Crimea and ex-Ukrainian/Black Sea regions integration into RF

Clothing comparison between Klebold, Harris and this scum.

Definitely Columbine copycat, no doubt about it.

Image is perfectly safe to look at but no way I am spreading his worthless mug online, other two as well:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DptoMo7UwAAWRUi.jpg



He also threw bomb in cafeteria and killed himself in library, same as those two

I've been reading that Crimea faces a major water crisis.

Now I am curious, how come Russia never bothered to build a water pipeline to Crimea?

Why do they keep talking in miles... are they retarded?

GarryB wrote:Why do they keep talking in miles... are they retarded?

They don't; they're talking in kilometres.
But the english-translation mentions miles instead

Yeah, so what else are they not translating properly... fucking Americans...

GarryB wrote:Yeah, so what else are they not translating properly... fucking Americans...

And Orwell was only off by 20 years... all hail to Big brother!

A new arts centre will be build in Sevastopol:

flamming_python wrote:

GarryB wrote:Why do they keep talking in miles... are they retarded?

They don't; they're talking in kilometres.
But the english-translation mentions miles instead

In Norway, 10 kilometres is a mile!

A nautical mile?

That would explain their navigation issues...

Hole wrote:A new arts centre will be build in Sevastopol:

Never happen in this berg, citizens are already seething concerning that gawd awful mess. And you should see the 'paper boat', literally, 'museum' structure planned for the Flot Museum. That won't happen, either, the Flot will bombard that mess before they, or we, allow it.

https://sevastopol.su/news/sevastopolcev-lomayut-o-mys-hrustalnyy

Impressive progress in development of Crimea in the last 5 years. The local government is collecting $820 million in taxes with a total
budget of $2.6 billion. The support it got from Ukraine in 2012/13 was $340 million.

But according to Yanqui liars Russia is oppressing Crimeans. There is no such ethnic group. There is the Russian majority of 64%,
Ukrainian minority of 31% and 5% other ethnic groups including Tatars. Ukrainians clearly chose to live better than running away
to Banderite "freedom".

Russian engineers connected two railroad parts of the Crimean Bridge!

George1 wrote:Russian engineers connected two railroad parts of the Crimean Bridge!

Beautiful simbolic moment when a free country wants to built not destroy.

Moral upvote:D

Not sure if this is the right thread for this news. Please move to relevant thread if exists:

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Ukraine-Seizes-Russian-Oil-Tanker.html

Ukraine Seizes Russian Oil Tanker

Ukraine’s security services said on Thursday they had detained a Russian oil tanker that had blocked in November Ukrainian warships near Crimea, drawing reaction from Russia which vowed ‘consequences’ should Russians aboard the tanker be taken hostage.  

On Thursday, Ukraine’s security service seized Russian tanker Neyma, which Ukraine believes took part in the incident in the Kerch Strait near Crimea in November 2018.  

Russia seized at the end of November three Ukrainian ships near Crimea in an incident that risked spilling over into a wider conflict between the two countries, exacerbating the disputes between Moscow and Kiev over oil and gas resources and infrastructure.

Russia—which annexed Crimea in 2014, for which the U.S. and the EU imposed sanctions on Moscow—said at the time that three Ukrainian vessels had violated its state border in waters near Crimea.

Ukraine, for its part, said that it had informed Russia about the plans for the ship movements and said that the seizing of the vessels was “another act of armed aggression” by Russia.

The November 2018 incident was the first open conflict between Russian and Ukrainian militaries in recent years. Tensions had been rising over the access to the Kerch Strait, where the incident took place, and the Sea of Azov.

Today, Ukraine said that it believes that the Neyma was the same ship with a changed name that took part in the seizure of the Ukrainian ships in November. The investigation found that the Neyma tanker changed its name to Nika Spirit to conceal its involvement in the “illegal acts and an act of aggression that took place on November 25, 2018,” Ukraine said.

