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    2023 Israel–Hamas war

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    Post  Hole Thu Oct 19, 2023 5:31 pm

    You can build a big circus, put them all there, and let them fight using wooden spoons.
    With Trudeau as the ringmaster. With black face, of course. What a Face


    I shortly zapped through Al Jazeera two days ago, I read there that Israel claims some 1.000 killed civilians and roughly 400 dead soldiers.
    Consider this: Even if we take the israeli numbers for certain, that means that Hamas and other resistance groups achieved a ratio of 2,5
    killed civilians for every soldier. That is a magnitude better than anything the Americans and their minions achieved in all the wars in the
    past decades.

    Just saying. Neutral

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    Post  nomadski Thu Oct 19, 2023 6:52 pm

    @ Hole



    Come to think of it , you make a good point . A ratio of 3:1 , injured to killed , is about right for urban close combat fighting . Therefore we can say that the civilians were not necessarily targeted deliberately . But only died being mostly caught in the cross- fire ! They probably took hostages , at the most convenient and close by places as well ! No need to go to the Tibet plateau .

    pirat

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2023/10/9/israel-hamas-war-in-maps-and-charts-live-tracker

    Yes makes sense ! Also note that compared to tonnage dropped , of 6000 tons in built up urban area , relatively few casualties ! Means bunkers for civilians !

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Thu Oct 19, 2023 7:15 pm

    Zionist media: The death of a soldier in the Israeli Border Guard as a result of an explosive device detonation in Nur Shams refuee camp in Tulkarm today.

    https://t.me/mmirlb/449

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Thu Oct 19, 2023 7:17 pm

    Urgente| La ocupación anuncia el asesinato del oficial “Maxim Reznikov” de la unidad Musta’ribin durante los enfrentamientos que tuvieron lugar con los combatientes de la resistencia en el campamento de Nour Shams en Tulkarm.

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    https://t.me/gazaalannet/41142

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Thu Oct 19, 2023 7:19 pm

    Israel is evacuating its diplomatic missions throughout the Middle East.

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Thu Oct 19, 2023 7:29 pm

    CENTCOM announced that a number of US soldiers were injured in a drone attack on the Al-Tanf base in Syria

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Thu Oct 19, 2023 7:31 pm


    🇺🇺🇲 They turned away from the speech of the US Ambassador at the human rights meeting in Geneva.

    People attending the human rights summit in Geneva turned away from Washington's full support for the crimes of the Zionist regime during a speech by that country's ambassador.

    https://t.me/intelslava/52412

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    Post  Airbornewolf Thu Oct 19, 2023 9:05 pm

    -According to the US, two to three missiles targeted the American warship USS Carney off the coast of Yemen.

    -U.S issued a worldwide notice to civilians.

    - Israel has given the green light for the Gaza assault.

    -Islamic Resistance of Iraq has taken responsibility for missile strikes against the u.s base in Syria. (Argentina's post about the U.S base being hit in Syria)

    - movements of long-range ballistic missile launchers of the IRGC Aerospace Force on the Tehran - Qom highway

    - In the US-occupied territory of northeastern Syria, unknown persons blew up a oil transfer pipeline near the Konoko plant

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    Post  Arrow Thu Oct 19, 2023 9:25 pm

    According to the US, two to three missiles targeted the American warship USS Carney off the coast of Yemen. wrote:


    The missiles were shot down.

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    Post  Hole Thu Oct 19, 2023 9:26 pm

    US Ambassador at the human rights meeting
    How can any NATO state be allowed to be a member of that council? No

    La ocupación anuncia el
    English, please. Wink

    The missiles were shot down.
    Which propably means the whole thing was made up.

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    Post  nomadski Thu Oct 19, 2023 9:34 pm

    I know it's cool and all that , to target the yanks . But I think Israel should be the target for Now . You never know , Israel may stop bombardment and yanks could keep out of direct confrontation altogether  . If they don't , and come in directly , then no choice . In Ukraine so far , they have kept out of direct confrontation with Russia . Or maybe it is best to target the yanks first ? Open a second front and exhaust their supply lines to Ukraine , and break their Assets ? Kill two Birds with one stone ? Or attack both at the same time ? As well as Ukraine ? Better still ! And Taiwan ? Excellent ! As many fronts as possible .........



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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Oct 19, 2023 11:15 pm

    What are the odds, that along with humanitarian aid going to Rafah through Egypt, there are weapons and instructors like wagner?

