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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:04 pm

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    IDF has no combat experience since 2006, while millions of Resistance Axis fighters have just finished fighting the ISIS.

    Just look at what Wagner has done in Ukraine in street-to-street fighting.

    All the experience was gained in Syria.

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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:10 pm

    Backman wrote:Israel despite having a technical advantage similar to Russia's over Ukraine, does not have an economy and infantry overmatch to fall back on if it is needed. The chance of battlefield nukes being used is far higher in this war than it ever was for Russia. I wouldn't under estimate Israel's anxiety through this. They could even use them in Iran and just deny it. Iran would be screaming blue murder and the western media would just say "oh they're lying. We just bunker busted their nuclear plant. That's why the radiation count is high.

    I don't think Israel will use nuclear weapons because it would be suicide. Russia could have used tactical weapons in Ukraine. Nor is the economy a problem. Because they are supported by donations and aid from international Jewry and the West.
    Now, if the Arabs attack companies or carry out financial sabotage, it is another story.
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    Post  AMCXXL Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:10 pm

    Arrow wrote:Israel launched AD laser defense. Nobody else has anything like this.



    https://vk.com/video-123538639_456303262


    Soviets tested Aquilon shipborne laser in 1978, after 45 years the size willl be very much small

    ArgentinaGuard wrote:
    I don't think Israel will use nuclear weapons because it would be suicide. Russia could have used tactical weapons in Ukraine.

    absurd

    Israel's weapons are US weapons, Israel is just a US colony in the Eastern Mediterranean. If Israel use nuclear weapon the retaliaton is against USA regime, in Israel there are 2 million of Russian people at least

    Nuclear weapons have little military value except the mass murder of civilians, the specialty of the US regime, of course the objective is the cleansing of the West Bank.

    Russia is not going to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine, Ukrainians are its own population because Ukraine is a province of Russia.
    The best place to launch a preemptive strike is Windsor Palace and the US Senate.


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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:15 pm

    The Israeli army mistakenly kills a settler in Ofakim in the Gaza Strip. After they thought he was a Palestinian fighter.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:35 pm

    Are you people who are trying to claim Israel could use nukes that STUPID?.

    Look at A MAP, if they dropped a nuke on Gaza, it would cause catastrophic damage to them and it would render many of their cities inhabitable, AS THEY ARE IN SUPER CLOSE PROXIMITY. At that point they may as well Nuke Iran as Nuking Gaza they are nuking themselves also.

    The fact I never NEED to point this out is absurd

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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:39 pm

    AMCXXL wrote:
    Arrow wrote:Israel launched AD laser defense. Nobody else has anything like this.



    https://vk.com/video-123538639_456303262


    Soviets tested Aquilon shipborne laser in 1978, after 45 years the size willl be very much small

    ArgentinaGuard wrote:
    I don't think Israel will use nuclear weapons because it would be suicide. Russia could have used tactical weapons in Ukraine.

    absurd

    Israel's weapons are US weapons, Israel is just a US colony in the Eastern Mediterranean. If Israel use nuclear weapon the retaliaton is against USA regime, in Israel there are 2 million of Russian people at least

    Nuclear weapons have little military value except the mass murder of civilians, the specialty of the US regime, of course the objective is the cleansing of the West Bank.

    Russia is not going to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine, Ukrainians are its own population because Ukraine is a province of Russia.
    The best place to launch a preemptive strike is Windsor Palace and the US Senate.


    Russia can use nuclear weapons anywhere in Western Ukraine. Russia is only concerned about its historical and ethnic zone.

    Israel is not a colony of the United States. The United States is a colony of Israel. Israel is not going to use nuclear weapons in such a small territory, which it also claims to inhabit. That's why it's suicide. in addition to international condemnatio

    In Israel there are Jews with dual citizenship. Privileged scoundrels. Here in Argentina it happens with descendants of Spaniards or Italians. Something stupid that should be banned. If you go to another state you renounce your citizenship. These are not Russians, but privileged rats who at the first noise return to Russia or any other place of origin.
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    Post  AMCXXL Sun Oct 15, 2023 6:56 pm

    ArgentinaGuard wrote:
    Russia can use nuclear weapons anywhere in Western Ukraine. Russia is only concerned about its historical and ethnic zone.

    Israel is not a colony of the United States. The United States is a colony of Israel. Israel is not going to use nuclear weapons in such a small territory, which it also claims to inhabit. That's why it's suicide. in addition to international condemnatio

    In Israel there are Jews with dual citizenship. Privileged scoundrels. Here in Argentina it happens with descendants of Spaniards or Italians. Something stupid that should be banned. If you go to another state you renounce your citizenship. These are not Russians, but privileged rats who at the first noise return to Russia or any other place of origin.

