Russian Navy: Status and News #5

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

ultimatewarrior wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:They don't need four carriers by 2036, just four would be enough.

Four is not enough. They need 6 carriers by 2030 to take on US at Taiwan.

No they don't considering where taiwan is located

yeah, Taiwan is less than 200 km from chinese mainland (and even further away point is about 400 km). They are well in range of land based aviation.
The thing that they would really need is instead landing ships and amphibious assault ships, and as far as I remember, they are building those.


By the way Tu22M would be much more useful than carrier based aviation for such an operation... if they really wanted to buy something from Russia.

Anyway I really doubt that Russia would consider selling the Kuznetov before 2035... after two modern carriers are commissioned, they could do that, but before that is really improbable... at least they can keep it as a training ship to help maintaining a carrier based aviation. (The land based training facilities in Yevsk and Saki of course help, but cannot substitute real carrier operations)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/hisutton/2020/07/19/new-intelligence-reveals-russian-submarine-heading-into-english-channel/#11f1a1aa5abe

Nice tit-for-tat: NATO ships enter & rotate in/out of the Black Sea, sometimes staying there over 21 days.

Nice targets for russian anti-ship missiles.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8561297/Russia-flexes-growing-power-Navy-huge-parade-involving-200-warships-St-Petersburg.html

JohninMK wrote:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8561297/Russia-flexes-growing-power-Navy-huge-parade-involving-200-warships-St-Petersburg.html

Comment section is hilarious! Brits

Russian Navy ship with 308 evacuees leaves war-torn Yemen

This was stated by the official representative of the Ministry of defense of Russia

MOSCOW, April 12. /TASS/. A Russian Navy ship with 308 people evacuated from war-torn Yemen, including 45 Russian nationals, has arrived in Djibouti, Russia’s Defense Ministry spokesman, Maj.-Gen. Igor Konashenkov said on Sunday.

"The Priazovye ship of the Russian Navy with 308 citizens from 19 states evacuated the other day from the zone of military operations in the area of Aden [Yemen] has arrived at the port of Djibouti," the spokesman said.

The Priazovye evacuated citizens of different states from the Yemeni coast on Saturday, including 45 Russian citizens, 18 US nationals, 5 UK citizens, one Bulgarian, 6 Estonians, 14 Ukrainians, 9 Belarusians, 3 Turkmens, 8 Uzbekistanis, 5 Azerbaijanis, one citizen of Bahrein, 5 citizens of Djibouti, 158 Yemenis, one citizen of Somalia, 3 Palestinians, 13 Jordanians, 9 Cubans, 2 Egyptians and one citizen of Saudi Arabia, the spokesman said.

https://tass.com/world/788706?utm_source=tass.com_internal&utm_medium=internal&utm_campaign=tass.com_internal&utm_content=44291847&utm_term=309113&ce=SPAN.

Seems to be some kind of interesting comparative test brewing up in White sea:
Odintsovo 22800, Zeleny Dol 21631 & Vasily Bykov 22160 have all recently transitioned there for weapons testing via canal system.
Odintsovo being the first 22800 with Pantsir-M has clearly valid reasons for needing weapon testing up there but the others don't really have anything much needing tests so it seems like they may be there for some kind of direct comparison of handling etc?

Could be coincidental though, maybe finally testing containerised Kalibr in 22160? Anti-ship missiles on 21631?

hoom wrote:Seems to be some kind of interesting comparative test brewing up in White sea:
Odintsovo 22800, Zeleny Dol 21631 & Vasily Bykov 22160 have all recently transitioned there for weapons testing via canal system.
Odintsovo being the first 22800 with Pantsir-M has clearly valid reasons for needing weapon testing up there but the others don't really have anything much needing tests so it seems like they may be there for some kind of direct comparison of handling etc?

Could be coincidental though, maybe finally testing containerised Kalibr in 22160? Anti-ship missiles on 21631?

Bingo!

https://iz.ru/1047958/roman-kretcul-aleksei-ramm/vyzvali-patrul-novoe-rossiiskoe-oruzhie-ispytaiut-v-severnykh-moriakh

LMFS wrote:Bingo!

https://iz.ru/1047958/roman-kretcul-aleksei-ramm/vyzvali-patrul-novoe-rossiiskoe-oruzhie-ispytaiut-v-severnykh-moriakh

Interesting details in this article:

RTOs "Zeleny Dol" and "Odintsovo" are likely to take part in testing missile systems, the expert added.

It is not excluded that they will fire Onyx anti-ship missiles. These RTOs are declared as carriers of such systems, but in practice they have not yet been used, - said Dmitry Boltenkov.

It's always been assumed that the 22800 and 21631 could fire Onix as well as Kalibres (and have the required system software), but now we have confirmation.  

https://www.forbes.com/sites/hisutton/2020/08/15/russias-giant-battle-cruiser-will-return/#7e0da57c66ea

Uran-9 naval edition


CyberBoat-330 UNV/USV drone


Also new landing craft with 57mm turret, probably Kurganets based

We saw the amphibious vehicle before, where do the pictures come from? It would be nice to know if the project is progressing...

