

And then there was the ambush of the Russian fighter/bomber group earlier this year, there were 1-2 Su-35s covering the tactical bombers if I'm not mistaken?

Yeah but those shot downs were never confirmed except internet experts. So I won't count them as confirmed.

1 of those 5 air force officers looks Ukrainian. The others have that Chechen look. But the small number of those fighting for Ukr would never surrender

https://www.rt.com/news/582647-g20-declaration-ukraine-modi/

G20 final declaration acknowledges difference of opinion on Ukraine

There was no condemnation of Russia in the final document following the high-profile meeting in New Delhi

With Russian President Vladimir Putin and his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping both skipping the event in New Delhi, the media expected the summit to be dominated by the US and its allies. However, the West was unable to persuade the nations of the so-called Global South to change their stance on the crisis.

The final text of the declaration said that the G20 members “highlighted the human suffering and negative added impacts of the war in Ukraine with regard to global food and energy security, supply chains, macro-financial stability, inflation and growth.” Developing countries, which have already been hit hard by the Covid-19 pandemic, are the ones suffering the most due to the conflict, it added.

However, the document stressed that “there were different views and assessments of the situation” among the members about the conflict in Ukraine.

Developing countries, which have already been hit hard by the Covid-19 pandemic

Thanks to western regimes.

highlighted the human suffering

Were the US and their minions ever condemned for their actions in the last 50+ years?

global food and energy security, supply chains, macro-financial stability, inflation and growth.

Nobody is holding the western regimes back to cancel their stupid sanctions against Russia.

Group of GUR operatives destroyed while trying to cross border in Bryansk region.
https://t.me/boris_rozhin/97080?single

General Surovikin was elected chairman of the CIS coordinating committee on air defense issues. All representatives of the CIS Council of Defense Ministers voted for his candidacy. Kornukov was in the same position whilst still commander-in-chief of Russian Air Force.


So the communal sewers of Telegram and the gossiping fishwives like Rybar were spreading bs about Surovikin. As if he was in legal trouble or in jail. Russia needs an alt media that denies stuff like this instead of spreading it

I really hope Russia is not stupid enough to freeze the conflict.

Backman wrote:General Surovikin was elected chairman of the CIS coordinating committee on air defense issues. All representatives of the CIS Council of Defense Ministers voted for his candidacy. Kornukov was in the same position whilst still commander-in-chief of Russian Air Force.

Largely ceremonial role, as CIS alliance is nowadays. It carries no military power, whatsoever.

Difficult or impossible to inspect grain Ship or cargo Ship at sea , by boarding it .

That is not true. Sniffer dogs can be very effective and efficient and some of the things being smuggled are big and bulky?

Need to open and empty every container and empty the Ship's hold of grain !

Yeah, but the ships going to the Ukraine are not filled with grain, it is ships leaving Ukrainian ports that are full of grain.

Ships going to the Ukraine filled with weapons or ammo are the problem and such ships can be seized or sunk if they think there is something hidden there... the west does such things all the time.

Largely ceremonial role, as CIS alliance is nowadays. It carries no military power, whatsoever.

The expansion of HATO to Russian borders I would think a decent integrated air defence of CIS countries would be rather more important now than ever before... and working with other countries to integrate them into a unified cooperating defence system is something HATO has failed to achieved and it shows.

I really hope Russia is not stupid enough to freeze the conflict.

I think it is pretty clear to Russia that defeat of Kievs armed forces is the only solution and that signatures from Kiev or EU or HATO or US are not worth anything at all...

And promises are worth even less hense the stance on the grain deal.

GarryB wrote:

The expansion of HATO to Russian borders I would think a decent integrated air defence of CIS countries would be rather more important now than ever before... and working with other countries to integrate them into a unified cooperating defence system is something HATO has failed to achieved and it shows.

I'm sure Moldova can't wait to integrate its air defence with Russia. Some "alliance" that is, where half of the members are on brink of war among themselves, while Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan are sending weapons to Ukraine.

From fighter bomber 

This solution was urgently developed, and literally in a couple of days it was installed at one airfield to protect aircraft from drones.
The dimensions allow this solution to be used for almost all tactical aircraft and some types of helicopters.
If necessary, tarpaulin curtains impregnated with fire-resistant compounds are added in front and behind.

Then he rambles on about shit he shouldn't be airing in public. But hey, military bloggers 


The nuance in the implementation of such solutions is not only that money or sponsors must be found somewhere for these structures (this shelter costs about ten million rubles, and it was “donated” to the military by one of the enterprises), but also, of course, that someone should take responsibility for him.
Because it is completely unclear how and on what basis the technical documentation of such structures will be agreed upon, how they will be put on the balance sheet and who will pay the fees, or simply sit down if some beam falls off during operation and some expensive spare part will be screwed on from the letable , or blow off the head of some serviceman. Or, while trying to taxi, the pilot will crash into it.
That’s why I say that trying to blame and hang the problem of shelters on air regiments is the way to a point. Moscow must solve this problem. And you need to decide quickly.



