Russian special military operation in Ukraine #50

Arkanghelsk wrote:

Backman wrote:Anyway, FPV drones coally counteract FPV drones.

Volnorez ew system already negates FPV drones

They are mounted on tanks, in trenches, and bmp series vehicles

They are quite effective to 1 KM radius

But troops on the ground and in trenches away from vehicles need something. Something they can carry on their back at all times that can mitigate or eliminate the threat from FBV drones

What are you muttering about ? He flies in a Boeing because China cant produce their own aircraft or engines.

yes, she can' produce a plane of this class, & that was my point!

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-sure-doesnt-look-like-democracy-anymore-opinion-1844799

sepheronx wrote:

Russians are getting killed, so that China can profit.  China does nothing and is doing nothing.  Russia is far better off going alone and making its own world instead.  All these deals they have with China, they can keep till they finish in Ukraine and build themselves up. Afterwards, it's best to stick it to China and India and explain how Russia was being used and abused by these countries.

China does not need to go around revealing to the Yanks how they are indeed helping Russia. They have a strict policy of non-intervention in foreign affairs and they will keep going this way for as much as it can be done.

The Xi trip to US is strictly a carrot goodwill visit aimed at keeping the appearances and cementing the idea that any new Cold War is strictly of US making, just as the Minsk negotiations process was to Putin.

Plus, the US economy shows terribly how it needs the Chinese economy but not exactly vice versa. The massive debt cycle is currently maturing and the Fed needs the CCP to hold to their US treasury bonds or they are immensely screwed over.

Therefore it's all Chinese shadow play and one shouldn't read too much into it.

And yes, Russia needs to position itself in the Far East for the second half of the 21st century or it will disappear altogether.

The fact that China refuse to support Western sanction against Russia and continue to do business with Russia as usual (actually more than usual) is already beneficial to Russia. Russia is very strong and has a lot of potential, but that does not mean she can live without allies or partners. Without economic relationship with China and other defiant countries, the situation could have been worse for Russia.

The number of captured military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) is more than 3.5 thousand. This is stated in the message of the Ukrainian government following a meeting of the commission “on establishing the facts of deprivation of liberty,” TASS reports .

“The fact of deprivation of liberty of 4,337 persons (3,574 military and 763 civilians) has been established,” said a message posted on the website of the Ukrainian Cabinet of Ministers.

Prior to this, captured Ukrainian soldier Valery Vavko told TASS that the Ukrainian authorities do not want to exchange their wounded soldiers who were in Russian captivity.

Captured Ukrainian Armed Forces soldier Vladimir Leech also stated that he refused the exchange offer, deciding to stay and live in Russia .

On October 15, an action took place in Ivano-Frankivsk , in which local residents demanded that the authorities return Ukrainian soldiers from captivity. About a hundred people took part in it.

At the end of August, a similar action was held in Kiev . Then relatives of missing and captured Ukrainian soldiers came to Independence Square.

Earlier, three Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers swam across the Dnieper and surrendered to the Russian Armed Forces.

https://www-gazeta-ru.translate.goog/army/news/2023/11/17/21732727.shtml?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

A Russian pilot with the call sign “Voevoda” told details about a Ukrainian pilot who defected to the side of the Russian Armed Forces.


“We were able to talk a little with the person who flew to us. A senior officer, a flight commander. For now he is communicating with the right person. We will wait until he is given to us for a break for the sake of an interview,” Voevoda said.

Let us recall that the sensational news about the flight of an active Ukrainian pilot to Russia was reported on the night of November 18 by the famous military blogger Kirill Fedorov and the Voevoda pilot, who organized this operation.

Later, ex-Minister of Information of the DPR, military expert Daniil Bezsonov clarified that the pilot had been secretly collaborating with Russia from the very beginning of the SVO.

https://rg-ru.translate.goog/2023/11/18/stali-izvestny-podrobnosti-o-letchike-vsu-pereshedshem-na-storonu-rossii.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_hist=true

JohninMK wrote:SIMPLICIUS The Thinker Ѱ
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Maybe bring F-16 with him next time?

An active pilot of the Ukrainian armed forces who defected to the Russian army has arrived in Russia

A Ukrainian pilot who defected to the Russian army is now in Russia. Details about his recruitment and movement to the Russian Federation have not yet been given, but an interview with him will reportedly be released "in the foreseeable future."

The f16 which Ukraine will have will be the never modernised 40 years old version. Not much to learn from it.

If it was the latest version with modern radars and avionics it would be a different story of course.

From the F16A that Ukraine will receive there will not be much to learn (I also doubt that they will have latest generation engines...

Still Russia could promise a large bonus  (and maybe a prospective career in the RuAF if they pass a background check to show that they are not antirussian Nazi and did not commit war crimes) for all ukrainian pilots that would defect with their western planes.

Mig-25...

Quite right but Belenko did give them a heads up on the Mig-31 program.

Every nation will look after their own interests, Russia did the same thing when it came to the US and Russia learned the hard way and China holds no illusions but they need some influence in the US.

The US did their homework and picked out things in their culture that they knew appealed to Xi and used it.