    The "west of Ukraine" is Galitzia, formerly known as Ruthenia and its inhabitants as Ruthenians.
    They change the names of countries or towns, the alphabet or religion so that you forget who is who.
    They are  Eastern Slavs, inhabitants of Rus, like the Rusins of Transcarpathia

    The Poles in the 16th century forced them to subordinate themselves to the Vatican even though the people preserved the Eastern rite
    Basically a Western Ukrainian is a Russian who forgot Orthodoxy

    “And banish all the foolish and unfortunate saints to the outskirts (okraina), to Galicia, there is room for them, fools” (c) John IV (the Terrible)

    French atlas of 1827
    When it started to be called "Ukraine" it was only the Malorussia area around Kiev
    Ucrania means only frontier or march
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    The problem with Hispanic Americans is that most have forgotten that they are Spanish

    Bolivar, like Sucre and other Spanish traitors to Spain in the pay of the British Empire, destroyed Spain in America to crown themselves emperors in Spanish America, like a little american Napoleon, and only managed to destroy the prosperity built in the previous three centuries and condemn the continent that has been looted by English and Yankees
    On his deathbed, Bolivar himself had realized the error and the English deception and he repented.

    When they remember that they are all Spanish and join together, they will begin to escape the colonial yoke of the 2nd British Empire.


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    Post  JohninMK Sun Oct 15, 2023 7:53 pm

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    A US Navy carrier strike group led by the nuclear-powered aircraft carrier USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN-78) is maneuvering southwest of Cyprus.

    One of the likely threats to the aircraft carrier and escort ships is Hezbollah's anti-ship missiles.

    As far as is known from open sources, Hezbollah has the Iranian-made Nur (also known as S-802) and Russian-made Yakhont anti-ship missiles with a range of 120 km and 300 km, respectively.

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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Sun Oct 15, 2023 10:30 pm


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    Rabbi Josef Antebi, who was tortured and attacked by the Zionists, tells her experiences. Zionists are no different from Nazis. Zionists do to Jews today what the Nazis did to the Jews. Zionism is antisemitism.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Oct 16, 2023 12:55 am

    To target such a large armoured formation Hezbollah would need tactical ballistic missile.

    I would say a better way to target them would be with drones and rocket artillery delivering cluster munitions of the anti armour type.

    Do you think that all armed organizations are from Western intelligence organizations? Don't be so stupid.

    The west will support such groups or ignore their crimes when it suits western interests to do so, they will use them when they are useful and drop them in deep sht when they are no longer useful... like any leader of any country in their sights...

    the most guarded wall on the planet and terrorists enter at will??

    The point is that it might be the most watched wall on the planet... and they might have all the cameras and motion sensors to make it easy for a few people to monitor... but that leads to a weakness... you reduce the number of people watching so you can reduce the number of people ready to respond to an incursion should one happen because it is normally a group of stone throwing kids or other minor incident.

    In this case they will have studied the wall and found its weaknesses and know the patrols and where they are and when and by using an overwhelming number of incursions all at one time the security system would have become helpless and useless very very quickly.

    Ironically it will be the same for western air defence... such as it is... hypersonic and low flying drones and missiles will sneak in and take out the few large SAMs and their radar and comms centres and then they are free to target airfields and air bases with much cheaper simpler systems.

    It will be interesting to see if the Palestinians have lots of drones at the ready to deal with Israeli armour forming up for the attack and of course for use against artillery that is being used to soften defences.


    Absurd. First and foremost. Israel is not a strictly white country.
    Secondly, the Western media has not taken a pro-white stance for a long time. But how do you explain the woke ideology.
    The Western media is pro-Israeli because it is controlled by Jews.

    It can appear very white oriented... the Russian attack on white Ukraine is an attack from the Jungle into the Garden... they don't care about wars happening in the rest of the world including wars they started and encouraged like in Syria and Libya and Yemen etc etc.

    War in Europe is a world problem at a time when they don't notice other conflicts in other places.

    So Palestine's days as a country are pretty much over

    Which means they have nothing to lose...

    Israel launched AD laser defense. Nobody else has anything like this.

    Russia has been using a laser based weapon system for dealing with enemy drones in Ukraine for quite some time.

    Look at A MAP, if they dropped a nuke on Gaza, it would cause catastrophic damage to them and it would render many of their cities inhabitable, AS THEY ARE IN SUPER CLOSE PROXIMITY. At that point they may as well Nuke Iran as Nuking Gaza they are nuking themselves also.

    The fact I never NEED to point this out is absur

    They don't need to use big nukes and the risk of radiation is probably lower and less lethal than the ongoing risk of attack from such places...

    They don't have nukes for nothing, and they are western so they will use all sorts of lawyer BS to justify their use of any weapon as being their right to self defence.

    Russia can use nuclear weapons anywhere in Western Ukraine.

    But it wont because it does not need to.

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    Post  Backman Mon Oct 16, 2023 1:55 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Are you people who are trying to claim Israel could use nukes that STUPID?.

    Look at A MAP, if they dropped a nuke on Gaza, it would cause catastrophic damage to them and it would render many of their cities inhabitable, AS THEY ARE IN SUPER CLOSE PROXIMITY. At that point they may as well Nuke Iran as Nuking Gaza they are nuking themselves also.

    The fact I never NEED to point this out is absurd

    Not on Gaza you utter clown. In a full on Iran Israel war with a million men descending on Israel from multiple axis. Look what a small group in Hamas just did. Now imagine a multi national effort involving all of Israels fucking enemies...