Russia, for its part, said there would be consequences soon “if Russians have been taken hostages.”

Russian lawmaker Vladimir Dzhabarov, who is deputy chairman of the committee on international affairs at Russia’s upper house of Parliament, said that Ukraine seizing the Russian tanker today was “absolutely illegal.”

I am surprised how come the Russian border security / naval forces allowed this to happen in the first place.

Would be almost impossible for Russian border security to stop Ukrainians doing this... just like British border security failed to stop Iran from boarding and taking control of a British flagged oil tanker in the Persian Gulf.

I assume the Russian ship was seized inside the Sea of Azov at or near a Ukrainian port...

Have heard a report that they have released the crew after interrogation and are just holding the ship.

It is hard to work out what the Ukraine expects from this... perhaps they hope the Russians might release the seized Ukrainian ships and crews... but that would make little sense... they committed a crime and Russia could hardly let them go to get another ship returned otherwise the Ukraine could simply start seizing ships all over the place and demand concessions... and that isn't going to work...

Perhaps Russia should block access to Ukrainian ports in the sea of Azov until the Ukraine starts behaving like a normal international law respecting country....

GarryB wrote:Would be almost impossible for Russian border security to stop Ukrainians doing this... just like British border security failed to stop Iran from boarding and taking control of a British flagged oil tanker in the Persian Gulf.

I assume the Russian ship was seized inside the Sea of Azov at or near a Ukrainian port...

Have heard a report that they have released the crew after interrogation and are just holding the ship.

It is hard to work out what the Ukraine expects from this... perhaps they hope the Russians might release the seized Ukrainian ships and crews... but that would make little sense... they committed a crime and Russia could hardly let them go to get another ship returned otherwise the Ukraine could simply start seizing ships all over the place and demand concessions... and that isn't going to work...

Perhaps Russia should block access to Ukrainian ports in the sea of Azov until the Ukraine starts behaving like a normal international law respecting country....

no, even stupider, it was seized in Izmail, a former italian (Genovese) colony on the Danube, currently in Odessa oblast, near the border with Romania. Apparently they stopped there for repairs.
What the hell did they think when they chosed an ukrainian port for repairs..

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:

GarryB wrote:Would be almost impossible for Russian border security to stop Ukrainians doing this... just like British border security failed to stop Iran from boarding and taking control of a British flagged oil tanker in the Persian Gulf.

I assume the Russian ship was seized inside the Sea of Azov at or near a Ukrainian port...

Have heard a report that they have released the crew after interrogation and are just holding the ship.

It is hard to work out what the Ukraine expects from this... perhaps they hope the Russians might release the seized Ukrainian ships and crews... but that would make little sense... they committed a crime and Russia could hardly let them go to get another ship returned otherwise the Ukraine could simply start seizing ships all over the place and demand concessions... and that isn't going to work...

Perhaps Russia should block access to Ukrainian ports in the sea of Azov until the Ukraine starts behaving like a normal international law respecting country....

no, even stupider, it was seized in Izmail, a former italian (Genovese) colony on the Danube, currently in Odessa oblast, near the border with Romania. Apparently they stopped there for repairs.
What the hell did they think when they chosed an ukrainian port for repairs..

Putin just has to let Zelensky know that no deal on the Kerch Strait perps will happen until the tanker, its crew and the Nord are released.

It's a provocation to show they mean business.

Russia has been playing from a position of weakness and thus these clowns have rightfully calculated that Russia will not try to escalate the situation. Putin has shown his hand numerous times.

If some shithole country did this to the Americans, they would blockade the whole thing, call an urgent meeting at the U.N to condemn it, and demand the boat be released or face the military consequences over it. The americans could give two shits about what China, Russia, Cuba, Iran or any of its enemies, including its allies who would quickly fall in line (despite whatever reservations) think or say, or how the media from these countries portray it.

That is power, and the willingness to use it. It sends a clear message to everyone else in the group of nations.