Doesn't mean he will ignore all the shit they are doing to China and Chinese companies.

They are containing China and they wont stop now.

So the whole world is against Russia?

The rest of the world refused to join the west in blaming Russia, so I would say most are neutral at worst or have a positive view of Russia and Putin, which is not the sort of thing you can say about their view and history with the west as a group.

They have fostered xenophobia to the point where no one from the rest of the world wants to go there or surport them.

What xenophobia?

Most countries outside the west see the transformation Putin has made to Russia and I am pretty sure most would like their leaders to be a bit more like him than they currently are.

In the middle east Russia is clearly a respected country that natural enemies of Russia will talk to them and make deals... Israel, Turkey, Iran, the Taliban... not obvious reason to be friends with Russia given their history, but Russia talked with them and sorted out agreements and improved relations with all those groups.

The third world countries diplomats report back how badly they are treated, so obviously they would care less. Maybe they should take a look about how great America has turned out with immigrants. Even Russians themselves want to be American.

Get all your information from the BBC and CNN?

No protests were allowed by the Chiense, San Fran was cleaned up as a condition. The US had to bend big time to get this summit. In the end Xi delivered a long lecture to Biden and Blinky.

There were complaints in America that the homeless problem was cleaned up for Xi, but not for the homeless people or the people of San Francisco...

China can sort its own mess out

China does not help Russia by sending troops and weapons to Ukraine for Russia to use and Russia does not help China by sending weapons and ammo and bodies if a war in Taiwan breaks out. China helps Russia by not joining western sanctions and buying the energy Russia used to send to Europe and the west, and selling them electronics they can't get from the west etc etc.

Russia does not need China to be Russias bitch and China does not need Russia to be Chinas bitch.

Simple respect and non interference in internal affairs is all both need and that is what BRICS is about.

That will not happen. TASS recently reported that the Netherlands is preparing an additional two billion worth of military aid.
And if the Netherlands does it, so will other countries from the crappy EU.

Aide does not help when there are no men left to use those weapons or that ammo and getting women to replace men on the front line is going to cause an even quicker collapse...

If the Russians took Kharkov and Odessa (which is constantly being written about on the forum), they got absolutely nothing.

When the Orc army collapses the Russian forces will march in to keep the peace and disarm the population and round up the war criminals and then organise referendums and let the people decide their own future... part of the EU or HATO wont be options.

You want to join HATO or EU then leave the country.

the smuggled Lybian arms then helped to kick the French out of Mali, openiong the whole region to Russia & PRC.

The collapse of Libya as a country led directly to people smugglers flooding Europe with illegal immigrants across the med...

yes but he stood by and let it go down when it happened.

Not really in a good position to stop them though really...

And the whole thing led to massive illegal immigration to Europe so that was funny.

People... the nested conversation quotes need to stop or I will feel the need to do something about them... Please take the time to trim them down or there could be problems... you know who you are...

In a way, I don't think China is as Machiavellian as everyone thinks. They are just trying to get along with everyone. I just think they are very naive about the US. Putin is a very rational leader, almost to the point of naivete. But Xi and the Chinese elite seem even more overly rational. China looks like its making the same errors that the Russians did with Ukraine, with Taiwan. But to an even greater scale.

If the west suddenly apologised for the way it had treated Russia and started respecting Russia and dropped all the sanctions and stopped all aide to the Ukraine and directed its western allies to do the same Putin would start normal trade with them.

He does not hold grudges, he is not a petty man, but such an about face would be suspicious and he might have trouble believing them at first... this is not about the man or his ego, his job is to put Russia first and if he could ensure Russias growth and development without breaking away from the west he would be happy to do that... but the west made him and Russia their enemy and there are no current options.

No amount of weapons or funding will save Kiev, they have been showing off about advances on the Dniper.... and now reports of those that advanced being minced up are coming in now too... the mincemeat machine is working overtime and it is perfected in it role and is doing its job... when Kiev runs out of meat this will stop, but it might stop sooner if the meat realises what is happening and redirects its anger against the side that is sending them to their deaths...

The US is just seeing how many Ukrainians it can kill at this point. These ppl are so fucking clueless and brainwashed its unreal.

Your average American doesn't understand the difference between a Ukrainian and a Russian and essentially thinks they are the same thing so Russians are dying in enormous numbers... the vast majority are being armed and equipped by the US and are being killed by Russians that are mostly supplying their own weapons and ammo.

yes, she can' produce a plane of this class, & that was my point!

They haven't needed to... they have been able to buy from the west.

And yes, Russia needs to position itself in the Far East for the second half of the 21st century or it will disappear altogether.

Russia needs to build up its merchant marine and its navy and look to the rest of the world for trade and cooperation, and there is enormous potential for that and profit for both sides.

It is the west that is likely to collapse and fade first with its obnoxious behaviour along with the sermons and lectures built on such brittle foundations.

Without economic relationship with China and other defiant countries, the situation could have been worse for Russia.