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    Post  nomadski Mon Oct 16, 2023 2:12 am






    Yes the axis of ebeeeeel , does not need Nuclear first strike for occupation of Usrael . Israel does , and it may strike first . There will be a reply + occupation of Usrael .








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    Post  ahmedfire Mon Oct 16, 2023 3:21 am


    Hello Merkava , no parking here bby .

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    Post  Mir Mon Oct 16, 2023 3:28 am

    Backman wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Nice clickbait, Israel doesn't need to use Nuclear weapons and they cannot, the fallout would reach them, Israel would be nuking it's self. Hama's cannot inflict a military defeat on them. It will be bloody but I suspect, Israel fully intends to annex the last bit of Palestine.

    So Palestine's days as a country are pretty much over

    Then other groups will jump in. That's what they say anyway.

    Israel has the technical, training and heavy weapons advantage but in an all out deathmatch , the Palestine supporting proxies have the bodies. Infantry in numbers would probably overrun Israel. Especially with the new reality of cheap drones.

    Israel is also no match in the size of economy to its enemies.

    So if the anti Israel forces really wanted to overrun Israel, at some point Israel would have to reach for the nukes.

    In 1973 they very nearly collapsed but Big Brother was at hand to help them out and the Soviets lifted the pedal from the floor.
    Today the US is sending the Ford with F-35's - what can go wrong?! Laughing

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    Post  ahmedfire Mon Oct 16, 2023 3:48 am


    It seems Egypt reached to a ceasefire for sometime today .

    CAIRO, Oct 16 (Reuters) - Egypt, Israel and the U.S. agreed to a ceasefire in southern Gaza to begin at 0600 GMT coinciding with the re-opening of the Rafah border crossing, two Egyptian security sources said on Monday.

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    Post  Arrow Mon Oct 16, 2023 4:15 am

    Today the US is sending the Ford with F-35's - what can go wrong?! wrote:

    The US wants to assert its power. Two carrier groups with F 35 are quite a show of strength,
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    Post  Mir Mon Oct 16, 2023 4:46 am

    Arrow wrote:

    The US wants to assert its power. Two carrier groups with F 35 are quite a show of strength,

    No doubt it's a powerful show of force but the US should be careful they do not have a very good track record when it comes to asymmetrical warfare.
    Also both the Ford and the F-35 doesn't have a good reputation so far and who knows they might just run into a Yakhont so maybe a second carrier is not a bad idea as a backup. Laughing

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    Post  Arrow Mon Oct 16, 2023 4:48 am

    Also both the Ford and the F-35 doesn't have a good reputation so far and who knows they might just run into a Yakhont so maybe a second carrier is not a bad idea as a backup. wrote:

    I think only Syria has P-800s, and only a few of them. A large saturation attack is needed against an aircraft carrier group. Moreover, Syria will not dare to attack CVN that much.
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    Post  Mir Mon Oct 16, 2023 5:02 am

    You are probably right but Syria has quite a few reasons to attack American assets and it can even be done covertly with Russian aid. Same goes for Iran who happens to have invested heavily in drone warfare - exactly with the US in mind. They even staged an attack on a full size mock-up of a US carrier recently - so who knows?

    Two quotes straight from the CIA's Wikipedia about asymmetrical warfare:

       The contour of the land is an aid to the army, sizing up opponents to determine victory and assessing dangers and distance. "Those who do battle without knowing these will lose."
       — Sun Tzu, The Art of War

       The guerrillas must move amongst the people as a fish swims in the sea.
       — Mao Zedong

    They may even run into a "Ukrainian mine" that somehow drifted into the Med Laughing

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    Post  nomadski Mon Oct 16, 2023 5:16 am


    So what if Israel / UK / USA do manage to ethnically cleanse Gaza ? And later West bank of all Palestinians ? This aim nearly complete , by gradual ethnic cleansing by Israeli settlers , largely ignored by western media ! Then we have peace ? No ! Then there is even greater impetus for neighbouring countries to wage war , and reclaim their holy land ! The same applies to the Jews and Christians , in the long run .

    What is needed are viable communities and states , independent and living side by side in peace . Is the present land mass of Israel , with 7 million Jews and ? million Palestinians , capable of being self- supporting in economic terms , without the 3~5 billion USD aid for population and military ? No ! Can these population be stable , depending on foreign aid , in the long run ? No ! Can millions of Palestinian refugees return to Palestine , even if USA gives 10 billion USD in aid ? Is there enough drinking water for twenty million people ?

    What is the size of population that this present land , can independently support , in the long run , with Agriculture and some Industry ? And without aid ? For industrial development , it needs to be at peace internally and externally . Perhaps 3 million ! One million Jews , one million Palestinians and one million Christians ! Sharing equally the land , water and resources and with only small arms for self- defence ! Limiting their population by birth control or emigration ! Any other " solution ," will be temporary and unstable .

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    This is the whole 90 minute documentary that has been uploaded.

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:01 am

    Many Israeli civilians in Kibbutz Be'eri were killed by Israeli forces, survivor Yasmin Porat told Israeli state radio in a now censored interview.

    Here it is with translation.



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