Crimea and ex-Ukrainian/Black Sea regions integration into RF

ATLASCUB wrote:

Hole wrote:To overreact every time (like murica) is not a show of strength but of weakness. Countries that do that (only western ones) have to pretend that they are strong, mostly to keep the own population at bay, but what we´ve seen in the last 20 years (Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Yemen, Syria…) showed the whole world their real strength.

But America doesn't overreact all the time. Case in point dragging its feet on sanctions for Turkey right now. They know, for the most part, and they can be wrong sometimes, when they need to dance, and when they need to show strength and force. You don't become a global empire by being stupid, you become so by your main competitors being abject failure in their ability to out compete you - namely, the Russians, and Chinese (so far).

So that's a nice talking point you got there... except it's rubbish. All the countries you mentioned are fractured shit holes, sent back to the stone age as a result of Western intervention. They're an example of what happens when you cross them, or merely happen to be in the wrong camp. Every other consideration about the failure of some political objectives etc is minor bickering and feel-good about stories for the losers. It's not the Americans who lose hundred of thousands, or millions of its people, it's industry, infrastructure, economy, military, stability, facing the hardships of war, and complete generations lost etc. It's the target countries. There is nothing to feel good about. You can ask them if America is weak.

One thing is to claim that the exercise of power in such manner is wrong, or not the right approach (and that is a perfect opinion to have), another thing entirely is to correlate that to weakness trying to sound like Chinese sage Sun Tzu.

The very same Chinese btw who are finding out now that they need real allies (and in this regard they're outgunned). The very same who, not long ago were making back handed comments of Russia (in diplomatic circles with regards to U.S power plays against Russia). Now they're dousing themselves with bitter pills as the Americans/Brits turn Hong Kong into a mini-rebellion, and call bluff and sign military deals to buff up Taiwan. For a nation who puts such a high regard on not being embarrassed, they're getting a taste of reality.

The talking points sound and look great on paper. Reality is another thing.

The greatest weapon these old nations have against the Anglo empire will continue to be the endemic corruption within the empire - self greed and rot - which the Americans can't simply flip a switch to solve as they continually find out. Definitely not cause they're outsmarted on the global stage - when the balance is due, it's the other way around.

A realistic person, good for you.

higurashihougi wrote:Yes, the US imperialists are still strong, but the important things is more and more people know that they are evil and strong. That is the key for the downfall of Western imperialists.

People know that they are evil, which means there is incentive for struggle against them. People know that they are still strong, which means there is incentive for a careful and logical plan against them rather than unplanned activities.

Imperialists can devastate their target countries, but that will be the proof for their true nature. Imperialists are creating conditions for their downfall by increasing the number of people who know their true nature and who acknowledge the need to eliminate them.

A realistic viewpoint is necessary indeed, and the acknowledgment of evil nature of imperialist and the the acknowledgment of the need to fight against them rather than accept their domination is also realistic.

ATLASCUB wrote:Now they're dousing themselves with bitter pills as the Americans/Brits turn Hong Kong into a mini-rebellion, and call bluff and sign military deals to buff up Taiwan. For a nation who puts such a high regard on not being embarrassed, they're getting a taste of reality.

Western medias always portray Hong Kong affairs as "revolution" of the whole population. But Western medias never show the images of massive pro-Beijing counter protests.

The world has known how the West conducts its business for more than 300 years... there is nothing new here... only the methods change over time.

Western media will do what is best for Western nations... at the least, what the establishment of those nations think it's best for them.

It's what it's. Pick yourself up, ally with like minded nations, grow strong and protect yourself and confront them in a unified front. Easier said than done, clearly.

As they say "possession is 9/10th of the Law". Some interesting stuff in the article.

A «Russian Lake»: the Nine Aspects of the Current Situation in the Black Sea by Andrii KLYMENKO,

associate fellow, Crimea Department, Maidan of Foreign Affairs, Editor-in-Chief of the BSNews.

