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Russian special military operation in Ukraine #50
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Walther von Oldenburg Fri Nov 17, 2023 4:09 pm
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Arkanghelsk Fri Nov 17, 2023 4:12 pm
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You have nooo idea what happened in San Fran. What concessions did the USA get. The spent 6 months begging Xi to have a summit with Biden. In the end they got an agreement on climate which means the USA will have to import a shitload of Chinese solar panels. And they forced the US to drop a few sanctions and agreed to open the hotline and resume deconfliction. All the most powerful US buisness leaders attended the Xi speech and gave him a standing ovation. No protests were allowed by the Chiense, San Fran was cleaned up as a condition. The US had to bend big time to get this summit. In the end Xi delivered a long lecture to Biden and Blinky.
If thats what the Chinese want to believe thats up to them,
In reality the US keeps arming Taiwan, and is reshoring all the important factories
They don't have the backbone to call the US out when they are lying to their face - but that's not Russias problem
When the war kicks off, Russia will sell them oil and gas based on the price it will be during the war, most likely 120+ per barrel of oil
And if they want weapons they can pay for them
That's as much as China will get from Russia
And when terrorism comes to Xinjiang, Russia will waive hello to chinese troops from Northern Kazakhstan
China can sort its own mess out
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Volnorez ew system already negates FPV drones
Is it a jammer? When autonomous drones arrive like the new AI lanclets, they will have to develop killer drones to take out enemy drones. I bet they are already working on them at an advanced stage.
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Podlodka77 Fri Nov 17, 2023 4:31 pm
Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Russia should demand unconditional surrender of Ukraine, nothing short of it.
That will not happen. TASS recently reported that the Netherlands is preparing an additional two billion worth of military aid.
And if the Netherlands does it, so will other countries from the crappy EU.
The West (USA and UK) will never give up a cheap way to use up the resources of the Russian military (and russian lives) and thereby bring unrest to Russia.
This is their only chance, and they know it in the West.
The only chance for the Russians to lose the conflict is for the Russian population to turn against the government. In that case, the survival of Russia is questionable.
The West will use all possible means to achieve this.
The match is played until the referee blows the whistle and nothing is decided yet.
If the Russians took Kharkov and Odessa (which is constantly being written about on the forum), they got absolutely nothing.
Sumy and Chernigov remain as part of Ukroshitstan and the West will AGAIN look to strike Russia with cruise missiles. This cannot go on indefinitely.
There are two options; Ukroshitstan outside the NATO Pact (one) and war with the NATO Pact - option two.
I am in favor of option two because the West is unlikely to give up option one; since they can no longer steal like before and they need Russian resources.
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Arkanghelsk Fri Nov 17, 2023 4:52 pm
The Ukrainian army is close to collapse
Women are found dead in trenches now, and I have seen many videos already
We will see adolescents as well soon
Zelensky is killing off his rivals and investigating others and is contacting trump for assistance,
In other words, he is fucked
Given weapons, manpower, and inability of the VSU to make any gains, Russian military planners assess that after Donbass, the war in Ukraine will resemble more an anti terror operation
As they expected at the beginning of the war, when they were walking into the major cities
But the anti terror operation cannot commence until they clear out donbass fortified area
It's like a modern maginot line which cannot be bypassed
Women are found dead in trenches now, and I have seen many videos already
We will see adolescents as well soon
Zelensky is killing off his rivals and investigating others and is contacting trump for assistance,
In other words, he is fucked
Given weapons, manpower, and inability of the VSU to make any gains, Russian military planners assess that after Donbass, the war in Ukraine will resemble more an anti terror operation
As they expected at the beginning of the war, when they were walking into the major cities
But the anti terror operation cannot commence until they clear out donbass fortified area
It's like a modern maginot line which cannot be bypassed
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PapaDragon Fri Nov 17, 2023 4:59 pm
Arkanghelsk wrote:The Ukrainian army is close to collapse
Women are found dead in trenches now, and I have seen many videos already
Post some links, rest of us ain't seen nothing
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Podlodka77 Fri Nov 17, 2023 5:05 pm
To Arkhangelsk....
People in UA have two problems; the Nazi government in Kiev which is supported by the NAZI/NATO Pact.
Those two snakes are not easy to kill.
As long as the blue and yellow fags are ready to go to war, there is no talk of peace.
Russia spares Ukroshitstan as no side in the war throughout the history of warfare has spared its opponent.
And that's exactly what can bring unrest to indecisive Russians like you... well, you've been there often, haven't you ?
Maybe it leads some of the forum members to think that the Russians are weak, but I think that Ukroshitstan is only an indirect opponent - maybe a bigger war is coming.
What is the shame of mentioning the use of nuclear weapons ?
I'm in favor of burning everything north of the Equator if the West doesn't know how to stop.