What about shipping containers ? If there's any bases close to ports, shipping containers stacked 2 high on each side. Then pull the cover over them

caveat emptor wrote:

Backman wrote:General Surovikin was elected chairman of the CIS coordinating committee on air defense issues. All representatives of the CIS Council of Defense Ministers voted for his candidacy. Kornukov was in the same position whilst still commander-in-chief of Russian Air Force.

Largely ceremonial role, as CIS alliance is nowadays. It carries no military power, whatsoever.

You still think he was in jail then ? And now he's been released and taken a post at the CIS ? Just bc he took this post doesn't even mean that he is out of the military either.

I had to start cooking with Olive oil and Lard , instead of vegetable oil . Will it make any difference , if I complained to my MP ? How about a poor consumer in Africa , depending on cheap Bread ? Will it make a difference , if she complained to local politician ? How about a Ukrainian farmer , not able to sell ? Will it make any difference , if he complained to the Orcs or Biden ? No , the answer is no . They are all a prisoner of the Global Dollar economy , or bribed by it .

But in war , when we do not know the intricate detail , or can not analyse , then we test . We press a button , and wait for a result . And if we test something , and give enough time , for a possible response , and it is not forthcoming , then we press another button . Has the button of grain embargo been pressed long enough ? What are the results ?

And if desired outcome is not reached , then find alternative solution . Alternative button to press for Russia grain exports , as I said before , is to sell to numerous anonymous middleman , small traders , at reduced prices . This allows greater profit and motivation for buyers . Payments could be by barter system , to bypass the Dollar stranglehold on the swift Banking system .

The West is not interested in political or demographic stability of Ukraine . If so , then their special forces , sporting an Everest conquering Beard , would not have been allowed to supply training and weapons to Nazi scumbags , busy with ethnic cleansing . Failing farms , and farmers going out of business , and land ready for sale to foreign ( European , American Dollar buyers ) capital , text book definition of colonialism .

Just to sum up, here is a standard T-80BV being used in theatre.



Factory made modernization including all around anti drone ERA panels, top coverage etc.

And something that is cited to be second Ch2 knocked out.

https://t.me/c/1638135777/20233




BUT it might be the first one, only with newly destroyed friends assisting. I am not sure.

caveat emptor wrote:

GarryB wrote:

The expansion of HATO to Russian borders I would think a decent integrated air defence of CIS countries would be rather more important now than ever before... and working with other countries to integrate them into a unified cooperating defence system is something HATO has failed to achieved and it shows.

I'm sure Moldova can't wait to integrate its air defence with Russia. Some "alliance" that is, where half of the members are on brink of war among themselves, while Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan are sending weapons to Ukraine.

The CIS is not an alliance, it's an organization of ex-Soviet countries for convenience's sake

You're thinking of the CSTO

As for the CIS air defense committee, I don't know what they would responsible for. Maybe joint air defense against asteroids and other space objects? Or informing each other of test missile launches so they don't shoot each other down?

I'm sure Moldova can't wait to integrate its air defence with Russia. Some "alliance" that is, where half of the members are on brink of war among themselves, while Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan are sending weapons to Ukraine.

In their current form, but what will they be like in 5 or ten years time... especially if the economies of Europe collapse and all its industries run to the US because of big money being offered by the US government... but the decline in the use of the US dollar might make their currency collapse too... when they can't offer huge bribes they are not so interesting any more and it also becomes more valuable to have solid air defence in place.

Azeris and Kazakhs selling weapons to Kiev... likely paid for by the west... is it any different to Russia selling Uranium and oil and gas to the EU and US whose factories also make weapons going to Kiev?

What about shipping containers ? If there's any bases close to ports, shipping containers stacked 2 high on each side. Then pull the cover over them

And heavy rain or snow?

A ton of snow falling on an aircraft is a ton of snow... plus are you sure they will stop drones flying into the front open areas?

These drones could be manually flown so a big open front would be the obvious direction to attack from...

They are all a prisoner of the Global Dollar economy , or bribed by it .

Russia is breaking free from the US dollar... the US gave them no other choice in the matter really.

And if desired outcome is not reached , then find alternative solution . Alternative button to press for Russia grain exports , as I said before , is to sell to numerous anonymous middleman , small traders , at reduced prices . This allows greater profit and motivation for buyers . Payments could be by barter system , to bypass the Dollar stranglehold on the swift Banking system .

The real solution for Russia is to ship its own goods to the world and not rely on European insurance companies and EU ports to ship them through... but that takes time and money.

As for the CIS air defense committee, I don't know what they would responsible for. Maybe joint air defense against asteroids and other space objects? Or informing each other of test missile launches so they don't shoot each other down?

It is a group of countries that share borders mainly, so I suspect it would be more a case of talking together and synchronising things so members don't get surprised... or used by third parties.

Ukrainians launching drone attacks from Moldova into EU states pretending to be Russians to get something going might be an example.

Natzo training seems to be paying off...