Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48

This is good news how Russia is adapting itself to drone warfare. I would say Russia is learning from this war much faster than the US. So using Ukraine as a testground was not such a smart idea from Natzo.

Isos wrote:Took them months to relocate. More pathetic than anything else.

months form which attack precisely?

JohninMK wrote:Out of drone range    Use your assets to your advantage, huge distances and cheap fuel.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1703810104506589380

holy shit!!! it took them this long to realize it? now about the subs and ships getting hit by explosive drone problem.

JohninMK wrote:Out of drone range    Use your assets to your advantage, huge distances and cheap fuel.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1703810104506589380

What if NATO hosts Ukrainian UAVs on Finnish soil to launch attacks on Russia's north to test how Russia will react when another red line is crossed? I hope Russia don't hold back this time and sterilize both Finland and the Baltics to make way for its future Russian inhabitants.

1,587 km Distance from Hattuvaara to Vorkuta

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hattuvaara

It is the most eastern village in Finland and in the continental part of European Union (in the EU, only Cyprus is located further to the east). The easternmost point of Finland and of the continental European Union is located on an island in the lake Virmajärvi 19 km east from Hattuvaara.

Vorkuta Sovetskiy is a military airfield in the Komi Republic, Russia, located 11 km east of Vorkuta

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorkuta_Sovetsky_(air_base)

The President's Office spent two months resolving the issue of purchasing old dry cargo ships, which will now be used to enter Odessa. Our source from the Office of the President reported that the goal is to provoke Russia into action.
Bloomberg: Ukraine is challenging Russia's de facto blockade of its Black Sea ports. Two ships confirmed their readiness to use the route to Chernomorsk to load almost 20 thousand tons of wheat for Africa and Asia, said Minister of Infrastructure Alexander Kubrakov. The vessels fly the flag of Palau, and the crew members represent Turkey, Azerbaijan, Egypt and Ukraine. The vessels "Resilient Africa" ​​and "Aroyat" are now located between the Danube Delta and Odessa.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/19691

Our source reports that the Russians are hitting the port infrastructure because they do not want to fall for the provocation prepared by the president’s office with the passage of ships along the “alternative grain” route. The real role and purpose of such an “alternative path” is to cause a direct attack by Russia on merchant ships.
Now the fifth vessel, the bulk carrier PUMA (Cayman Islands), loaded with 16 thousand tons of metal and 14 thousand tons of rapeseed, has left the seaport of Odessa and headed to the Bosphorus along a temporary corridor in which the Russian Federation does not participate.

Data from the Marine Traffic portal indicate that the ship has already reached the port of Istanbul.

Russia decided to demolish the entire port infrastructure rather than sink the ships.

Then the ships will have nowhere to go to load. For example, the efficiency of the ports of Izmail and Reni has decreased by 45% since the end of the grain deal. Every day less and less cargo is shipped and loaded there.

People at Bankova are not particularly happy that the Russians did not fall for the prepared trap. This would be an excellent case before the UN General Assembly.

https://t.me/legitimniy/16276

JohninMK wrote:Out of drone range    Use your assets to your advantage, huge distances and cheap fuel.

Very good location for the area of Europe, Atlantic, North America and others. Also very easy to defend with S-400 and TOR. Sabotage teams should also find it very difficult to operate here. Not even KSK and SAS will want to play the snowman here.

There is also a small local town which offers enough variety. Even with an airport and train station. The base should be massively expanded, which should also revitalize the city. There is definitely a lack of covered shelters with side nets that can be closed all around.

But please, finally invest in heated comfort for the troops and technicians! So there is also a hangar that is heated and much more.

ALAMO wrote:

Scorpius wrote:
I do not see any damage to the main structures - ruptures of the hull coating do not make the ship unsuitable for further service. In fact, statements have already been made that both the ship and the submarine will be restored after repairs.

This thing is toasted, with clear and visible signs of the internal explosion of a big warhead that tore it apart inside. The blast wave was so powerful that it blew away the front emergency hatch.
Try to be serious.

And your estimation is that Russia should do nothing in retaliation ?

