Russian special military operation in Ukraine #50

Screw negotiations, time to use some cruise missiles

Sounds like Russia has gathered up forces and resources for a winter offensive... would be a shame for it to go to waste...

Any agreement that does not include all Ukrainians laying down their weapons and surrendering as Russian forces move forward and process them and find those guilty of war crimes for trial is not an agreement that is acceptable to Russia.

What can we do with worthless Venezuelan money?

Investing in an economy like Venezuela has enormous potential for growth and profit and such growth and profit will benefit Russia and Venezuela.

And we? We get NOTHING, except a giant war, and our so called allies are off making deals with the very one who is attacking us

You are cutting all the tentacles the west had embedded in your economy that was sucking funds from your country to the west... all those foreign companies that made sure they bought western parts and components for things they made in an active effort to sabotage your aerospace suppliers... they are being removed... foreign investment in Russia used to be considered essential for progress, but now it is realised it is vampiric in nature... the west does not invest in Russia to help Russia or Russians, they invest to make money and they draw energy and money and resources out of your country.

Those strings are being cut, you should be celebrating, but not look too harshly at other countries who struggle to do the same like China or Venezuela... the west still buys most of Venezuelas natural resources and China is a sweat shop for western companies.

They need time to develop alternatives and Russia gaining independence from the west shows them that it is possible and that as they become more independent there are countries they can trade with that wont treat them like slaves or damn natives the way the west does.

Being part of BRICS is a huge step and as more countries join it is going to gain momentum and power to say no to the west... it can't happen over night, but it is happening and they are trying to stop it of course and their best chance of stopping it is to drive wedges between the BRICS countries.

Joining BRICS does not mean Russia has to defend everything China does nor that China has to defend everything Russia does... it is not an old boys club that cleans up the murdered prostitutes that the US kills...

Meanwhile some fucking jew cunts are committing a real genocide, and there is no ICC charge

And the rest of the world sees how the west behaves... even India who supported Israel when it came to the initial attacks which they called terrorism also condemned Israeli indiscriminate bombing in Gaza as the war crime that it is... which really upset the Israelis... they don't understand that a country can agree and disagree at the same time, but in the real world a friend might support a friend but you support a friend by telling them not to do stupid things rather than lying for them no matter what they do.

And we are there helping them against colonialism?

We should ignite the countries of all these clowns with wars

**** this multipolar shit , this election in Russia, we must make our voices heard to that shit for brains in the Kremlin

So you want Putin out and out of BRICS and it will be Russia on its own... that is exactly what the US and the west want... isolate yourself and collapse with no trade with anyone...

Hope the rest of your fellow citizens are not as short sighted as you are.

We do not need a multipolar world, we need a Russian world

You get two choices... the current world order with the US and the west in charge and dominating international orgs, or a multipolar world where independent countries can make their own choices and will not be put under sanctions by groups of other countries for not making the same choices they make.

Take your pick.

Survey found 48% back peace talks, highest since war began

And how many of those want Russia to give up territory, or simply freeze the conflict for 5 or 10 years to have it start up again and lose even more men because the current leadership and population didn't have the stomach to do it right.

Saving lives now will just cost more lives in the future.

WWII would never have happened if the western allies had just treated Germany with respect... the consequences were global... do you think they have learned and will be nice to Russia this time or does it take WWIII for the west to realise when you poke the Bear he is not always just growl.

You have to keep in mind that the current Russia experts in the west are FUCKING IDIOTS.

They have been proven wrong so many times you would think someone would have noticed, but they keep saying the next round of sanctions will do it... sanctions do work they just take time or they need to be harsher to work... and of course politicians are stupid.

If they don´t change they will receive a few more next time.

Their economy is on the verge of collapse anyway... no external assistance is required... would say the same about the west, but the things Russia is doing is also good for Russia so keep doing them. The things that do the most damage to the west are things the west are doing trying to damage Russia and backfire.