The Russians will eventually have to show their teeth, remember that.
People in UA have two problems; the Nazi government in Kiev which is supported by the NAZI/NATO Pact.
Those two snakes are not easy to kill.
As long as the blue and yellow fags are ready to go to war, there is no talk of peace.
Russia spares Ukroshitstan as no side in the war throughout the history of warfare has spared its opponent.
And that's exactly what can bring unrest to indecisive Russians like you... well, you've been there often, haven't you ?
Maybe it leads some of the forum members to think that the Russians are weak, but I think that Ukroshitstan is only an indirect opponent - maybe a bigger war is coming.
What is the shame of mentioning the use of nuclear weapons ?
I'm in favor of burning everything north of the Equator if the West doesn't know how to stop.
The Russians will eventually have to show their teeth, remember that.
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mnztr wrote:par far wrote:billybatts91 wrote:This is the leader of the BRICS and Russia's #1 "ally"...
Every nation will look after their own interests, Russia did the same thing when it came to the US and Russia learned the hard way and China holds no illusions but they need some influence in the US.
I remember when Dmitry Medvedev was having picnics with George Bush in New York.
After which he hung Ghadaffi out to dry?
Very true. Dmitry Medvedev was given "verbal assurances" about Libya.
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Rodion_Romanovic Fri Nov 17, 2023 5:23 pm
I agree with Walther.Podlodka77 wrote:Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Russia should demand unconditional surrender of Ukraine, nothing short of it.
That will not happen. TASS recently reported that the Netherlands is preparing an additional two billion worth of military aid.
And if the Netherlands does it, so will other countries from the crappy EU.
The West (USA and UK) will never give up a cheap way to use up the resources of the Russian military (and russian lives) and thereby bring unrest to Russia.
This is their only chance, and they know it in the West.
The only chance for the Russians to lose the conflict is for the Russian population to turn against the government. In that case, the survival of Russia is questionable.
The West will use all possible means to achieve this.
The match is played until the referee blows the whistle and nothing is decided yet.
If the Russians took Kharkov and Odessa (which is constantly being written about on the forum), they got absolutely nothing.
Sumy and Chernigov remain as part of Ukroshitstan and the West will AGAIN look to strike Russia with cruise missiles. This cannot go on indefinitely.
There are two options; Ukroshitstan outside the NATO Pact (one) and war with the NATO Pact - option two.
I am in favor of option two because the West is unlikely to give up option one; since they can no longer steal like before and they need Russian resources.
And unconditional surrender means all of Novorossia is Russian federation territory. All of Malarossia is Russian territory, Kiev will be one of the federal cities of Russia (together with Moscow, Sankt Petersburg, Sevastopol and Minsk (yes, when they bring Malorossia back they should also bring back Bielorussia) and the north west is either immediately Russian territory or a Russian protectorate for 10 years before becoming an official Russian territory in 2034 (enough time to undo some brainwashing). All that are not happy with it will be free to leave (as long as they have not committed atrocities during the maidan dictatorship).
As far as the military aid from the Nederlands and others, at the moment it is mainly equivalent to bandaid or just a way to recycle or steal government money.
Many Countries in Europe are really fed up with this. Furthermore the human resources (i.e. cannon fodder) that Ukraine can organise are decreasing in comparison to February 2022.
If they continue like this they risk seriously to have internal rebellions.
Furthermore people are seeing now the behaviour of the "only democracy in the middle east".
Probably many people are realising the double standards.
So unless nederlands and friends want to send their own soldiers to actually die there, the actual results from the help that they can give is limited.
And even if they really send their military to directly fight Russia, but I doubt they will, the result will not change.
The difference will be that 95% of the russians will support the war, and that military targets in Europe will be also receiving kalibr, kh55, kh101, iskander, khinzal, etc.
And again, a successful negotiation last year would have saved many lives but would have still left a large problem unsolved for Russia.