The fact that a fuckhead like Blinkin arrives in Kiev , has a Big Mac and says that they (the US) are going to strike Russia in Crimea. Then the next day , they take out a sub and landing ship , and Russia has no immediate retaliatory response is just too fucking weak for me.

It is a war. Ukraine govt buildings are legit targets. But no. They convene an emergency natl security council meeting at the Kremlin and decide to do nothing.

lancet production increased dramatically; 3 new miniature kamikaze drones introduced in the past two weeks. Is there some new MMIC production facility that has been completely built?

How is this wrong ? At some point the US will go too far. Then what ?

Paul Craig Roberts


Armenia, despite being a member of Russia’s Collective Security Treaty Organization, began last Monday joint military exercises with the United States that will conclude September 20.  


This would appear to be Armenia’s finger in Russia’s eye.  Clearly, Big Bucks Washington bribed someone in Armenia. The Russians are yet to learn that Putin’s idealism exists nowhere else and that they must out-bribe the Americans.


About a year ago Washington organized “Regional Cooperation 2022,” an  exercise of the US armed forces with the former Soviet Central Asian Republics of Tajikistan, Kazakhstan, Kryrgyzstan, and Uzbekistan. 


As Washington’s cover for stirring up new troubles for Russia, Washington’s ambassador to Tajikistan, John Pommersheim, explained Washington’s presence in Central Asia as working on peaceful responses to global challenges.  


Just as Putin, the Kremlin, the Russian media sat sitting on their butts for 8 years  while Washington built and equipped an Ukrainian Army poised to destroy the Russian peoples in the Donbas breakaway republics,  the Kremlin, and the Russians media sit on their butts doing nothing while Washington, motivated by Putin’s  failure to bring the Ukrainian war to an end, prepares to present the butt-sitter with another Ukraine in Central Asia.


It seems Russians, too, can be insouciant.   I sometimes wonder if they realize that they are at war. Russian tourists  flock to Europe to have their cars and personal possessions stollen as sanctioned goods.  


And instead of warning the weak, essentially militarily irrelevant EU countries, the Kremlin warns its own citizens.


The persona of  irresoluteness, indecision, inability to act that the Kremlin broadcasts to the world encourages Washington to ever more  provocations that will eventually go too far.

Russia needs to make a declaration that because of the brazen terrorist attack on a naval repair facility in Crimea which damaged two naval vessels of the Rus navy, Russia will retaliate by firebombing Ukrainian government centers in Kiev and more power, water and food infrastructures.

NATO will bitch all day for sure but this gesture will make it CLEAR to everyone that future attacks on Russia's military assets will result in more DESTRUCTION of the enemy.


There is a recent article that talked about what is preventing Russia from carpet bombing Ukraine, and the main reason is that half of the bombers that will be sent will get shot down by air defenses. This makes sense because of the still existent air defense capabilities of Ukraine, BUT, this is where glide bombs come into play, where the bombs can be deployed far away from enemy air defenses.

with Russia's new glide bombs, perhaps Russia modify their largest bombers like the Tu-95s to become like Glide bomb carriers where they will be able to carry dozens of these munitions and then release these weapons in succession from a safe distance creating a carpet bomb effect without the risk of flying over hostile enemy territory.

How is this wrong ? At some point the US will go too far. Then what ?

After Ukraine is liberated and all its inhabitants are exterminated, Finland and the Baltics will have be next on the extermination list. After the Western flank of Russia is secured, all other former soviet territories will have to submit to Russia or  be the next target of the special extermination operation. If NATO interferes, launch the nukes. Its that simple.

Scorpius wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Good thing is that Russian Navy's reputation and credibility is already in the shitter so this won't have any meaningful effect on overall morale
Order a new one and tell the Navy to STFU as it gets built

My God, I'm starting to understand why Yugoslavia was fucked in 1999. If your military were all such crying pussies, offended little girls like you on this forum, then it becomes completely clear to me why everything was exactly the way it was. Just keep yourself in hand while the men deal with the problem.