Recently read Algeria is looking to diversify away from Russian weapons for China.

Read where?

Even if they are it is probably because of Chinese investment in their country, so that makes sense. Algeria is an independent country and is free to buy what it wants from anyone it pleases. If Russia is ignoring them or not putting in the effort then what can it expect?

Thing is, UAE, Iraq and Syria all tested various Chinese weapon systems and found them sub par in performance. Russian weapons are actually battle tested and verified works.

So let them try Chinese weapons... some will be great and some will be OK and some will be terrible and they can decide where to go from there.

Most of the time most countries have the brains to pick weapons that suit them and their situation... a country that will be told what to buy or what not to buy obviously thinks its protection does not revolve around its own military but the country that partly funds their military.

Of course the performance of the US in Syria and Afghanistan and now Ukraine might lead some countries to reconsider their choices... or maybe not.

Bribery comes in to this, but as the US dollar loses significance then that becomes more problematic for them too.

Russians are getting killed, so that China can profit. China does nothing and is doing nothing.

Russians are getting killed because the US and EU set up a fight for them that they thought would destroy Russia as a country the way they destroyed Yugoslavia as a country. Russia is not selling weapons to either side and has said the best solution is to talk about it... Russia tried with Minsk agreements and of course documents Putin took to the US and EU before the conflict started but the west was confident that the Orcs could beat Russia with minimal help.. their forces were large and the west could fund them. Well China is buying Russian resources that Russia used to be sending to Europe which is an enormous help to Russia and it is not taking sides in the conflict which is also an enormous help to Russia... the oil discounts were to compensate new customers who didn't have infrastructure in place to buy Russian oil that was already cheaper than western oil. Now they have infrastructure in place the discounts are being reduced and removed but India and China will still buy Russian oil because it is still the cheapest which is why they bought it.

Russia is far better off going alone and making its own world instead.

An isolationist Russia is exactly what the west wants... they call it containment.

Afterwards, it's best to stick it to China and India and explain how Russia was being used and abused by these countries.

Russia has been pushing BRICS all this time, which is a concept of countries being independent and not being swayed by other countries to form groups to bully other countries to do what is not in their interests... it is the opposite of the west which is built to make the US a superpower in the hope they will gain the table scraps.

Russia can't go it alone and neither can China or India, but cooperating together in the form of BRICS means all the countries that join can remain independent and do what is best for their own people and their own growth and development. No sanctions or ganging up on other groups of countries like the west... otherwise you end up with two big power blocks... like the world had just before WWI broke out and killed millions of people.

Edit: to clarify sticking it to China and India; I am speaking of increasing prices on oil and gas deals and demand better trade deals on Russian benefit.

The discounts are already being removed and were only ever meant to be temporary while they organised ships and insurance to move Russian oil East instead of west.

Russians getting killed has nothing to do with China or anyone else

It's Russian problem (one they are also responsible for themselves in big part due to delusional peacenik thinking and pussyfooting) and Russians are the ones who need to solve it

They also need to man up and realise taking the easy way out now and accepting a peace deal with people who have lied to your face multiple times before and broken deals previously without any qualms at all, is the perfect recipe for losing a shit ton more men in 5 or 10 years time when the west has quietly built up an army and weapons and ammo for them to use against you.

As far China they can fly patrols with them all day long no problem because nothing obliges Russians to get involved if Chinese try something with Taiwan, just sit on your ass and enjoy the show

Exactly, if you want to trade Chinese lives for Russian lives by getting them involved don't be surprised if a conflict starts over Taiwan and they ask for Russian soldiers and sailors to come help them for a bit.

no, it's a big problem for Russia: if they had better relations, the econ. depressed RFE would get Japanese investments & more trade with/via Russia, to say the least.

Japan investing money in Russia is them extracting profit from Russian growth and development... foreign investments don't help countries... the west has been investing in the third world for centuries and has been leeching value out of those countries for just as long.

