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    Post  GarryB Tue Mar 05, 2024 5:40 am

    Poland would never accept land from Russia.

    They have never refused to take land in the past, like just after WWI or just before WWII.

    If they refuse then those regions will become neutral autonomous regions, which will likely sink into poverty over time which will probably effect the local treatment of ethnic Poles and Hungarians the way the Baltic states are currently abusing their Russian natives or Kiev was abusing its Russian natives...

    Neither would Western Ukrainians accept being a part of Poland

    They have wanted to join the EU and HATO and this would be about their only chance really.

    The alternative will be autonomous region and I suspect Russia will now take joining the EU off the table... the behaviour of the EU these last two years show it is as belligerent as HATO is.


    Believe that to be the point. They want to be part of NATO and the EU so bad and only way in is to become part of Poland... the whole concept designed to drive the Nazi bastards and their superior race mad!

    The irony is that the last thing HATO and the EU need is more cowbell... (nazi).

    What a waste of ammo ! And it landed ! Just a devilish thought came to me ( Twisted Evil ) arrange flight path , so that rounds land on some target on the ground ? Put a light on Dorito to help AAA land on the ground !

    That is a core problem of small arms fire against small drones... flying low between enemy positions or enemy air defence sites could lead to them firing at each other and doing more damage with their AA fire than the drone could possibly achieve on its own....

    It is a bit like apartments in Kiev getting hit during Drone and missile attacks... except the damage to the civilian targets look more like SAM missile damage than land attack cruise missile attack.

    The phantom S-300s that could not reach Kiev from Russian positions and are used to defend the city from attack, yet are blamed on Russia.

    The Ukrs should either be completely occupied or West of River left intact for them , with access to Sea . Either a viable state with agriculture and industry and commerce or nothing . This way is another Gaza !

    I disagree... Most of the agriculture and industry is in the south and east of the country so they wont be keeping that I rather suspect because the people who live there don't like the people in the west of the country or in the west of the continent for funding their oppression and murder in this conflict.

    West Ukraine is a creation of the west and all their cheerleaders are in the west so let the west support and fund them.

    They will likely not choose to join the Russian Federation and even if they did I am not sure the Russian Federation would accept them without a damn good clean out.

    Many of the more radical nutters will likely run to the west anyway.

    Thanks for the reply man I really want to know what that was. I think you and garryb are right but there is just something about jt.the thing seems to move too fast as the view from the drone shows that the object quickly closes the distance. Also there is some bright exhaust or emitter in the back, at least from what I can gather from the pixilated image. The digital zoom obviously cannot bring a whole lot of clarity. And finally the flight just seems too robotic. It seems to be flying fairly straight, maybe at a slight decline. It then quickly dives down. Do you guys see what I mean. Anyways very strange imo. I do know of rumors that hermes is being tested on the battlefield. I dont know if hermes is top attack tho.

    I downloaded the video and played it in a video player at quarter speed and it looks like it approaches from the bottom of the screen and climbs up and then dives on the target.

    The drone that is filming the attack means the operator of the attack drone knows exactly where the target is without climbing to actually be able to see it from their drone.

    They can fly very low to keep hidden and to protect them from small arms fire and detection by the target or enemy forces near the target or on the way to the target and then as they get right up to where the target is (which they know because the other drone is monitoring it and making sure it has not moved) and it then climbed up in the air and dived on the target... this makes it easier to hit the target and also angled the HEAT plasma beam down through the vehicle to get a better chance of hitting fuel and ammo and getting a real fire going.

    you guys where discussing this footage?.
    Reported as being an russkie controlled Javelin. Sure looks like one.
    the footage of its flight is slightly slowed down.

    Looking at that footage, at 19 seconds the vehicle actually fires a round, and then it switches to a different drone and what ever hit the target flew up into the air and dived down on the target.

    It certainly could have been a Javelin, but equally most drones could do that too. The low flight path up to the target would make them hard to spot while being painted mostly white makes them easy to track on overhead drone footage...

    Certainly not a Krasnopol, and could certainly be a Javelin being field tested.

    Javelin would be a good special forces weapon, but not great as a general combat weapon.

    It would be ideal with targets out on their own like this. As stated by the Orcs in built up areas with windows and other vehicles around the place getting them to hit what you are aiming at is not easy.

    Which would mean that the attackers were max. 4km away from a Ukro artillery piece.

    Russian spetsnaz are reportedly allowed to carry any weapons they want... perhaps they wanted to take a Javelin for a test drive... but probably not more than one launcher because they look rather bulky and heavy to carry around.

    The ridiculous cost of the system is not important when you get them for free... which applies to the Orcs and the Russians...

    US taxpayer gets shafted again...

    Oooops

    Funny he does not mention that F-15 has been put back into production and they are talking about continuing or reopening F-16 production and also the new replacement for 5th gen fighters... gonad or something.

    Sounds like things are not perfect with the F-35.