Let me just remind you that there is a deep gap between reasonable constructive criticism and non-stop defeatist whining. Do you want to suck a USA dick? You can go and do it right now, it's your right. But do not agitate someone else, this is your personal choice, and it should not concern someone else.

While heroic Yugoslavia stood alone against NATO, you have invited Finnish thralls as your ruling dynasty and were pushed around in your own country by a tiny ethnic German minority.

more and more videos are appearing online showing Geran-2 kamikaze drones hitting their targets

As I mentioned in another thread, there should be multiple versions of Geran-2, like a version with a quieter engine for SHOCK night raids, munitions should also be interchangeable, for example, instead of HE, arm other versions with incendiary laods to firebomb strategic targets like water and food storage, poweplants, and other essential infrastructures to impose more pain and misery to the enemy.  

PhSt wrote:

How is this wrong ? At some point the US will go too far. Then what ?

After Ukraine is liberated and all its inhabitants are exterminated, Finland and the Baltics will have be next on the extermination list. After the Western flank of Russia is secured, all other former soviet territories will have to submit to Russia or  be the next target of the special extermination operation. If NATO interferes, launch the nukes. Its that simple.

Do not count on this taking place under Putin.


Sad dose of reality.

Western media stated that it was BUK M3 that was taken out, although the videos you couldn't make out exactly what was hit, then the images shown by Ukraine and western media was BUK M2, so something is a miss.

@garryb the 600mm 500km range KN-25 you mentioned isn't what they use instead of iskander it's a direct copy of HIMARS look at the system and look at HIMARS it's 99% identical.

When they want to use something similar to Iskander they have KN-23 which is 99% identical to Iskander although I doubt it has the decoys etc etc. See KN-23 below

ALAMO wrote:Kilo looks way worse than Ropucha. It's dead meat.

Really, is that your expert opinion as a shipbuilding specialist?

I see a sub with two areas of localised damage and likely some internal fire damage, but certainly nothing that is not fully repairable. I'd give it two years tops and the Rostov-on-Don will back in the water.

Man, I just don't understand the doomerism in this fcking place. People who should know better spreading total nonsense...

Hole wrote:

The base is located 2.4 thousand km from the border with Ukraine, it takes three and a half hours to fly to the launch…

In reality the missile carriers could launch their cruise missiles right after take off and still hit any location inside Banderastan.

Now that the INF treaty is toast I think Russia needs to reinstate the mobile GLCM. Not just Iskander-K/9M728 but the full range Kalibre.

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:So let me get this straight... We have some very good footage of the event in Konstantinovka, and a lot can be seen and heard in it.

• 1. The munition is a missile/rocket with its motor still running, as it can be loudly heard approaching prior to the strike.
  
  
• 2. People on the street can be seen reacting to the sound, and they look towards it seconds before it hits.
  
  
  • 2.1 Rules out a glide bomb (a glide bomb doesn't make any sound).
    2.2 Rules out an MLRS rocket or a ballistic missile (rocket artillery only burns for a few seconds when launched, a ballistic missile for a bit longer as it gains altitude, it flies silently, ballistically the rest of the way to the target).
    
  
  
  
• 3. These people are looking to the northwest (as can be determined by geolocating the street).
  
  •    3.1 Ergo, it came from Ukrainian-held territory to the north-west, in the direction of Kramatorsk.
    
  
  
  
• 4. It shows up in two frames as a reflection in two different car roofs, and it is not large, it has a thin profile and no big wings or anything.
  
  • 4.1 As with the sound, these visual characteristics also rule out a glide bomb (a glide bomb is fat and has wings).
    4.2 The visual characteristics also rule out a cruise missile (a CM is huge and has big conspicuous wings).
    
  
  
  
• 5. People in the area northwest of Konstantinovka were quoted as having observed Ukrainian missile launches by Ukrainian strike aircraft taking place minutes before this strike.
  
  
• 6. No Russian strikes were reported at the time, there was no air raid alert or anything.
  

And the explosion is far too small for a cruise missile, ballistic missile or glide bomb. So that fact alone rules out those three as well.