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Arkanghelsk Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:52 pm
PapaDragon wrote:Arkanghelsk wrote:The Ukrainian army is close to collapse
Women are found dead in trenches now, and I have seen many videos already
Post some links, rest of us ain't seen nothing
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/92300
*not safe for work, dead bodies seen
Not sure how to embed telegram link (then again there are dead women so better not to)
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Arkanghelsk Fri Nov 17, 2023 7:11 pm
Russia is not indecisive, Russians Want more decision, it's the opposite
Some polls say people want negotiations, these are people who have no understanding of the war technically - which is why telegram is good, because it documents the war , and proves made up claims wrong,
But on the whole, even old people are using telegram, that is, people who never used many apps on smart phones, use telegram every day
That means despite biased polls, most Russians understand exactly how the war goes
And so collectively the people can exert pressure in the leadership, as for the first time in a very long time, Russians are as informed about this as the government, and they don't need lies from tv to tell them what they read and see from the front line
Access to it all, video, reports from the front, interviews, it cannot be hidden
So in reality, Russians do want a tough end to this, but tactically it is now more or less understood how the war progresses, and so more calm is there
Then you add western media, and Russians see and read the tone, and they understand, victory is near
And once Russians feel this, you cannot stop them, noone can offer a negotiation or peace and remain popular in Russia, even Putin as bad as he wants peace knows he cannot have peace without victory
And Russians tolerate all, internal disturbance, inner fighting, intrigue, as long as there is victory
As for the fate of Ukraine, Ukraine will be a dual citizen state, where all the citizens will have both citizenship
Language laws will be relaxed, education reform, and huge sums of money to rebuild Ukraine, into a paradise for Veterans
Vets with pensions will live in the finest communities in Ukraine, with nice facilities and beautiful homes- it's already happening everywhere Russia is now,
The vets are buying up the land and there's a frenzy
If you saw the army commercial where the guy wants a condo in Odessa, it's not far from the truth
Guys want condos in Odessa, it is recognized as the most desirable real estate for Veterans and for Rich Russians
Nikolayev is popular, but it's no Odessa
Some polls say people want negotiations, these are people who have no understanding of the war technically - which is why telegram is good, because it documents the war , and proves made up claims wrong,
But on the whole, even old people are using telegram, that is, people who never used many apps on smart phones, use telegram every day
That means despite biased polls, most Russians understand exactly how the war goes
And so collectively the people can exert pressure in the leadership, as for the first time in a very long time, Russians are as informed about this as the government, and they don't need lies from tv to tell them what they read and see from the front line
Access to it all, video, reports from the front, interviews, it cannot be hidden
So in reality, Russians do want a tough end to this, but tactically it is now more or less understood how the war progresses, and so more calm is there
Then you add western media, and Russians see and read the tone, and they understand, victory is near
And once Russians feel this, you cannot stop them, noone can offer a negotiation or peace and remain popular in Russia, even Putin as bad as he wants peace knows he cannot have peace without victory
And Russians tolerate all, internal disturbance, inner fighting, intrigue, as long as there is victory
As for the fate of Ukraine, Ukraine will be a dual citizen state, where all the citizens will have both citizenship
Language laws will be relaxed, education reform, and huge sums of money to rebuild Ukraine, into a paradise for Veterans
Vets with pensions will live in the finest communities in Ukraine, with nice facilities and beautiful homes- it's already happening everywhere Russia is now,
The vets are buying up the land and there's a frenzy
If you saw the army commercial where the guy wants a condo in Odessa, it's not far from the truth
Guys want condos in Odessa, it is recognized as the most desirable real estate for Veterans and for Rich Russians
Nikolayev is popular, but it's no Odessa
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Rodion_Romanovic Fri Nov 17, 2023 7:39 pm
Dual citizen state could have been an option until May 2022. Now it is not anymore acceptable (at least for most of the country).Arkanghelsk wrote:
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Nikolayev is popular, but it's no Odessa
As far as Odessa and Nikolaev, one it has always been one of the most famous city of Soviet Union and Russia and a real melting pot, while the other was an industrial giant.
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Tsavo Lion Fri Nov 17, 2023 7:56 pm
the smuggled Lybian arms then helped to kick the French out of Mali, openiong the whole region to Russia & PRC.After which he hung Ghadaffi out to dry?
that would also include N. Africa, Iran, Israel, India, Pakistan, NK & China- what r u smoking? the last 6 have IR/C/SLBMs with nuclear warheads!Podlodka77 wrote:
What is the shame of mentioning the use of nuclear weapons ?
I'm in favor of burning everything north of the Equator if the West doesn't know how to stop.
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Arkanghelsk wrote:mnztr wrote:
You have nooo idea what happened in San Fran. What concessions did the USA get. The spent 6 months begging Xi to have a summit with Biden. In the end they got an agreement on climate which means the USA will have to import a shitload of Chinese solar panels. And they forced the US to drop a few sanctions and agreed to open the hotline and resume deconfliction. All the most powerful US buisness leaders attended the Xi speech and gave him a standing ovation. No protests were allowed by the Chiense, San Fran was cleaned up as a condition. The US had to bend big time to get this summit. In the end Xi delivered a long lecture to Biden and Blinky.
If thats what the Chinese want to believe thats up to them,
In reality the US keeps arming Taiwan, and is reshoring all the important factories
They don't have the backbone to call the US out when they are lying to their face - but that's not Russias problem
When the war kicks off, Russia will sell them oil and gas based on the price it will be during the war, most likely 120+ per barrel of oil
And if they want weapons they can pay for them
That's as much as China will get from Russia
And when terrorism comes to Xinjiang, Russia will waive hello to chinese troops from Northern Kazakhstan
China can sort its own mess out
They are not so worried about Taiwan as of late. The oppostion has has united to run one candidate for the election, so they are likely to defeat the pro independance party.
