Crimea and ex-Ukrainian/Black Sea regions integration into RF

Yeah, sure. Supposedly hot weather has no impact on human physiology and brain function. Except when you
look at the global north-tropics (not north-south) distribution of countries you see poverty and corruption
concentrated in the hot ones. It is rather obvious that weather can induce cultural gradients. People
expecting (former) Swedish behaviour from Crimeans are going to be disappointed. No, Crimeans do not
act the same as the people of Moscow or St. Petersburg.

You can see a north-south cultural gradient and mentality gradient in the USA as well. Just don't compare
North Dakota and Montana to Mississippi and Tennessee.

Whatever, Crimea has advanced substantially since 2014. Ukraine is basically like the Hill Billy region of
the USA.

JohninMK wrote:Interesting point of view

When it comes to civic values, Crimea still needs a whole lot of de-Ukrainianization.

There's a lot of half-hearted patriotism in Crimea. The vast majority of Crimeans identify as Russian, profess patriotism in relation to Russia, and the Crimean population overwhelmingly supported the 2014 re-unification with Russia.

But what are they actually doing about it? Admittedly, for the first 2 years after the unification, they were doing something about it - you could see people making a conscious effort to be better citizens. There was less loony driving, there were less nutjobs at street-level. There was less sleaze. There was less bribery going on - I know that for a fact.

But eventually, after all the civic euphoria of the re-unification wears off, people start to relax, and start behaving as if they're still living under Ukrainian jurisdiction - kickbacks, idiot-culture, driving like dickheads, "protecting" their friends, etc, etc....

They behave like this while ardently professing their patriotism for Russia. Actions speak louder than words.

In continental Russia, the process of recovering and re-building the country's civic values and sense of discipline after the catastrophe of the 1990's began 20 years ago.

In Crimea, that process of recovery began 3 years ago. It's going to take a generation. The Crimeans have got a lot of growing up to do. Having lived under Ukrainian jurisdiction for so long, far more than most Russians, large swathes of the Crimean population are still psychologically trapped in the 1990's. It'll take a generation.

And I know that it's going to annoy some Crimeans to hear that, but there it is.

http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/09/irish-crimean-crimea-in-dire-need-of-de.html

"Padraig McGrath was born in the Republic of Ireland in 1973. He has lived in Britain, Germany and the Czech Republic, and has published journalism and commentary on social and philosophical issues for a number of media for 15 years. He moved to Simferopol, Crimea in December 2013, 3 months before Crimea's re-unification with Russia, and still lives there."

The guy's a fornicating asshole. I know of him.

Auslander

Auslander must be getting tired of them Ukrainian mutts coming around his neighborhood.

FSB announces tender to construct 50 km wire fence along the border between Ukraine and Crimea.

http://tass.com/world/967758

https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/98938/

On the Crimean bridge ready more 400 supports

franco wrote:Auslander must be getting tired of them Ukrainian mutts coming around his neighborhood.

FSB announces tender to construct 50 km wire fence along the border between Ukraine and Crimea.

http://tass.com/world/967758

Also, second arc of the bridge is being moved as we speak  

The second arch is now in place.

medo wrote:................

The second arch is now in place.
...........

Already???  

Holy crap when did Russians get so expedient?  

Sweet news, next stop Sakhalin!  

Yeah, Sakhalin is next major one. That will be another huge economic boost.

They have been pretty on the ball with this bridge.

North Korea recognizes Crimea as part of Russia

https://sputniknews.com/asia/201710121058177478-north-korea-crimea-russia/

Hope you guys are keeping up

Technopromexport (TPE) had assumed that turbines for the thermal power plants in Crimea would be manufactured by the Russian company Siemens Gas Turbine Technology, but it turns out they were made in Germany, TPE's lawyer said in Moscow's Arbitration Court on Thursday. "A condition in the contract had called for the turbines to be manufactured by the supplier, a Russian organization. We learned today that they were manufactured in Germany and the [equipment] sent to Russia by Siemens AG," TPE's lawyer said, following the hearing.

The information was contained in an explanatory letter sent by the German company to the Russian company before the court hearing.

"Until now we assumed that the equipment, in accordance with point 4.1 in the contract, was manufactured by LLC Siemens Gas Turbine Technology, but now we learned that they were imported to Russia by Siemens AG from Germany," TPE's lawyer said during the court hearing. "We never operated on the basis that our client in the current case could lie about a Russian organization allegedly manufacturing the gas turbines," TPE's lawyer said.

http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/economic/459041.html

Does anywhere in the contracts says that it specifically says not to supply the said turbines to Crimea? Because if not, then the whole case can be thrown out. Once the device is sold to Russia, its Russian property.