What's Putin camp rationalizing about now? Someone in the SBU, from the Poreshenko guard, before getting "replaced" is having their last hurrah - at least that is the narrative the channels will put out. You can bet on that.

The second I read such a muted response from Russia, with stale, run of the mill condemnations is the second you understand that the Ukranians were right in their calculations. Instead of trying to elevate the issue, it's downplayed - keeps expectations low. Russia has a lot to learn about political theatrics at the world stage.

The world keeps on going. "It's not a Russian lake after all" - an american says with a grin in his face.

As for Garry's comments. It's not impossible to stop this from re-occurring. It all depends on what message Russia sends. Like the saying goes... give an inch....

They even release the hostages to show how benevolent they're, unlike the Russians holding "ours". Perfectly played.

I don't think the message being sent right now will stop these and future provocations from re-occurring. Russians better hope Kolomoyskyi is in Putin's bag or he somehow came to an understanding with Putin and gang - though I doubt it, unless he appears magically in Russia somehow. The second Americans come to the conclusion that Koloyskyi is lost and non-negotiable - the second he'll have to run.

Russia has, for some reason, been trying to keep the appearance that they are not at war with Ukraine. But they're, they're at war with cancerous elements in Ukraine that are holding millions of people, RUSSIANS, hostage. It can't run away from the fact, or pretend it's not.

Like Putin rightfully says, "we're one people, the same".

ATLASCUB wrote:It's a provocation to show they mean business.

Russia has been playing from a position of weakness and thus these clowns have rightfully calculated that Russia will not try to escalate the situation. Putin has shown his hand numerous times.

If some shithole country did this to the Americans, they would blockade the whole thing, call an urgent meeting at the U.N to condemn it, and demand they be released or face the military consequences over it. The americans could give two shits about what China, Russia, Cuba, Iran or any of its enemies, including its allies who would quickly fall in line (despite whatever reservations) think or say, and how their media portrays it.

That is power, and the willingness to use it. It sends a good message to everyone else in the group of nations.

What's Putin camp rationalizing about now? Someone in the SBU, from the Poreshenko guard, before getting "replaced" is having their last hurrah - at least that is the narrative the channels will put out. You can bet on that.

The second I read such a muted response from Russia, with stale, run of the mill condemnations is the second you understand that the Ukranians were right in their calculations. Instead of trying to elevate the issue, it's downplayed - keeps exceptions low. Russia has a lot to learn about political theatrics at the world stage.

The world keeps on going. It's not a Russian lake after all - an american says with a grin in his face.

As for Garry's comments. It's not impossible to stop this from re-occurring. It all depends on what message Russia sends. Like the saying goes... give an inch....

See this guy gets it.

George1 wrote:Russian engineers connected two railroad parts of the Crimean Bridge!

Saw the news elsewhere about the train track completion. Always great to see these infrastructure projects coming to life, whatever the country. Human ingenuity and a lot of sweat from hard labor.

They even release the hostages to show how benevolent they're, unlike the Russians holding "ours". Perfectly played.

Yeah, that is just bullshit.

The Ukrainian boats seized and sailors held were breaking the law, and it is up to the Russian courts, not the Ukraine, not the US or the worlds media to decide what happens to them.

They have no justification for holding that boat let alone the current crew.

Russia has, for some reason, been trying to keep the appearance that they are not at war with Ukraine. But they're, they're at war with cancerous elements in Ukraine that are holding millions of people, RUSSIANS, hostage. It can't run away from the fact, or pretend it's not.

The problem for Russia is that the Ukrainian regime is the problem, not the Ukrainian people... all the sanctions and issues between the two countries were initiated on the Ukrainian side, and then Russia reciprocated with a comparable measure. It is the Ukrainians that are the aggressors that are creating the situation and Russia is trying to respond in a sensible way to prevent permanent damage between two countries that are not going to move and have to stay neighbours.