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par far wrote:mnztr wrote:par far wrote:billybatts91 wrote:This is the leader of the BRICS and Russia's #1 "ally"...
Every nation will look after their own interests, Russia did the same thing when it came to the US and Russia learned the hard way and China holds no illusions but they need some influence in the US.
I remember when Dmitry Medvedev was having picnics with George Bush in New York.
After which he hung Ghadaffi out to dry?
Very true. Dmitry Medvedev was given "verbal assurances" about Libya.
yes but he stood by and let it go down when it happened.
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mnztr wrote:par far wrote:mnztr wrote:par far wrote:billybatts91 wrote:This is the leader of the BRICS and Russia's #1 "ally"...
Every nation will look after their own interests, Russia did the same thing when it came to the US and Russia learned the hard way and China holds no illusions but they need some influence in the US.
I remember when Dmitry Medvedev was having picnics with George Bush in New York.
After which he hung Ghadaffi out to dry?
Very true. Dmitry Medvedev was given "verbal assurances" about Libya.
yes but he stood by and let it go down when it happened.
I think Russia was not prepared at that time.
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Belisarius Fri Nov 17, 2023 9:57 pm
On 17 November, in the course of the air patrols in the south-western part of the waters of the Black Sea, seven uncrewed surface vehicles and one Willard motor boat with AFU landing group were detected travelling in the direction of the Crimean peninsula.All the detected targets were destroyed using the standard weapons of the Black Sea Fleet's naval aviation.
Russian Defence Ministryhttps://t.me/mod_russia_en/10890
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Gaddafi tried desperately to be friendly with the west. In a way he fell into his own knife.I think Russia was not prepared at that time.
Putin met with Biden less than two years ago.Every nation will look after their own interests, Russia did the same thing when it came to the US and Russia learned the hard way and China holds no illusions but they need some influence in the US.
A Japanese Kamikaze pilot had a greater chance of survival. What the heck are these guys taking? Must be very hard stuff.one Willard motor boat with AFU landing group
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PapaDragon wrote:Arkanghelsk wrote:The Ukrainian army is close to collapse
Women are found dead in trenches now, and I have seen many videos already
Post some links, rest of us ain't seen nothing
the Hahols are losing territory along the entire front lines , because Russia is putting massive pressure on the nazi lovers, there position in Avdeevka
is becoming undeniable, low on shells and ammunition and with there artillery now unable to support them and with no senior officers present, it's only a matter of time before the Hahols flee from Avdeevka, there situation is looking bleak
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Tsavo Lion Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:08 pm
Russia is preparing for a big war with NATO / Where is US help for Ukraine?
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Don’t do analysis from small samples.Arkanghelsk wrote:The Ukrainian army is close to collapse
Women are found dead in trenches now, and I have seen many videos already
We will see adolescents as well soon
Zelensky is killing off his rivals and investigating others and is contacting trump for assistance,
In other words, he is fucked
Given weapons, manpower, and inability of the VSU to make any gains, Russian military planners assess that after Donbass, the war in Ukraine will resemble more an anti terror operation
As they expected at the beginning of the war, when they were walking into the major cities
But the anti terror operation cannot commence until they clear out donbass fortified area
It's like a modern maginot line which cannot be bypassed
Women were found dead all the time, were you sleeping during Mariupols siege or Popasna?
Adolescents will have to wait, Ukraine didn’t mobilise under 25s still
Zelensky is not killing his rivals directly. Jailing or defanging. Arestovych, Kolomoisky
Is he fucked? Yes
It will resemble conventional war for quite some time. There won’t be insurance after. There won’t be much left (people, nor will)
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Tsavo Lion wrote:he uses a B-747 for all his long distance travel. Conditions under which China can surrender Putin / Negotiations between Biden and Xi: https://youtu.be/LKu-p2oSho8Backman wrote:Xi is on a cuck tour. He shows up to the US in a Boeing aircraft. Putin would never do something like that.
What are you muttering about ? He flies in a Boeing because China cant produce their own aircraft or engines.
In a way, I don't think China is as Machiavellian as everyone thinks. They are just trying to get along with everyone. I just think they are very naive about the US. Putin is a very rational leader, almost to the point of naivete. But Xi and the Chinese elite seem even more overly rational. China looks like its making the same errors that the Russians did with Ukraine, with Taiwan. But to an even greater scale.
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Godric wrote:reports coming in from the front lines the number of dead Ukrainian female combat troops is rapidly rising
The US is just seeing how many Ukrainians it can kill at this point. These ppl are so fucking clueless and brainwashed its unreal.
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