The story is the turbines were originally for a project in Taman across the straights from Kerch. I do not know when the units were manufactured or when they were delivered to the since canceled Taman project. Eyes on at the Sevastopol sight says the units were modified extensively after the Taman project was canceled, by a Russian company whose ID I don't know.

Now. Here's the real deal. Not a single soul in 'eu' or 'europe' or 'usa' said one damned word when the orcs blew down the electric towers feeding Krimea, conveniently the day after over $3,000,000 was paid in advance as per the agreement for power supply from orcland to Krimu for power supply to Krimu. Winter had started and it was a tad chilly everywhere but in our bucolic little valley and here it was not warm by any stretch of the imagination, ergo lots of old folks, and not so old folks, in cities, towns and villages throughout the island were suddenly without backup, ancillary heat or primary heat in their flats and houses. Not one damned word. No one offered any help to the citizens of this island. No one said one damned word about the hospitals, clinics, factories, schools and magazines which suddenly had no power to work with, no power to take care of the sick, the old and young people, NO ONE. Except Mother Russia.

Now, my dear fellow Germans at Siemens, you want your fornicating Russian modified generating turbines? Come get them. Pack your lunch and bring your friends. We haven't forgotten what you and your romanian friends did in this city and in particular at 35th Battery, the last bastion of defense against you in '42. You were repaid in '44 when you who were in the 35th Battery area, and there was a lot of you pressed in to that area, were visited by the Soviet troops who took Sevastopol from you. Just as you shot down those who tried to surrender to you, the soldiers and sailors and for many their wives and children, you were shot down when you tried to surrender at 35th Battery. Just as you threw the bodies of the dead at 35th Battery and Fiolent in to the sea or left the bodies to molder in the sun or rot in the caverns of Battery, your dead and not so dead bodies were tossed off the low cliffs in to the Black Sea.

Yes, my dears, please come for your generators. We'll be waiting for you, they are just south of Inkerman on the bypass, right at the foot of Sapun Ridge which overlooks The Valley of the Shadow of Death. I think someone wrote about that little valley about 150 or so years ago.

Du bist kein Deutscher. Ich weiß nicht, was du bist, aber du bist kein Deutscher.

Auslander

auslander wrote:The story is the turbines were originally for a project in Taman across the straights from Kerch. I do not know when the units were manufactured or when they were delivered to the since canceled Taman project. Eyes on at the Sevastopol sight says the units were modified extensively after the Taman project was canceled, by a Russian company whose ID I don't know.

Now. Here's the real deal. Not a single soul in 'eu' or 'europe' or 'usa' said one damned word when the orcs blew down the electric towers feeding Krimea, conveniently the day after over $3,000,000 was paid in advance as per the agreement for power supply from orcland to Krimu for power supply to Krimu. Winter had started and it was a tad chilly everywhere but in our bucolic little valley and here it was not warm by any stretch of the imagination, ergo lots of old folks, and not so old folks, in cities, towns and villages throughout the island were suddenly without backup, ancillary heat or primary heat in their flats and houses. Not one damned word. No one offered any help to the citizens of this island. No one said one damned word about the hospitals, clinics, factories, schools and magazines which suddenly had no power to work with, no power to take care of the sick, the old and young people, NO ONE. Except Mother Russia.

Now, my dear fellow Germans at Siemens, you want your fornicating Russian modified generating turbines? Come get them. Pack your lunch and bring your friends. We haven't forgotten what you and your romanian friends did in this city and in particular at 35th Battery, the last bastion of defense against you in '42. You were repaid in '44 when you who were in the 35th Battery area, and there was a lot of you pressed in to that area, were visited by the Soviet troops who took Sevastopol from you. Just as you shot down those who tried to surrender to you, the soldiers and sailors and for many their wives and children, you were shot down when you tried to surrender at 35th Battery. Just as you threw the bodies of the dead at 35th Battery and Fiolent in to the sea or left the bodies to molder in the sun or rot in the caverns of Battery, your dead and not so dead bodies were tossed off the low cliffs in to the Black Sea.

Yes, my dears, please come for your generators. We'll be waiting for you, they are just south of Inkerman on the bypass, right at the foot of Sapun Ridge which overlooks The Valley of the Shadow of Death. I think someone wrote about that little valley about 150 or so years ago.