If most of the rest of the world had gone with western sanctions I think Russia would be in real trouble, but by being neutral the rest of the world is very much supporting Russia because they understand what hypocrites the west are being... look at how many wars they have created including the one in Ukraine for goodness sake.

The f16 which Ukraine will have will be the never modernised 40 years old version. Not much to learn from it.

Would look good in the museum though...

Still Russia could promise a large bonus (and maybe a prospective career in the RuAF if they pass a background check to show that they are not antirussian Nazi and did not commit war crimes) for all ukrainian pilots that would defect with their western planes.

A chance to survive the war and be on the winning side...

Mig-25...

A western spy named Donald revealed the secrets of the MiG-31 which led to the requirement that the aircraft be upgraded and modified.

Tsavo Lion wrote:

What are you muttering about ? He flies in a Boeing because China cant produce their own aircraft or engines.

yes, she can' produce a plane of this class, & that was my point!

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-sure-doesnt-look-like-democracy-anymore-opinion-1844799

They are already producing the Y-20 (IL-76 derivative) so they can already manufacture large and complex aerostructures and engines. Of course they are still inferior to western engines, but its easy for them to dismantle a Western engine, and western planes and learn from them. The material sciences are probably the most difficult. They can write software to mimic airbus flight control logic a its all documented. Catching up is always much easier then inventing.

JohninMK wrote:Interesting analysis from the UA side, based on satellite photos of airbases, of the numbers of Ka-52 on the Ukrainian front with the conclusion

"15/ In summary,  satellite evidence collectively indicates that Russia currently maintains a fleet of at least 25 operational Ka-52 helicopters, with the actual number likely much higher."

Amid the ongoing debate about the number of operational Ka-52 helicopters on the frontlines, I've analyzed and compiled imagery of bases used for helicopter operations by the Russians. The findings are summarized in this 🧵Thread:

https://twitter.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1725628555285893436

It has been interesting watching the arguments over the past couple of weeks between the faithful true believers and the realists from the Ukrainian supporters over the internet. Reality biting for some, total denial still for others

Michael Kofman probably never would have guessed in a million years that he'd be dragged into engagement with demented freaks.

How the mighty have fallen.

Apti has just leaked the number from the first perspective.
600k KIA.
.. well, that was to be expected, "Dnepr crossing" for TikTok audience has its cost ...

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:

JohninMK wrote:SIMPLICIUS The Thinker Ѱ
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Maybe bring F-16 with him next time?

An active pilot of the Ukrainian armed forces who defected to the Russian army has arrived in Russia

A Ukrainian pilot who defected to the Russian army is now in Russia. Details about his recruitment and movement to the Russian Federation have not yet been given, but an interview with him will reportedly be released "in the foreseeable future."

The f16 which Ukraine will have will be the never modernised 40 years old version. Not much to learn from it.

If it was the latest version with modern radars and avionics it would be a different story of course.

From the F16A that Ukraine will receive there will not be much to learn (I also doubt that they will have latest generation engines...

Still Russia could promise a large bonus  (and maybe a prospective career in the RuAF if they pass a background check to show that they are not antirussian Nazi and did not commit war crimes) for all ukrainian pilots that would defect with their western planes.

I think the Dutch F-16's were modded in the mid 90's but still pretty much kamakaze planes.

Did Western corporate media already write anything about the defected pilot? The whole story would be yet another crack in their narrative. I hope at least Ukrainians will notice this, which could increase the number of defections.

mnztr wrote:

Tsavo Lion wrote:

What are you muttering about ? He flies in a Boeing because China cant produce their own aircraft or engines.

yes, she can' produce a plane of this class, & that was my point!

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-sure-doesnt-look-like-democracy-anymore-opinion-1844799

They are already producing the Y-20 (IL-76 derivative) so they can already manufacture large and complex aerostructures and engines. Of course they are still inferior to western engines, but its easy for them to dismantle a Western engine, and western planes and learn from them. The material sciences are probably the most difficult. They can write software to mimic airbus flight control logic a its all documented. Catching up is always much easier then inventing.

The production rate is about 12-20 per year. That's 1 to 1.5 or higher per month. For an aircraft that weighs 100 tons and more, very considerable. Mind you, the IL-76MD-PS90A is only manufactured in Russia with 4 to 6 per year. In addition, there is the WS-20 engine. This is a great step forward.

Russia should beware of giving more technologies to China. Trusting China can end more dangerously than trusting the West for years. If Russia does not manufacture everything from the smallest screw to the final product itself, it will never really be free. History shows that. The country is big enough for 200 million inhabitants. It must finally be learned, quickly and without compromise, that everything from a single source means only success for the country.

If they are partners, then those who do not commit treason must be. This is Iran. A deeper and closer partnership should be established with this country as soon as possible.

And it should finally be clear that negotiations with the West are only one thing: For the garbage! Every pause, every ceasefire is only used to attack again later, as in Syria, worse and more cruelly! No buffer zone, no rest Ukraine, nothing! Face to face with NATO! Up to their limits and then finally peace is here!

@JoaoRuchert
In #Avdeevka, the #Russian army breaks through the defenses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, which had resisted since 2014