    If true, and I think it is, it was because the f-35 has extremely sophisticated passive detection capabilities and as it is stealthy it gave Ukrainians a better chance at surprise. Foolishness. These neocons are acting like wild west gunslingers, but gunslinging freaks that solute the rainbow flag. These guys need to be flushed from positions of power before they get millions killed. Amoral monsters.

    If true the Russians likely already knew, they were the ones that warned Iran of American F-35s flying along the Iraq Iran border using their low frequency radar array that was about 4,000km away in Russia at the time.

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    Post  sepheronx Tue Mar 05, 2024 6:06 am

    Even P-18 radar can detect these jets. See RQ-170 incident with Iran for details.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:14 am

    you guys where discussing this footage?.
    Reported as being an russkie controlled Javelin. Sure looks like one.
    the footage of its flight is slightly slowed down.


    Can be the case.
    I was thinking bout something more complicated, honestly Laughing
    Polish-made Pirat has an attack mode when it flies above the pointing spot, to descend at the terminal phase and hit top of the target.



    Pirat is a localized Ukrainian RK-3 derivative, where the main difference is guidance.
    RK-3 is laser beam homing, while the other is laser-guided.

    But you are right, no need to seek for conspiracy where there is an easy answer Laughing Laughing

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    Post  Arrow Tue Mar 05, 2024 9:47 am

    Russian Shahid factory.

    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/115388

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    Post  Rasisuki Nebia Tue Mar 05, 2024 9:49 am

    After all the ships that got hit during the 2 year SMO you'd expect Russia to send some gifts down in the Red Sea for those British and American warships, but no we have to contend with cool headed Mr Putin.

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    Post  PhSt Tue Mar 05, 2024 10:15 am


    I want Russia to send thousands of sea and underwater drones to NATzO's enemies and SINK as many NATzO ships in the Red Sea ASAP attack

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    Post  Belisarius Tue Mar 05, 2024 10:25 am

    Another Abrams?Russian special military operation in Ukraine #54 - Page 16 Img_2416
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    Post  PhSt Tue Mar 05, 2024 10:27 am

    Attacks on Russa's black sea feet are Obviously Directly supervised by NATzO. Russia needs to RETALIATE and KILL A couple dozen NATzO personnel. NOW!

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    Post  PhSt Tue Mar 05, 2024 10:31 am


    Another Abrams?

    Yes this is all good but We Need DEAD NATzO soldiers RIGHT NOW! NATzO just attacked another Black see fleet vessel with drones. Russia needs to KILL a couple dozen NATzO Soldiers ASAP to avenge the sunk vessel. attack attack attack
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    Post  Sprut-B Tue Mar 05, 2024 10:39 am



    Another achievement by the Black Sea fleet. After 2 years of continuous humiliation, they've learned nothing.

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    Post  PhSt Tue Mar 05, 2024 10:42 am




    Another achievement by the Black Sea fleet. After 2 years of continuous humiliation, they've learned nothing.

    I expect 1000+ DEAD NATzO soldiers Today ASAP as Retaliation! attack attack attack attack
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue Mar 05, 2024 10:51 am

    This is quite impossible I was assured by Garry that the Russians could easily protect their ships worth saving and that the command of the BSF was totally competent


    Now if this is true, I sure so love being proven right.

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    Post  sepheronx Tue Mar 05, 2024 10:59 am

    Hmm.

    I'm wondering what some of these experts here would do if in charge?

    Anyway, the ship got overwhelmed. Seems it was attacked multiple times and eventually something got through.

    What this conflict has shown is that ships are easy targets and not necessarily as good as once where.

    Plus new ships need to be designed for modern conflict of Unmanned underwater vehicles.

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Tue Mar 05, 2024 11:03 am

    As a more positive note, an Ukro S-300 launcher got smoked somewhere around Slavyansk.

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    Post  PhSt Tue Mar 05, 2024 11:04 am

    Now if this is true, I sure so love being proven right.

    You've been proven to be a RETARD a long time ago. Laughing


    Anyway, the ship got overwhelmed. Seems it was attacked multiple times and eventually something got through.

    Regardless of the cause, its already happened. Now, We need 2000+ DEAD NATzO soldiers ASAP as Compensation attack attack attack attack attack
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue Mar 05, 2024 11:16 am

    Hm that is some tasty salt more plz, I got to season food

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    Post  Hole Tue Mar 05, 2024 11:19 am

    to bomb single tree lines
    The pilot hates trees.  lol1

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    Most of the other stuff needed comes from Russia.  Wink

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    Another Abrams?
    Surprised?

    Another achievement by the Black Sea fleet.
    The Black Sea Fleet destroyed thousands of targets on land, sea and in the air in the past 2 years.
    They are faaaaar in the plus, baby.