Ergo: adding 1+1 together, it is established beyond reasonable doubt that it was a Ukrainian missile, most likely an AGM-88 HARM that was launched in the air by a Ukrainian MiG-29 to the northeast of Konstantinovka, missed its intended target (some Russian radio emitter) and accidentally struck civilians. This exact thing has occured on multiple occasions before, at least one of which even got acknowledged by western media (yes, as crazy as that sounds), eg:

The New York Times: an air-launched AGM-88B missile, built to destroy enemy radars, apparently missed its target and hit an apartment building in Kramatorsk in September.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/24/world/europe/ukraine-american-missile.html

There is a slight possibility that it was a Ukrainian air defense missile (S-300 or what have you) that went awry as well, but as no Russian aerial activity had been reported, while Ukrainian ditto had, it is more likely to have been associated with the latter (ie an air-launched HARM).

A Russian strike can be ruled out based on the direction of travel and the visual and aural characteristics of the weapon:

• 1. The only way a Russian missile with its motor still running could have come from the northwest would have been a cruise missile fired from the Belgorod, Kursk or Bryansk regions (or Belarus).
  
  •   1.1 This can be ruled out based on the shape of the missile.
      1.2 This can also be ruled out by the fact that no CM strike was ongoing (NATO surveillance is very thorough and they instantly alert Ukraine, which then immediately issues regional alerts).
      1.3 ...And nobody reported hearing or seeing it at any time during the 100s of kilometers of Ukrainian-held territory it would have to have flown over, subsonically at low altitude.
    
  
  
  

This is not rocket science (yeah, yeah), just 1+1.

Yet, literally all western media is uncritically parroting Zelenskys remarks of "Russian barbarianism" and what not. Zero reflection, zero research.

It is absolutely astonishing to observe. It is not the first time, though, as many of you know. The New York Times piece above that acknowledges a Ukrainian cock-up is one of the very few times it's been acknowledged by western media. But there are dozens of examples of similarly 100% verifiable Ukrainian strikes (whether accidental or malicious, sometimes you wonder) having taken place over the course of the conflict, and most of them are regularly brought up to this day as clear-cut examples of absolutely intentional "Russian barbarism".

Lo and behold.

Evidence Suggests Ukrainian Missile Caused Market Tragedy
Witness accounts and an analysis of video and weapon fragments suggest a Ukrainian missile failed to hit its intended target and landed in a bustling street, with devastating consequences.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/18/world/europe/ukraine-missile-kostiantynivka-market.html

Just like last time, the NYT gets the job of belatedly breaking the obvious. Nobody's going to juxtapose this with Zelensky et als indignant ramblings though, god forbid anyone reflect over the constant lies.

I see that there were lots of pretty fireworks around Nazi Banderastan in the past couple days. Anyone know what infrastructure Ukraine exchanged for a couple old tubs in dry dock? Like I said, sure Ukraine wins propaganda victories, but they always pay for it in infrastructure.

Oh and help me out here, considering how "successful" the Ukrehrmacht's offensive has been, why are they sacking defense minsiters? Corruption you say? That's nice, but this is war time. Since when did winning generals and commanders get sacked during war time? Or is the western media lying again?

PhSt wrote:
What if NATO hosts Ukrainian UAVs on Finnish soil to launch attacks on Russia's north to test how Russia will react when another red line is crossed? I hope Russia don't hold back this time and sterilize both Finland and the Baltics to make way for its future Russian inhabitants.

Everybody knows that Russian reponse would be exactly the same as it has been on the gazillions of red lines already crossed by NATO since February of last year.

Hole wrote:

The base is located 2.4 thousand km from the border with Ukraine, it takes three and a half hours to fly to the launch…

In reality the missile carriers could launch their cruise missiles right after take off and still hit any location inside Banderastan.

They have dedicated launch area for bombers over the norther Caspian just south of Astrakhan. I think the site was chosen so as to minimize the flight of launched missiles over populated Russian territory. You don't want dozens of cruise missiles whizzing over your major cities and towns on their way to Ukraine.