Russian special military operation in Ukraine #50

It isn't the first time the evil Russkie are playing with time. They have stolen supa dupa missile long before Muricans finally constructed one. Donald said that. Not the Duck.

Edit : there are reports about an increasing number of Russian FPVD equipped with night vision/thermal imaging cameras. Ukrs are shocked that Russkie can afford to put a TI on something that is deliberately single-use only. Dozens of different attacks have already been documented along the entire frontline.

A-50U should have a range of 500km against 15m2 rcs like su-27 or f-15 have. When armed it's even better because rcs is bigger.

mnztr wrote:
What idiots decided to have this concert 60 km from the front lines? Just a few weeks ago Russsia wiped out an awards ceremony for the AFU, they were lusting for revenge. 60 km is not even hard for HIMARS. Donbas also has Urkainian spies. The idiocy of holding this event is unfathomable.

Probably the only Safe Place in Donetsk oblast Is Mariupol, since it is more than 100 km from Donetsk.

Arkanghelsk wrote:

Isos wrote:A-50U should have a range of 500km against 15m2 rcs like su-27 or f-15 have. When armed it's even better because rcs is bigger.

A50U is detecting storm shadow from 400km, that has RCS better than F-117/f35/f22 due to shaping, size, and radar coating

Not really impacting. Its radar should work in lower frequencies than the fighter's radar against which stealth is optimized. It will see f-22 at decent range too.

Su-27 and f-15 have big rcs but also carry their weapons externally making them very easy to spot.

400km against a missile is a bit optimistic tho.

1) Western propaganda

It is ironic... if the Orcs had not been so indoctrinated then they would probably have been more sensible and practical and hundreds of thousands of them would still be alive now, but equally if they had recognised propaganda when they saw it this conflict might never have happened in the first place, and Russian orders for Ukrainian engines and rocket parts and other things they produced would be massively increasing now as the economy in Russia grew.

mentioned that it is quite strange that since a few years ago (I do not know when it started exactly, maybe just before the Euro2012 football tournament) there has been a strong propaganda in Poland in favour of Ukraine.
Before that Ukrainians were hated as much as the Russians.

That would be when Clinton and Biden hatched the plan and started buying up assets and resources in Ukraine the way they did in Russia in the 1990s... except this time they made sure they turned the local population against an outside entity that they could blame for all their problems and their situation...

There is an exhibition of a destroyed Russian tank in Helsinki: https://mil.in.ua/en/news/a-damaged-russian-tank-was-brought-to-finland-for-an-exhibition/

I suppose the only reason for this exhibition is that “Russian soldiers died in the tank” and people want to see it themselves.

Didn't a European country do that before and it totally backfired because the people put flowers on the tank and it became an anti war rally instead of an anti Russian one that they hoped for.

So they're down to sending meth heads to combat now?

Actually from some reports I would say the barely trained conscripts opposed to being there, weren't they giving them drugs to get them to walk towards the Russian positions so they could spot where the Russians were firing from and engage them before they moved forward?

How can the older vehicle be the answer to the younger one?

More importantly the first versions of Bradley had the same single man turret of the BMP-1, it was only changed when they saw the BMP-2 and worked out that a single person turret is not ideal.

The west will blame the Chinese for delivering that supa-dupa tech to the backward Russians.

You can get cellphones with thermal cameras on them for less than $1K, and you can buy thermal cameras that connect to your phone for even less.

Good, and we should encourage these arrogant bastards to keep making stupid mistakes...

The best thing is that this isn't something Russia and China did to the West... this is what the West has done to itself... and they don't seem interested in stopping...

A50u is detecting from above. All stealth RCS figure are quoted from the front. From the top and any other aspect other then front dead center, RCS increases rapidly.

Double post, so I will delete one for you... but when targets are more than say 20km away when you are 10km up you are not really looking down on them at a significant angle... when they are 200km away even less are you looking from above.

Having said that, the entire purpose of the AWACS in Russian service is to find and track low flying threats like missiles and stealthy aircraft so I would expect they use all sorts of clever radar technology across special frequencies and processing to negate the effects of stealth coatings and stealth shaping.

A fighter plane 20 metres long with a supposed RCS of an insect in high frequency radar wavelengths does not look the same in longer wavelengths but an insect would, which means there are probably lots of different ways of isolating the return signals from actual insects from aircraft and missiles pretending to be insects.

For a start an insect flying at over 100km per hour or at 10km altitude at 800km/h is probably not an insect no matter how strong or weak its RCS might be.

Old look down shoot down radar used to ignore things near the ground moving at motorway speeds so it didn't pick up traffic, which meant an An-2 flying very close to the ground at 75km/h would be removed from radar screens as noise even though it was not even close to being stealthy.

Russia has been working on combining the signals of radars operating in very different frequencies and combining the returns via computer processing power to eliminate all the drawbacks of long wave radar (like imprecise radar ranging) and add all the advantages (ability to see objects despite coatings and materials and shaping to redirect radar waves away from the source radar) together with a high frequency radar that provides all the missing information.

I rather suspect they will add optics to that recipe.

What idiots decided to have this concert 60 km from the front lines? Just a few weeks ago Russsia wiped out an awards ceremony for the AFU, they were lusting for revenge. 60 km is not even hard for HIMARS. Donbas also has Urkainian spies. The idiocy of holding this event is unfathomable.

Pretty clear they need regulations that if such concerts are to take place that the PVO needs to be informed and that the venue needs to get the air protection that an HQ would get for the duration of the event.

Such things are good for morale, but not when this happens...

Well, no, these guys are not idiots but they went to this for entertainment.

The point is that if you cancel all these things some might wonder if Russia is winning this or not, besides if they can defend HQs and other things then they should be able to protect this sort of thing...

Plus they could use it as a test because someone obviously betrayed the event to the enemy and it would be interesting to be able to work out who that was, but you wont work that out from one event.

Funny... and what is the range of the versions they are using?

What if they get a longer range version and don't tell you?

Having it closer to the front line but protecting it would actually make it safer than holding it further back in the rear, and bussing people all round the place makes them vulnerable to attack too.

I would expect it would be an opportunity for some counter spy work to find out who is tipping them off...

That depend to a degree on how much higher you are. The storm shadows fly very low. So at 35K feet above they would still present a significant radar cross section from a good distance. You have to remember, radar send waves, not beams.

The A-50 is based on the Il-76 so it is not going to be flying at 20km altitude... I doubt it would be flying at more than 10,000m.

The earth is a ball so it curves away with distance... waves to find and beams to track.

When you can only go up 10km, when you are looking sideways 300km or 400km then you are not really looking down as much as sideways.

If you imagine you are in an aircraft at 10km and you are looking at things 200-300km away they will be on the horizon and not below you looking down.

When's the last time those weapons caused mass casualties in Russia proper near the border? That's about all there is to it.

This was certainly not their only entertainment for the troops, but if they had regulations for PVO to defend such events even the odd attack like this one would have failed.

Allows the frontline troops to be entertained and they will get confidence too... because Russian air defence is certainly capable of stopping this sort of thing.

Holding concerts near the front is a risk, certainly, but its not really different from the 101 different ways the MoD manages morale issues for the soldiers in the front.

Let the hohols and their fans gloat. The Russians are not the ones who sacrificed two fucking corps smashing head first into a wall of fire and steel and mud for PR points and even now is sending entire companies of men across a major water obstacle to be slaughtered like fucking ducks.