You can pretend the current aggressive moves by the Ukraine are smart... come this winter and the gas is turned off I am sure they will wish they were not so aggressive... Putin was never going to order the release of those Ukrainian sailors... it was a legal thing and not a political thing... Russian law needs to deal with them in its own good time.

But now I suspect he will make sure no sailors or ships are released until the Russian ship is released... and there are other hostages in the Ukraine... he could just as well ensure they stay until all the reporters and other ships held are released too.

To overreact every time (like murica) is not a show of strength but of weakness. Countries that do that (only western ones) have to pretend that they are strong, mostly to keep the own population at bay, but what we´ve seen in the last 20 years (Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Yemen, Syria…) showed the whole world their real strength.

Hole wrote:To overreact every time (like murica) is not a show of strength but of weakness. Countries that do that (only western ones) have to pretend that they are strong, mostly to keep the own population at bay, but what we´ve seen in the last 20 years (Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Yemen, Syria…) showed the whole world their real strength.

But America doesn't overreact all the time. Case in point dragging its feet on sanctions for Turkey right now. They know, for the most part, and they can be wrong sometimes, when they need to dance, and when they need to show strength and force. You don't become a global empire by being stupid, you become so by your main competitors being abject failure in their ability to out compete you - namely, the Russians, and Chinese (so far).

So that's a nice talking point you got there... except it's rubbish. All the countries you mentioned are fractured shit holes, sent back to the stone age as a result of Western intervention. They're an example of what happens when you cross them, or merely happen to be in the wrong camp. Every other consideration about the failure of some political objectives etc is minor bickering and feel-good about stories for the losers. It's not the Americans who lose hundred of thousands, or millions of its people, it's industry, infrastructure, economy, military, stability, facing the hardships of war, and complete generations lost etc. It's the target countries. There is nothing to feel good about. You can ask them if America is weak.

One thing is to claim that the exercise of power in such manner is wrong, or not the right approach (and that is a perfect opinion to have), another thing entirely is to correlate that to weakness trying to sound like Chinese sage Sun Tzu.

The very same Chinese btw who are finding out now that they need real allies (and in this regard they're outgunned). The very same who, not long ago were making back handed comments of Russia (in diplomatic circles with regards to U.S power plays against Russia). Now they're dousing themselves with bitter pills as the Americans/Brits turn Hong Kong into a mini-rebellion, and call bluff and sign military deals to buff up Taiwan. For a nation who puts such a high regard on not being embarrassed, they're getting a taste of reality.

The talking points sound and look great on paper. Reality is another thing.

The greatest weapon these old nations have against the Anglo empire will continue to be the endemic corruption within the empire - self greed and rot - which the Americans can't simply flip a switch to solve as they continually find out. Definitely not cause they're outsmarted on the global stage - when the balance is due, it's the other way around.

All the countries you mentioned are fractured shit holes, sent back to the stone age as a result of Western intervention.

But hang on... the west is supposed to be the pinnacle of humanity, the centre of human civilisation, technology and culture... democracy and open free media and market forces... any western intervention should have created a small utopia in a sea of corruption and human degradation that is the third world... countries like Libya and Afghanistan and Yemen should all be prospering from the influence of the west and its advanced culture and the seeds of democracy...

Except it is all bullshit, and the west destroys things that do not fold under western pressure, so it has been doing more destroying that growing and creating in the last 3 decades or so...

It's not the Americans who lose hundred of thousands, or millions of its people, it's industry, infrastructure, economy, military, stability, facing the hardships of war, and complete generations lost etc. It's the target countries. There is nothing to feel good about. You can ask them if America is weak.

You can ask the majority of the worlds actual people whether they think the US is a force for good in the world and they will tell you it is a force for itself.

That does not bode well for its future when other countries are going to develop and grow independent of western interference because there will be Russian or Chinese or Turkish alternatives... so as the west sinks and the alternatives rise they might think about the old western powers but they wont miss it and likely wont lift a finger to save it...

And why should they... it tried to keep them as slaves and resources...