flamming_python wrote:
They weren't. Tochkas hit Donetsk at least a couple of times, killed civilians. They hit Berdyansk where that troop transport vessel was and sunk it. They hit an airbase used by Russia in the Kherson region, took out a few Mi-8s on the ground. They hit an airbase in either Belgorod or Kursk region, toasted some Russian aircraft on the ground too. I seem to recall them hitting a large concentration of Russian troops too, killed perhaps 30 or 40 although that might have been a HIMARS (no, it wasn't the New Year's strike)
The scale of ignorance some here present makes me seriously wonder what are you folks even doing at a military forum, yet specialised in Russian matters
Your brilliant analysis, where from the first line it gets crystal clear that you don't know how to look at the map.
Your pro grade military advice, presenting that you have no bloody clue about the range of the systems you are happily arguing about.
Your constant whining, making it obvious that you lived in some la la land all of your life, separated from common sense, and your perception of military matters came from Counter Strike.
Amazing! Simply amazing!
Russkie just smashed the Ukro army. Again, and it is the third one, being the weakest.
Every next army they have assembled after April 22, is weaker.
The recruitment base shrinked radically, and I mean not only the physical liquidation of manpower, but its quality and moral condition.
Ukrs are hunting the man down on the streets like some dogs.
All around Europe, there are military units with no gear left.
Polish 3rd AD Missile Brigade is left with no missiles. In one battery, they have a few working Pilica left. A ZU-23-2 with attached Grom.
Everything that was more or less operational was transferred to 404, and in cases when it was impossible - S-200 stationary battery at Mrzeżyno - missiles are gone.
Shilkas are gone.
Osas are gone.
There are hardly any MiG-29s left to pose for pictures hiding the fact, which ended up with sort of a mutiny.
There are no Mi-24 left.
Only a few Mi-8 stayed.
Polish generals started to fly around using ... Mi-2.
Our latest announcement that we won't deliver the gear anymore is not a political gesture, but the fact that there is nothing to give away left.
The same is true for every ex WarPac country that had some Soviet heritage systems Ukrs could use.
Bundeswehre is being stripped off operational equipment, and its already miserable shape before the war is only a warm memory of the past.
What is the most shocking and scary part of the whole equation, is that Russkie did that without sweating, using 1/3rd of their force, limiting collateral damage, and attacking dual purpose infrastructure per se.
Ukraine was the heaviest army in Europe, second to the Russian only.
Operated around 200 (!TWO HUNDRED!) S-300PS systems, some 70 (!SEVENTY!) Buks, some 3000 armored vehicles, +/- 400 airplanes.
After the military reforms, on the eve of the war, it consisted of 280 000 army, assisted by 60 000 National Guard, 50 000 territorial defence, 50 000 border troops, and 10 000 civil defence.
It was being armed to the teeth, with the help of all NATO, both material and financial. Heavily trained, the investments in military infrastructure were mindblowing concerning the general misery of the failed Ukro state. Army and other power structures used to be the best employer, with good and stable money assigned.
Ukrainian MIC was heavily developing.
Just to give you a thing, and concerning the "NATO ammunition supply", Ukrainian army was supplied with more than 520 000 pieces of ammo in 2018, 1.3mln in 2019, and 3.3 mln in 2020. THREE POINT THREE MLN. Own origin.
The number of yearly produced armored units was more than 300.
In 2018-2020, the number of delivered Stugna missiles closed to 500 pcs.
For the same period, the number of new radars produced and delivered totaled the number of the radar Poland operates. All of them.
Aside from the production, a heavy refurbishment program was on track - for 2018-2020, around 50 both aircraft and air defense systems has been repaired/modernized.
They have been gearing up for war, since 2014.
This force was annihilated in two months, by the Russian combined forces of a regular army, republican militias and internal troops totaling less than half of the OpFor.
And some of you really need to have his nose wiped, because two out of 10 the most modern cruise missiles NATO has slipped into Crimea, making the catalog number of the probability of kill given to the best Russian AD systems.
Gee!
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The enemy is strengthening the defense at the junction of Zaporozhye and the DPR: The enemy is suffering significant losses and has stopped attempting an offensive
"An amazing night - almost complete silence. This is a rare phenomenon in recent months. At another time, one could say that this is the calm before the storm, but now there is no such feeling - the enemy really suffered significant losses, and most importantly - he did not understand what tactics could bring him results. It would seem that everything has been tried. 