The situation in the Black Sea is changing literally before our eyes. Its ongoing transformation into a de facto Russian lake is a direct consequence of the occupation and subsequent militarization of Crimea. The current Russian agenda among other, includes further occupation of the Ukrainian offshore shelf and its entire exclusive maritime economic zone, squeezing NATO out of the Black Sea and getting Turkey and Bulgaria hooked on the Russian gas needle.

Events are unfolding at such a speed that traditional foreign policy — both Ukraine’s and its Black Sea neighbors’, as well as NATO’s and the EU’s, not to mention that of the the UN — simply cannot keep up and requires an urgent careful and creative re-thinking.

The analysis below is aimed at anyone who cares about the region. It is important to understand that the fact that the summary of the NATO states borders accounts for the largest maritime border in the Black Sea is not reassuring by itself, and in fact, has every chance now of turning from a policy factor into merely an arithmetic one.

................................................

https://www.blackseanews.net/en/read/153503#.XUgLC3j5pUw.twitter

JohninMK wrote:As they say "possession is 9/10th of the Law". Some interesting stuff in the article.

A «Russian Lake»: the Nine Aspects of the Current Situation in the Black Sea by Andrii KLYMENKO,

associate fellow, Crimea Department, Maidan of Foreign Affairs, Editor-in-Chief of the BSNews.

The situation in the Black Sea is changing literally before our eyes. Its ongoing transformation into a de facto Russian lake is a direct consequence of the occupation and subsequent militarization of Crimea. The current Russian agenda among other, includes further occupation of the Ukrainian offshore shelf and its entire exclusive maritime economic zone, squeezing NATO out of the Black Sea and getting Turkey and Bulgaria hooked on the Russian gas needle.

Events are unfolding at such a speed that traditional foreign policy — both Ukraine’s and its Black Sea neighbors’, as well as NATO’s and the EU’s, not to mention that of the the UN — simply cannot keep up and requires an urgent careful and creative re-thinking.

The analysis below is aimed at anyone who cares about the region. It is important to understand that the fact that the summary of the NATO states borders accounts for the largest maritime border in the Black Sea is not reassuring by itself, and in fact, has every chance now of turning from a policy factor into merely an arithmetic one.

................................................

https://www.blackseanews.net/en/read/153503#.XUgLC3j5pUw.twitter

Gotta love that hate propaganda language about "hooked on the Russian gas needle". I guess then the US LNG is not a needle.
NATO never supplied Turkey and Bulgaria with gas, in case the idiot author of this piece does not know.

Pathetic Google Earth hasn't updated the Crimea images since 2018. It updates all sorts of irrelevant shit-hole locations practically
to real time. Can't have the construction of the Kerch Strait bridge and other real points of interest be disseminated to the sheeple,
can we now....

Rail welding operation at one of the ends of the Kerch Strait bridge. A rather slow and tedious process considering there thousands of such
rail joints to weld. This one of the reasons that the railway works are taking much longer than the road bridge. That and the fact that
they are building the railway from scratch to pass over the bridge and are not reusing existing rail lines.

They are doing fantastic work.

Now when they are done this, they need that bridge to Sakhalin island

The rail bridge to Crimea is now tested and ready to go.

MOSCOW, Nov 7-RIA Novosti. The cost of a train ticket from St. Petersburg to the Crimea in the reserved seat will be from 3,5 thousand rubles, from Moscow in the compartment - from 2,966 thousand rubles, told RIA Novosti the representative of the Russian private company "Grand Service Express", which will deal with these shipments.

The company on Thursday announced that ticket sales for trains to Crimea, which will travel from mainland Russia to the Peninsula and back across the bridge, will start on November 8, 2019, and the first trains will depart from Moscow and St. Petersburg in the 20th of December. It was noted that the selection and payment of tickets will be possible at the railway ticket offices and on the company's Internet resources. "The cost of travel from Moscow to Simferopol in a compartment car starts from 2966 rubles, travel to ST. costs from 9952 rubles. The cost of tickets from St. Petersburg in the reserved seat - from 3500 rubles, in the compartment from 3906 rubles, " the company said.