Du bist kein Deutscher. Ich weiß nicht, was du bist, aber du bist kein Deutscher.

Auslander

+1x10^50

As noted by miketheterrible, the turbines are Russian property after sale. Sanctions can only limit the sale itself and not what
is done with the product after sale. That there is a stink about what Russia is doing with an unsanctioned purchase is
grotesque all by itself. Too bad you NATO f*ckers allowed the sale. You have no further rights after the sale.

I don't think this turbine drama is really that important...

IMO, the time is coming when they will be begging to get access to the Russian market...actually a lot of German business is already doing all they can to bypass the sanctions. But I'm aftraid they will be dreaming of the days they had such a big market share...that train has already left the station

I actually think it is a good reminder to Russia that it needs to find better partners to work with.

Buy their technology and assimilate it and then develop your own improvements, you can't trust the west...

Hotel in Russia's Crimea named best in the world (VIDEO)

https://www.rt.com/business/412826-crimean-hotel-best-travel-award/

...The hotel won the award in the world’s leading leisure resort category. Russia’s Aeroflot airline was named the best brand and the city of St. Petersburg best tourist destination....

But Russia sucks, lol...

PapaDragon wrote:
Hotel in Russia's Crimea named best in the world (VIDEO)

https://www.rt.com/business/412826-crimean-hotel-best-travel-award/

...The hotel won the award in the world’s leading leisure resort category. Russia’s Aeroflot airline was named the best brand and the city of St. Petersburg best tourist destination....

But Russia sucks, lol...

Actually it was public vote on their website, even i voted So figure.

I mean... "World's Leading Airline Brand 2017 - Aeroflot - Russian Airlines", right

miketheterrible wrote:Does anywhere in the contracts says that it specifically says not to supply the said turbines to Crimea?  Because if not, then the whole case can be thrown out.  Once the device is sold to Russia, its Russian property.

There are always such lines in contracts, sales to third parties etc. Contracts like these often have few thousand pages. When we bought some surv. equipment for 4 police vans, it wasnt even something extremly sensitive, just few high-end night cameras and following equipment, we signed contract that was like 750 pages. Which forbid us from giving anyone access, getting into commercial ventures with that equipment, forbidden from modifying it, fobidden...well... everything. Naturally we did modify the software... which was aganist the contract but oh well.

Militarov wrote:......................

Actually it was public vote on their website, even i voted So figure.

I mean... "World's Leading Airline Brand 2017 - Aeroflot - Russian Airlines", right

Well, I didn't know that...

Still, nice hotel.

PapaDragon wrote:

Militarov wrote:......................

Actually it was public vote on their website, even i voted So figure.

I mean... "World's Leading Airline Brand 2017 - Aeroflot - Russian Airlines", right

Well, I didn't know that...

Still, nice hotel.

True that.

@ $230 per night, it better be nice. That's expensive for my blood.

miketheterrible wrote:@ $230 per night, it better be nice. That's expensive for my blood.

Sounds cheap. Russian hotels are generally overpriced even by western standards. There are too few of
them and the demand is too high.

Militarov wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Hotel in Russia's Crimea named best in the world (VIDEO)

https://www.rt.com/business/412826-crimean-hotel-best-travel-award/

...The hotel won the award in the world’s leading leisure resort category. Russia’s Aeroflot airline was named the best brand and the city of St. Petersburg best tourist destination....

But Russia sucks, lol...

Actually it was public vote on their website, even i voted So figure.

I mean... "World's Leading Airline Brand 2017 - Aeroflot - Russian Airlines", right

And you fly so many airlines that you can tell that "it just ain't so", right.

kvs wrote:

Militarov wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Hotel in Russia's Crimea named best in the world (VIDEO)

https://www.rt.com/business/412826-crimean-hotel-best-travel-award/

...The hotel won the award in the world’s leading leisure resort category. Russia’s Aeroflot airline was named the best brand and the city of St. Petersburg best tourist destination....

But Russia sucks, lol...

Actually it was public vote on their website, even i voted So figure.

I mean... "World's Leading Airline Brand 2017 - Aeroflot - Russian Airlines", right

And you fly so many airlines that you can tell that "it just ain't so", right.

Flew with few, Emirates, AirSerbia, Lufthansa. I flew with Aeroflot too if thats what you are asking.

And...i am not sure what in the world would make Aeroflot "World's Leading Airline Brand 2017", if not few thousand organised votes on https://www.worldtravelawards.com/. If there is something feel free to open my eyes i am very interested.