Isos wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:.....I can't even begin to understand, how you think anything you said makes any degree of sense.

He is not wrong. China could be very well interested by the Kuznetsov, even more if they offer mig29K with it. That's the sister ship of the one they already operate and they are in need for such ships. They could modernize it for a fraction of the time they spent building new ones.

The stupid part is believing that Russia would sell it.

China has no intrest in the Kuznetsov class, they moved on to larger vessels with catapults now. Also they have the blueprint so they can now build the class themself if they wanted to.
They could possibly be intrested in the MiG-29K but they probably rather develop thier own fixed carrier wings like the J-31 stealth fighter insted.

LMFS wrote:We saw the amphibious vehicle before, where do the pictures come from? It would be nice to know if the project is progressing...

The photos are from Army-2020. As far as progress goes, I posted back in 2017 about the BMMP, which was originally wheeled and they decided to make it tracked. They progressed from being just digital renderings to small scale models, for whatever that's worth.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1301525604072857600

Floating dock moved by a typhoon hits submarines, ships in the pacific fleet.

Another failure for their navy.

Russia isn't god and cant prevent Typhoon. Dont think they expected it. Anyway, it will get repaired so who cares?

miketheterrible wrote:Russia isn't god and cant prevent Typhoon.  Dont think they expected it.  Anyway, it will get repaired so who cares?

Certainly they are not God but they would have known about the incoming Typhoon and the dock should have been properly tied to the pier. The damage can be repaired but that would cost money which should not be spent on needless repairs.

That being said, from the video it doesn't look like there is major / extensive damage to any vessel it hit.

A storm is coming, you make sure ships won't be destroyed by it. That's the basics even for the random guy that owns a boats of 4m.

Even you can know if a storm is coming on the net.

That's amateurism and some will probably loose their jobs. I recall they fired some admirals in the baltic because of their incompetences.

Update on Oscar modernization & opinion which I share: 
https://vz.ru/society/2020/9/3/1058182.html

Yeap, some will be fired. To be honest, I think they should also have future wages garnished to pay for damages. But yeah, these don't look extensive so it will make a shipyard happy as it will get more work

Forgotten Atlantic

navy_korabel
September 14th, 19:30
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Surprisingly, there is still an opinion that "our fleet is securely attached to its shores" ( ref. 1 ). To be convinced of the opposite, it is enough to look at the map of the naval presence of the Russian Federation in 2017 ( link 2 ) (unfortunately, due to the high complexity of materials of this kind, data for 2018 and 2019 were not published, but this does not mean that the topic will not be continued). At the same time, the map clearly demonstrates the priorities of the main command of the Navy - these are the Mediterranean Sea and the waters of the four oceans washing the coast of Eurasia (North-Western Europe, the Northern Sea Route, the Asia-Pacific region, the northern part of the Indian Ocean with the Red Sea) and ,to a lesser extent, Africa. At the same time, the Atlantic Ocean as such and all of America remain behind the scenes.

Anyone who closely monitors the training and combat activities of the Russian Navy may argue that this is not so, and the Atlantic is not forgotten at all . Indeed, not later than last summer (in the period 13-29.06), the SF detachment led by "Admiral Gorshkov", after entering Ecuador, followed the Panama Canal to the Caribbean Sea and further to Havana. That's right, but, in fact, it was just a transit , a short episode of a global event - a voyage around the world predicted (or initiated) by the author of the blog ( link 3 ).

Apart from the SRZK and the GUGI ships, the last purposeful transatlantic crossing was made by the TFR "Yaroslav the Wise" about four years ago (26.10-17.11.2016 Havana, Trinidad and Tobago). Three years before that, a more representative action took place - 08/03/2013 the GRKR "Moskva" and the BOD "Vice-Admiral Kulakov" entered the capital of Cuba, then, already alone, "Moscow" visited Nicaragua (passing through a channel to the Pacific Ocean) and Venezuela ... Against the background of annual trips to the NWM, the North Sea, along the NSR and in the APR, this looks very modest. Taking into account the abruptly increased activity of the NATO Navy and Air Force in the waters and over the waters of all seas without exception,

adjacent to the territory of Russia (including the Barents, East Siberian and even Okhotsk), it is probably time to think about an adequate symmetric response, namely, to demonstrate on a regular basis a commitment to free navigation ( demonstrate freedom of navigation - link 4 ) in the Caribbean Sea and Gulf of Mexico. There are opportunities for this right now. Moscow, which recently passed the VTG, is preparing for the Caucasus-2020 exercise ( link 5 ), and Kulakov is operating in the SPM ( link 6 ). It would be nice if, at the end of the exercises, which will be held on September 21-26, the Navy General Committee formed a tactical group and sent it with love from Russia to the US East Coast.■

https://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/249353.html