Russian special military operation in Ukraine #54

A big British ship sank a few days ago. Merchant ship. Plenty of stuff has been going on in the M East. Russia never needs to set sail again with its global position.
Britain, America, the EU are completely dependent on shipping for their economies to stay afloat.

I don't know that and I am a somebody and you are a nobody.  Not even an unterscharführer,  the SS revoked your membership after your IQ tests came back negative.  Also, a couple landing ships, a patrol boat, and a couple old Soviet rust buckets is the entire Russian navy? You mean there is no more Russian navy? The Northern, Pacific, Baltic, Caspian, and Black Seas fleets are gone? I hope you get paid by someone to sound this stupid, because if you actually are this stupid then I only hope you have earphones that tell you inhale, exhale (oh, I'm sorry those words are too big for you, breathe in, breathe out) or you might die of suffocation after forgetting how to breathe

The Black sea still has ships and submarines.

I think people on this forums, for the lack of a better word, has some kind of mental health issues or some kind of disability.

Yes, Russia needs a Navy.  No, sinking of a newer patrol vessel, handful of soviet buckets wont change much other than have Russia rethink the design of their ships and what to add.  The sinking of the Moscva has actually had this patrol ship design change for newer vessels going forward for air defence.  Now sinking of this one will also possibly add new capabilities for anti submersible drone warfare.

Karl's brain damage seems to be critical cause he cant even understand that Crimea is what they call the unsinkable aircraft carrier - its because it isn't ships that is important there.  And actually, Ukraine proved that ships in the black sea are easy targets for land based systems so rest assured, NATO ships wouldn't handle this either.

PD is correct though in that whoever is in charge of the BSF needs to be let go. Special attention is required.

mnztr wrote:
Did the Ukrainians sink a patrol ship? Man if they did i have no words for the RU navy. If they have no effective way to protect the ships they really need to keep them behind nets until they figure something out.

Indeed they did

First Russian made warship sunk, gotta give props to Ukrs for job well done even though it was Offshore Patrol Vessel

Granted it was parked in harbor so it's not like it could have defended itself like it would have had it been underway

What is baffling is that it was parked in the middle of active warzone which brings us right back to the good old incompetence of Russian surface navy

This ship's home port was Novorossiysk clear across the Black Sea where it would have been perfectly safe so what the hell was it doing offline and parked in the the middle of the shooting gallery?

Nuland's successor should scare Zelensky, by Dmitry Bavyrin for VZGLYAD. 03.05.2024.

US Deputy Secretary of State Victoria Nuland is leaving government service. She was responsible for relations with Russia during the first Yeltsin government, but all-Russian fame came to her after the distribution of “cookies” on the Maidan. There are serious reasons for the fact that Nuland chose retirement, although she was destined for the position of Secretary of State. And the President of Ukraine has reasons to be scared by the candidacy of her replacement.

Formally, Victoria Nuland was only fourth in the US diplomatic hierarchy, but in terms of her real influence she was comparable to number one - Secretary of State Antony Blinken, whose place she was rumored to be aiming for. They were close in their views, but belonged to different clans, and Nuland loomed over Blinken like a nemesis: if they had decided to blame all the foreign policy failures of the Biden period on the Secretary of State and removed him from office, the State Department would probably have gone to her.

She is only a year older than Blinken, but as a diplomat she is old enough to be his mother. He is more of an armchair theorist than a practitioner, more of a give-and-take for politicians than a politician, while Nuland usually worked “on the front lines” - in protected meeting rooms around the world, being a career ambassador in both the Russian and American sense of the term.

In Russia, this means that a person entered the diplomatic service not from the outside (for example, as a political appointee), but through specialized education and a ladder in the structures of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. And in the USA, this is something like the main honorary title for diplomats - a statement of not only merit, but also the highest professional qualifications. Since 1956, only six dozen people have been awarded it, and Nuland is one of the most famous on the list.

She was good at her job, for decades she was responsible for important areas for Washington - NATO, Russia, Ukraine, and as if she was born to someday head the State Department, and best of all now, when it is especially fashionable to appoint women. However, President Joe Biden, like an old man, stubbornly clings to Blinken, whom he has known for a long time and closely. He trusts him and does not want to replace him with stronger and more independent characters like Nuland.

Nevertheless, the Secretary of State must have breathed a sigh of relief when he received her resignation letter .

The fact that Blinken himself announced the departure of his alleged rival seems to indicate his desire to cut off her path to retreat and the possibility of changing her mind. Whether this is true or not, he was generous with his compliments, calling Nuland “exceptional” and promising her a place in textbooks because of the role she played in the events surrounding Ukraine.

There may also be a place for it in Russian textbooks, only with different accents. Nuland became famous on our side of the Pacific and Atlantic when she distributed cookies to Euromaidan protesters in the run-up to the coup. And this fame was supported by the fact that she continued to oversee the Ukrainian direction and was the main negotiator between Washington and Moscow on all issues arising from this.

The beginning of the SVO is her personal failure; Nuland tried to prevent such a turn of events , but was unable to maintain the required degree of control over the willful Ukrainian government. She also allegedly wanted to prevent the resignation of the commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Valery Zaluzhny and also did not succeed. Soon after this, Nuland ceased to be Blinken’s first deputy and number two in the State Department (formally she was considered a replacement in this position and lasted six months until the appointment of Kurt Campbell), and now, a month later, she is resigning from her “post number four”, then there is definitively.