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    Post  TMA1 Tue Mar 05, 2024 1:03 pm

    It is a patrol ship with few weapons. Doesnt even have a cwis system on it. Best they did is bolt a tor missile system on the helicopter deck for a little while on one of the ships. It was easy prey. Trying to defend from missiles when you are no more than five or less miles from the coast is insanely difficult. The only way this stops is taking Odessa and the surrounding territory.

    Russia has to have some presence in the vicinity and just take all ships out or the black sea entirely. In order to stop over 90 percent of all targets incoming, Russia would essentially have to lay out the most complicated defense array 5he world had seen. And all this within a command framework to safeguard ships and assign them based upon key parameters like air defense capabilities and whatnot.

    This takes time and money and there is a thousand mile battle line with depth inward that needs defending. Wake up guys. This  is frankly above what you think you know and any kind of osinting nonsense like some hack YouTube "defense analystz" doesnt just not help, it actually makes things work and bums everyone out. We wre not stupid. We are aware of the issues too.

    Just remember that on your next post. ---edit: added a thought.

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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Mar 05, 2024 1:45 pm

    PhSt wrote:I want Russia to send thousands of sea and underwater drones to NATzO's enemies and SINK as many NATzO ships in the Red Sea ASAP

    Ukraine is in Black Sea not Red one

    And Russian ships are sunk by Ukrainian drones not NATO warships



    PhSt wrote:Attacks on Russa's black sea feet are Obviously Directly supervised by NATzO. Russia needs to RETALIATE and KILL A couple dozen NATzO personnel. NOW!

    And Russian drones are licensed from Iran

    Russia should focus on Ukraine, that's what's sinking the ships (plus their surface navy incompetence)



    PhSt wrote:You've been proven to be a RETARD a long time ago

    I think we should ask the crew of ex-Sergei Kotov which one was retard


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    Post  ALAMO Tue Mar 05, 2024 1:56 pm

    We have seen the aftermatch, yet not how it looks, so here you are.

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    4x 500 kg UMPK, which was announced for a while. Wing pylons being used. Wonder how long it takes to add some more cabling Twisted Evil

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue Mar 05, 2024 1:57 pm

    Excuses and cope pure and simple, the ship was in port you can tell by the video there are buildings etc within view with lights on.


    Meaning the ship was protected by AD and other assets it wasn't sailing around alone in open water that would have at least been understandable.

    not only did Ukraine bypass the port defenses with enough weapons, to target and aini a very modern warship those weapons failed.

    This isn't the 1st, 2nd or third etc time.

    It's one thing to have it happen a few times when it's new but Ukraine has managed to use the same tactic to constantly send Russian ships to the bottom.

    So yeah sorry ass excuses of "the ship wasn't armed for this" doesn't cut it here. It's a big fat L no amount of excuses will change that

    The Russians have had more then enough time to build up defenses at their naval ports and they have constantly failed.

    It's incompetence pure and simple, unless your trying to sit there and tell me Russia who has an unimaginable edge in sherr production capabilities compared to Ukraine cannot somehow build more to protect their ships in their own ports.

    Either way it's sheer incompetence and you guys say the Russian navy can challenge the USN pfft with this track record the it would be. A one sided slaughter for the USN.

    The only question is why haven't the idiots who run the base defenses haven't been replaced yet.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Tue Mar 05, 2024 2:25 pm

    Either way it's sheer incompetence and you guys say the Russian navy can challenge the USN pfft with this track record the it would be. A one sided slaughter for the USN.

    so if you know it I wonder why US admirals dont? So far Houtis  drowned/damaged  some ships protected by US/UK fleets. And all  US did manage is to destroy ...  1,  only 1   submersible drone. Yay kinda world record.  Imagine there were 100 drones...



    It's incompetence pure and simple, unless your trying to sit there and tell me Russia who has an unimaginable edge in sherr production capabilities compared to Ukraine cannot somehow build more to protect their ships in their own ports.

    Urine?  really? There's  the whole NATO working logistics/manufacturing manpower intel behind this.   True Russian ports need submersible drone warfare protection but with saturation attack you need to find more effective means than guns.  

    The most effective means of protecting ports would be bombing UK of course.




    PD
    And Russian ships are sunk by Ukrainian drones not NATO warships


    british design, eu/us components even explosies are not made there. intel is NATO. But drone is surely Urinian

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Mar 05, 2024 2:37 pm

    british design, eu/us components even explosies are not made there. intel is NATO. But drone is surely Urinian

    ... and being operated by the Brit operators sitting in Odessa, who were generously geraniumed half a night long.
    Wonder how many "drill accidents" are we to expect soon burning the proud lions of Albion What a Face

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    Post  walle83 Tue Mar 05, 2024 2:42 pm



    Hit by drones 3-4 times it seems.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue Mar 05, 2024 2:56 pm

    No NATO country produces those drones for Ukraine they are Ukies produced more excuses.

    And I thought according to the fanboys here Russia can out produce NATO....so which is it?

    Russia cannot out produce NATO or they can

    More excuses, that ship sitting at the bottom says what needs to be

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