They noted that dynamic pricing is used in determining the cost, the cost of tickets can vary depending on demand, seasonality and other factors.

The locomotive passed in test mode on the railway part of the Crimean bridge November 6, 13: 38

Expert: tourist flow to Crimea may grow by 10% thanks to trains

The first train to Crimea will go from St. Petersburg on December 23. It is called "Tavria" (No. 7/ and will depart from the Moscow station of St. Petersburg on December 23 at 14.00 Moscow time and will go to Sevastopol. He will have to overcome 2741 kilometers. Travel time will be 43.5 hours. A total of five single-Decker trains, consisting of compartment and reserved seat cars, will enter this route.

Four double-Decker trains with compartment and SV cars will run from Moscow to Simferopol and back (No. 27/28). The start of the movement is scheduled for December 24. The first "Tavria" from Moscow will depart from the Kazan station at 23.45 Moscow time. The journey of 200 kilometers will take 33 hours.

https://ria.ru/20191107/1560688418.html?rcmd_alg=collaboration2

First Russian train to Crimea departs from St. Petersburg

ST. PETERSBURG, December 23. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin has taken part via video conference in a ceremony of departure of the first Russian train to Crimea that will arrive to the peninsula via the Crimean Bridge from St. Petersburg. Moreover, Putin kicked off regular traffic on the new railroad bridge across the Kerch of Strait.

The first train travelling between St. Petersburg and Sevastopol (№ 7/ departed from the Moskovsky railway station. The journey will take 43 hours and 25 minutes, it is scheduled to arrive in Sevastopol on December 25 at 9:25 am (Moscow time). The train will pass the Crimean Bridge on December 25 between 2:10-2:30 am (Moscow time). A ticket for the St. Petersburg-Sevastopol train costs 3,500 rubles ($56).

https://tass.com/economy/1102479

PapaDragon wrote:
oEF6vkHs-oI

Near the end of the video Putin highlights the key detail. Russian workers and engineers accomplished a world class project to build the
biggest such bridge in Europe (and in some of the most challenging ground since there is no access to bedrock). The liberast 5th column
tries to drill into the heads of Russians 24/7/365 that they are losers in a loser country who can't even imagine achieving what the
precious NATO west does. This is confirms the fact that the liberasts are a NATO paid fifth column and not just some indigenous
opposition. No indigenous opposition would work so hard to please foreign paymasters. If people want to know why Putin gets voted
into office over and over, here you have it. He is helping Russia advance, his western approved "non-systemic" opposition wants to
destroy Russia.

GarryB wrote:Sorry to be Mr Picky KVS, but you keep making the same spelling mistake... perhaps you have a faulty keyboard...

here is an example:

"NATO paid fifth column"

It seems you used an f when you clearly needed an l... like this:

"NATO paid filth column"

Otherwise I agree with what you are saying...  

My humblest apologies.

It boggles the mind how the liberals even get any votes at all. Mind you very miniscule but they still manage to get votes in small communities or some odd district.

Shows there are mentally retarded Russians too.

Ukrainians were reminded how many security officials wished to stay in Crimea after joining Russia

At the beginning of spring 2014, there were more than 13 thousand regular troops in Crimea, almost 11 thousand employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, 2.5 thousand soldiers of the internal troops, 1870 employees of the state border service, 2240 employees of the Security Service and 527 employees of the State Security Department. A total of 31,604 people. After the annexation of Crimea to Russia, only 6,036 security officials returned to the mainland. That is, less than 20% of the entire "Crimean contingent" wished to return to Ukraine. Those who remained on the peninsula, for the most part, quickly joined the power structures of the Russian Federation.

Assistant to the People's Deputy Gaide Rizayeva shared such unpleasant numbers for many Ukrainians with her subscribers, recalling that the security forces who remained in Crimea were called traitors in Ukraine. Many were prosecuted in absentia.