This is unlikely to be a decline due to failures. Nuland had many failures in her career, primarily because she worked in the most difficult areas.

This is much more like escaping a sinking ship, where the ship is the Joe Biden administration.

The option in which he will be able to win the presidential election in eight months seems unlikely . In Nuland’s eyes, he may be completely incredible, since she interacts with “old Joe” personally and is closer to his diagnosis than most. And with the return of Donald Trump to the White House, her further work in the State Department is incompatible, despite her experience and “epaulets.”

Although Nuland is strongly associated with the Democratic Party of Obama and Biden, she is a cross-party diplomat - the kind of career pro who remains in service regardless of the personality of the president. Nuland received her first non-official, but truly public position as US Ambassador to NATO under Republican George W. Bush. It is very possible that this was facilitated by her husband Robert Kagan, a political theorist, and also a friend and like-minded person in the entourage of both Bushes, the elder and the younger.

His strong connection with the “ neocons ” - the most aggressive wing of the Republicans - continues to this day, although Kagan himself left the party with the advent of President Trump, cursing him in every way.

Nuland then also left the government service: perhaps because of her husband, but more likely because her political credo suited both the “neocons” Republicans and the globalist Democrats, but not the isolationist “Trumpists.” This credo is to maintain US global dominance at any cost and fight disloyal regimes using force.

She publicly emphasized that the work of diplomats and military personnel complements each other. This is true, but coming from a supporter of American expansionism it sounds creepy – in the spirit of the eternal “wars for democracy” next to Russia and oil.

Trump is more in favor of keeping soldiers at home, and dissolving NATO as too expensive. This is primarily why the “neocons” declared themselves Trump’s main opponents within the party, but lost and were pushed from significant party posts to the margins during the Trumpian renaissance, caused not by the fact that the former president was truly good, but by the fact that the current one ( that is, Biden) is really bad.

Lastly, the “neocons” invested in Nikki Haley , but now it is obvious that it will be easier to put Trump in the ground than to raise Haley above it.

Biden is also, to put it mildly, not a fighter, so the comfortable time for Nuland to leave is now. Blinken will be with the boss to the end, like a faithful squire, and Nuland does not need to hand over matters to the “Trumpists” who hate her, who will ask unpleasant questions and delve into sensitive details.

So she will hand over matters to John Bass, another career diplomat with similar views, whose record, however, should make Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky wince. Bass is not a new doctor. More like a pathologist.

He was ambassador to Afghanistan when the Americans fled, leaving the country to the Taliban. And the ambassador to Georgia, when Washington’s protege Mikheil Saakashvili lost power. And also as ambassador to Turkey, when President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, having resisted an attempted military coup, carried out a large-scale purge of American agents and agents of influence.

That is, the person who will inherit all Ukrainian issues from Nuland is not very lucky, but he certainly knows how to destroy evidence and seal premises. But this is exactly what Nuland, and Biden, and Biden Jr. need in Ukraine, whose greed and forgetfulness brought his father under impeachment , and the entire globalist elite that fanned the fire of war in Eastern Europe and could not curb it.

https://vz.ru/politics/2024/3/5/1256631.html

are we still talking about the stupid boat? how about we talk about the irrefutable footage of HIMARS which can't be misrepresented as any other MLRS system gets blown up with a rocket firing off that an excuse of it was a decoy gets thrown out the window? The tornado destroying this system is the equivalent of a m1a2sepv4 getting destroyed by a T-90 or an F-22 and F-35 getting killed by a Su-57. This is big news.

Houthis and all other groups AT WAR with NATzO needs to be provided with thousands of drones and targeting data to SINK NATzO ships (An Aircraft carrier is preferable) in the Red Sea and beyond.

Yes, All of Ukraine, the Baltics and Finland will be liberated and incorporated back to Russia, but NATzO ships (No less than 10 Destroyers) need to be SUNK as payback for their Cowardly Terrorist attack against Russia's black sea fleet.

funny takes from kiwifarms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torpedo_net can this work? I can't tell if Pod got banned or he just rage quit from posting on these threads from ships getting hit. he was an active poster on the Navy thread.

Russia needs to SINK NATzO Ships (via proxy) and KILL NATzO troops in Ukraine. Do it Now ASAP.

Seig in 1941 would have declared the war lost because the Soviet Union Battleships were destroyed in their shipyards and the Marat was destroyed.  Oh wait, while these losses suck this is also a land war and nothing really gamechanging happened.

By the way, if I watched RT correctly, they said Russia completely captured their bank of the Dniepr? 2ait, I know what this is.  These ship sinkings aren't successes.  They aren't even terrorist attacks.  They're temper tantrums and Russia has been and should continue to treat them as such.  Seriously, Ukraine reminds me so much of the child who says 4 letter words (as it happens Urinepost and its American and Eurotrash supporters loves pottymouths, remember Russian ship go f yourself) when mom has repeatedly told them not to and explained why, so the lil bastard keeps it up, mom (kinda mother Russia in this analogy), gets tired of the potty mouth and back hands him.  The child sent to his room defeated retaliates by smashing a vase on the way.  The vase is not some priceless object d'art but a 5 dollar thing bought at Target on sale.  Oh sure mom liked the vase but its still her house, she can easily replace it and while the bastard feels victorious he is still in his room and she still will dictate terms to him