Russia can invest in Russia and Russia can benefit from the profits.

It also gives more reasons for Japan to side with the US & host their mil. on her islands. It's a small world!

For as long as the US has troops in Japan then Japan is not free to choose who it sides with... it is an occupied nation, and the western world is tiny... the rest of the world holds vastly more promise because you don't make profit in stagnant old economies like Japan, you make it in growing economies like most of the third world.

Its easy to translate the poisoned pea, elensky.
"Open to negotiation" basically means "the Pukraine is finished".

He has been spouting all this time that it is not negotiable and all Ukrainian territories have to be returned.

Obviously the secret agreement they made before Boris arrived involved Russian forces withdrawing from Kiev but I suspect not from the two regions that were wanting to fight them and of course not Crimea, so the prize they get for delaying peace a year is two more regions lost, but I would think Putin is not interested in peace and go for very tough terms like complete surrender of all Kievs forces and withdrawal from occupied territory and Russian forces moving in and occupying Ukraine while referendums are held to let the people decide after all nazis and war criminals have been rounded up and tried. I would suspect most mercs and US officals that have been running the country would depart very quickly and of course those currently in the west will not get a vote in the referendums which will include only options for each region that Russia finds acceptable.

This is the leader of the BRICS and Russia's #1 "ally"..

It seems people no longer understand international relations. There are a billion chinese people living in china and many make money selling products to the west. Russia can no more demand China only be friends with them than they can demand the US be their friend.

You are either with us or against us is American bullshit.

So one shirt will change everything ?

Maybe he is a sports fan... who knows... they wont have gotten that particular shirt for him for no reason... they are trying to get on his good side... unlike when they ban the import of chip making technology to China... the US is hot and cold and China understands they can't be trusted... but when the US wants to suck your balls and tell you that you have the biggest cock in the world then why not let them.

Some of the Chinese elite so badly want to be accepted by the US. Yet they kept all of the communist symbolism and thought this would work I guess. Its very strange.

Chinese commercial ties to the west are much much deeper than Russian ties ever were.

Western sanctions on China could be brutal to Chinas growth, but the backlash would be equally brutal so I doubt they want to play that game.

he uses a B-747 for all his long distance travel. Conditions under which China can surrender Putin / Negotiations between Biden and Xi

The US has been desperately afraid of an alliance between China and Russia for the same reason they thought an alliance of the US and China would defeat the Soviet Union. There is a US candidate that even openly says he would talk peace with Putin and give up parts of Ukraine for the express purpose of splitting Russia and China to try to stop them from cooperating and working together, which he says is the biggest threat to the US and the west.

NOTE: not sure if this is new or old news...

Good news either way...

Tbf China only cares about its self, they will throw anyone under the bus the second it suits them.

BRICS is all about thinking about your own interests and not being anyone elses bitch against a third party (ie no sanctions and no coalitions of the stupid)... Xi getting a sports shirt does not effect Russia in any way possible.

So I would never consider to the Chinese a real Ally to start with. They are your friends long as they can use you

Well considering the alternative is the US... we can never be friends ever and it is our job to punish you for not being us... not a surprising attitude from the west of course whose goal is to break BRICS at any cost.

You bring up good points but still he has that same smile when I saw pictures of him with Merkel and so on.

Of course he smiles... he is a politician... have you never seen one before?

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

billybatts91 wrote:This is the leader of the BRICS and Russia's #1 "ally"...  

Tbf China only cares about its self, they will throw anyone under the bus the second it suits them.

So I would never consider to the Chinese a real Ally to start with. They are your friends long as they can use you

So the whole world is against Russia? It's every one else's fault. Sorry for crashing your pity party but it's Russia that has brought this on itself. They have fostered xenophobia to the point where no one from the rest of the world wants to go there or surport them.

The third world countries diplomats report back how badly they are treated, so obviously they would care less. Maybe they should take a look about how great America has turned out with immigrants. Even Russians themselves want to be American.