This post caused a stir in social networks, although the assistant to the People's Deputy only repeated the information found in open sources. This topic in Ukraine was simply under tacit bans. They preferred not to remind the Ukrainians once again that even those who had sworn allegiance to the country had chosen Russia. Rizayeva raised a sensitive topic.

In the comments below the post, opinions were divided. Some explained the statistics so bad for the Ukrainian ideology by the fact that, they say, mainly locals served in Crimea, who simply did not want to leave their little homeland, leaving everything they had here. Other participants in the discussion with bitterness recalled that among the aforementioned security officials there were a huge number of those who had absolutely nothing to do with Crimea. They could have left the occupied territory with a light heart, but they believed in the prospect of staying here, getting warm jobs in law enforcement agencies and departmental apartments. They were allegedly promised from three boxes, and they were led to this, betraying Ukraine.

Kiev businessman Said Magomedov got into the heated discussion, quickly cooling the ardor of some patriots. He asked how the Ukrainian authorities thanked the returnees and whether Kiev considers them to be full citizens. And then he himself replied that no, Ukraine and the returnees are disgusting. Magomedov admitted that he himself still has no rights here. That is, the Ukrainian government continues to confirm the correctness of those who remained.

Ukr presence on social media does not represent real public opinion in Banderastan.   Much like is the case in the west, but
worse.   The vast majority of Ukrainians have become poorer since 2013 and they don't have the time to spazz on Twitter
and try to have videos on Youtube removed.  

Banderastan is an example of how power works in the real world.   The vast silent majority just goes for the ride.   The
power is in the hands of some small minority.    This the west calls "democracy".

Ministry of Defense begins work on providing fresh water to Crimea

The Ministry of Defense has begun work to provide the Crimea with fresh water. According to the press service of the military department, the specialists of the Military Construction Complex are working in two directions at once.

Military experts have begun construction of a water intake complex on the Belbek River. According to the plans, a storage basin with a water intake will be created on the river bank. The builders will have to lay about 3 km of water conduit, build pumping stations and treatment facilities.

The second direction is the construction of a 10.5 km long water conduit to transfer water from the Kadykovsky quarry to the Chernaya river and further to the city water intake centers. A powerful floating pumping station will also be installed, which will lift up to a height of 105 meters up to 20 thousand cubic meters of water per day and send it to the Chernaya River.

(...) military builders will install a powerful floating pumping station, with the help of which 20 thousand cubic meters of water per day will rise to a design height of 105 meters

- explained in the Ministry of Defense.

Both projects should be fully implemented by March next year, work is being done ahead of schedule. As stated in the military department, the implementation of the projects will provide Sevastopol with fresh water in full.

Solution of the water problem: Crimea will receive a desalination plant

The construction of a desalination plant will soon begin in the Saki region of Crimea. This was announced by the head of the republic Sergey Aksenov.

"We are preparing for the construction of a desalination plant in Frunze (Saki region). We finished all negotiations with colleagues from the federal center on Friday"- said Aksenov.

According to the head of Crimea, desalination of seawater is currently the main means of water supply for the population of the peninsula, since it is difficult to collect water from water sources scattered across the fields into one pipe, even though they can produce up to 1 million cubic meters of liquid per day.

Desalination plants are also planned to be built in Yalta, and they are also considering the possibility of their construction in Kerch, Sudak and Feodosia. According to Aksenov, the use of such facilities will not lead to an increase in water tariffs for the population of Crimea.

Meanwhile, according to the Speaker of the State Council Vladimir Konstantinov, the peninsula will have to live about three more years in a water deficit regime. Nevertheless, in the end, the problem of providing Crimea with water will be solved in the same way as the transport and energy blockade of the republic was overcome. According to the previously adopted program, all problems with providing Crimeans with water will be resolved until 2024.

I also said this years ago.

When do I get my job in the Kremlin?