    Russia could tilt the balance by arming iran , in an unknown way

    We know Azeris killed Russians and Armenians with Israeli weapons, and these also appeared in Libya, Syria, and Nagorno-Karabakh

    There is also the question of the IL20 being shot down during the Israeli raid in 2018

    The discontent of the general staff with the political line

    I think it is in Russian interests to weaken the west in this war, by sustaining Iran and by extension the proxies in the region

    I see Putin speaking neutral platitudes, but other things are being done behind the scenes like kinzhal armed mig31 and now this humanitarian aid,

    But I think Russia already has taken a position in this conflict, but it won't let it be known, let the Arabs and Iran assume the responsibility of fighting the war, but Russia will tilt the scale its own way

    Russians never forget their own, it cost Prigozhin his life, and it will cost Israel too

    Remember VKS bombed Turkish special forces killing 100+ , this was for a su24,

    There is a price to be paid one way or the other

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Fri Oct 20, 2023 12:49 am

    🇺🇲🇮🇱 The American C-17 Globemaster III transporter delivered to Israel the first batch of MDT David armored vehicles, intended to replace those lost during the battles with Hamas in the early days of the invasion.

    https://t.me/intelslava/52413

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Fri Oct 20, 2023 12:50 am

    🇮🇱🇵🇸 An Israeli drone struck a group of Palestinians who were firing at Israeli soldiers and police during their raid into the Nur Shams refugee camp on the West Bank.

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Fri Oct 20, 2023 12:52 am

    There have already been quite a few armed confrontations in the West Bank.
    Added to the Palestinian attacks from Lebanon, we have a general confrontation throughout Israel.


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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Fri Oct 20, 2023 1:00 am

    ⚡ Hezbollah published another video of today’s ATGM attack on an IOF security point in the Al-Menara colony and achieved direct and confirmed hits.

    https://twitter.com/AryJeay/status/1715111223870489022

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    Post  par far Fri Oct 20, 2023 2:06 am

    A ground attack has been green lighted by the US and may happen "within 48 hours", this is according to US news, so take it with a grain of salt.

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    Post  nomadski Fri Oct 20, 2023 4:42 am

    par far wrote:A ground attack has been green lighted by the US and may happen "within 48 hours", this is according to US news, so take it with a grain of salt.

    They can not just bomb and sit and watch ! Although they prefer to do this . The reason is that , the longer they bomb and sit and watch , the less we sit and watch ! Then they get retaliated , with more fronts opening against them ! They will have to fight on many fronts ! And even with support , they can not do this . So it forces their hands , and they have to rush ! They are rammed if they do , and banged if they don't .

    Regards forming a united front , with Russia against them , this is happening naturally by their combined war in many regions . They are uniting the world against them . The axis of evil , turned to the axis of resistance , and this is turning to an alliance against NATO . They may see this as a blessing , something to sink their teeth into . But their teeth will break !


    The countries standing against Israeli aggression , should concentrate efforts against them , and not against the Americans . This may keep America  out of the direct war , with resistance front  . Of course Russia benefits , because the support America gives to Ukraine , becomes more difficult to give . If America attacks resistance front , then no choice but defend . Russia can give support to resistance front also . They are short of manpower , we are not .

    Edit : Wait and see NO retaliation against Yemen against Israel ! And if attacks comes from Syria AND Iraq , Wait AND see NO retaliation . And finally NO retaliation if attack from Iran ! Because , unlike what they said , they have no freedom to act , against so many targets , as well as bombing the Palestinians . They don't have the power , and not does America ! Supply lines overstretched , too few carriers in other areas against China , too few stocks of ammunition ! The billion USD , is never enough to cover a war , across the entire ME .

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    Post  higurashihougi Fri Oct 20, 2023 5:17 am

    https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/11/beheaded-israeli-babies-settler-wipe-out-palestinian/?fbclid=IwAR3tCZ752jV5PFEFYrlkklqLfUrEJmF35IBN07gqyZXNqBRt_TM7UWGF68A

    Source of dubious ‘beheaded babies’ claim is Israeli settler leader who incited riots to ‘wipe out’ Palestinian village

    After an Israeli reserve soldier named David Ben Zion told a reporter Palestinian militants “cut [off] heads of babies,” Biden, Netanyahu, and the international media amplified the dubious claim.

    The Grayzone has identified Ben Zion as a fanatical settler leader who incited riots by demanding a Palestinian town be “wiped out.”

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    Post  ahmedfire Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:02 am

    Good she know people see Nazism on her thoughts




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    Post  ahmedfire Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:03 am

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    Post  ahmedfire Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:04 am


    ISRAEL’S LIKUD PARTY RULER: RUSSIA WILL PAY FOR SUPPORTING OUR ENEMIES

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:09 am

    The number of claimed Merkavas is obviously overestimated and hyped.
    Plus some of the tanks that have been hit are Mk 3.
    We can talk about around 10 pcs altogether.
    Still, it is a lot considering both the conflict scale and duration.

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    Post  ahmedfire Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:10 am

    More footages from HAMAS attack .

    This is why Israel is so angry and shocked from inside , IDF has been really humiliated .

    Graphic content .

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    Post  ahmedfire Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:23 am

    ALAMO wrote:The number of claimed Merkavas is obviously overestimated and hyped.
    Plus some of the tanks that have been hit are Mk 3.
    We can talk about around 10 pcs altogether.
    Still, it is a lot considering both the conflict scale and duration.

    Reports from IDF said up to 14 Merkava 4 were lost by HAMAS alone .

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