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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Apr 21, 2024 9:45 am

    Cool,
    so first chips form western washing machines made in China then recycling of already used? I mean if the bomb exploded then how big is the chance it's not damaged? If Russian bombs are called jdamsky then US space rockets shall be called Soyuzski and mars rover Lunokhodsky lol1 lol1 lol1

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    Post  xeno Sun Apr 21, 2024 10:22 am

    To GD,
    These are not Chinese chips.
    These electronics parts on UMPC are made by Kometa(Russian company) and Taoglas(Irish company).

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    Post  xeno Sun Apr 21, 2024 10:29 am

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    Leopard 2A6 is on its way to Kubinka...

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    Post  higurashihougi Sun Apr 21, 2024 10:58 am

    https://www.rt.com/news/596323-russian-drones-destroy-abrams-tanks/

    $500 Russian drones destroying $10,000,000 American tanks – NYT
    Moscow’s forces have destroyed five US-made Abrams in Ukraine and damaged another three, the newspaper has claimed


    Expensive American M1 Abrams tanks delivered to Ukraine are increasingly falling prey to Russian drones that cost only a fraction as much, the New York Times reported on Saturday.

    In most cases, the tanks have been destroyed by first-person-view (FPV) kamikaze drones, also known as loitering munitions. These drones are capable of maneuvering before hitting their targets.

    In at least one instance though, an Abrams tank was taken out in a duel against a Russian T-72B3 main battle tank. The Russian military has published upwards of a dozen clips, mostly taken from drones, showing the destruction of US-supplied equipment.

    According to the NYT, the tanks turned out to be “more easily taken out by exploding drones than some officials and experts had initially assumed.” The media outlet cited Austrian historian and military expert Colonel Markus Reisner, who described the situation as “unbelievable.” The paper also described the Russian UAVs as “highly-accurate, low-cost tank killers.”

    The drones’ accuracy exceeds 90%, the NYT said, adding that they are also capable of hitting heavy armor in its weakest spots. The UAVs “can cost as little as $500,” the paper reported, and are capable of “taking out a $10 million Abrams tank.” The paper noted that there is no “easy, or single” way to defend a tank against a drone attack.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Apr 21, 2024 11:25 am

    The 30-round drum on the Saiga fits well too. In my opinion, the concern lies in the weight of the shotgun plus ammo versus agility.

    Bullpups tend to be heavier than normal weapons of the same type, but also tend to have the centre of gravity to the rear, which means they are barrel light, which should equate to easy to swing around and point.

    I would say a 10 round magazine would be better in terms of weight vs fire power... with experience you would quickly work out what type of round works best and might be able to switch to that type only. Having to use two types of ammo means a 10 shot mag or a 25-30 shot mag can only engage 5 to 12-15 targets before needing a reload.

    Now that is a lot, but it would be better if you had the right ammo that killed with one shot so you could kill 10 or 25-30 targets per mag.

    The advantage of the #4 buckshot is that it is a ball bearing about 7mm diameter so it is lethal to humans at decent distances whereas number 3 or number 4 shot is rather smaller 3-4mm which might not be lethal without getting multiple hits.

    Of course these are lead so even soft body armour will perform well against it.

    A diving FPV drone moves at around 30m/s, leaving little time for reloading. However, agility is crucial.

    Training should be quite straight forward though... a clay bird launcher pointed at you and you defend yourself... nothing like practise to get your eye in.

    I appreciate your suggestion regarding the 40mm "canister shot" with high density over a large area. Perhaps two barrels are even better than a drum-fed system.
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    There is the 6 shot revolver grenade launcher for 40mm underbarrel rounds and there is also the 4 shot GM pump action 43mm grenade launcher too.

    The point is that an explosive projected wall of projectiles would be moving rather faster than from any shotgun barrel so its anti human performance would be rather astounding too. A round you can load up if the enemy decides to charge your position would be devastating... even a downward facing launcher mounted on the belly of a drone that can launch projectiles at low altitudes (or standard grenades from higher altitudes). Grenades for high flying drones and shotgun claymore type rounds for clearing soldiers off vehicles at lower altitudes... to be followed by a HEAT charge round.

    The 30mm APDP round for the Apache can penetrate 50mm of armour so a 40mm grenade should be able to do as well or better...

    Russia is much better at counter insurgency and they have an extensive spy network they can rely on. The message to the west can be simple, back down or Russia will start aiding every terror group in the West.

    But Russia wont because it is not a criminal organisation the west depicts it as being, and also you are ignoring the much larger force the Russians would need to send in to actually take all that territory which would massively add to the available targets for the west and the Kiev scum.

    The Russian losses will massively increase but the Ukrainian losses might even go down as they surrender.

    The Russian military has worked out its options and this is the options and tactics they have chosen. You can claim to know better but when this conflict started and the final plans and tactics had to be finalised there was no intent to add to Russian Federation territory so there was no interest in occupying regions that were not involved.

    As western weapon deliveries extended the range of Kievs potential for attacks then Russian interest in taking out enemy forces further afield has become an issue... as they introduce longer ranged systems then the distance from new Russian territory has to be cleared and neutralised. As they get longer and longer ranged systems the fate of non Russian Ukraine is being sealed... how stupid are they?

    Odessa is not really an ethnic Ukrainian city; it is located on the territory of the former New Serbia.


    These are not pro-Russian Ukrainians, these are ethnic Russians and other non-Ukrainians from the New Serbia.

    I suspect over time more and more people who would normally be identified as Ukrainian because of where they were born will identify less and less as Ukrainian... because Kiev and the west have made it a dirty word. Much like western actions in Russia in the 1990s made democracy a dirty word too... it means asset stripping and theft and murder.

    JDAM would love to be as good as UMPK.

    The cost of components would match ruble for US dollar... JDAM 1 million dollars, UMPK 1 million rubles.... (1 million dollars US vs $10,000 dollars US...)

    Those circuit boards are made in Russia so they don't need to buy them off the black market to make more... why fund their enemy?

    The issue with the drones is amusing because the western equivalent to these Russian drones are vastly more expensive.... American light small drones are $20K plus per model and so against some armoured vehicles they cost more that the targets they are hitting.

    The Russian drones are cheap in comparison and are more effective because they seem to be less effected by EW equipment and jamming systems.

    But the west is about to put new tanks into mass serial production while the Russians are likely to perfect their drones to carry custom designed top attack warheads instead of duct taped old RPG-7 warheads that can take out the most powerful modern tank when directed at the turret roof armour... they are not even using their more powerful warheads.

    They probably have millions of old model RPG-7 warheads in storage too... they would be fine for use against western BMPs and BTRs, but with drones they can also take out the most expensive western tank too... this is hilarious.

    All that extra weight and cost of those super western tanks and they are just as vulnerable as any other lighter cheaper tank when it comes to drones or the newest Russian ATGMs... ground or aircraft launched.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Apr 21, 2024 12:06 pm

    ucmvulcan wrote:
    So in a way this radar system is something akin to a much more advanced home chain type system where you have to hit the whole damn thing and the surrounding electronic and control bunkers or else you didn't achieve anything?

    It won't operate at full power, which may affect the target size it can detect, so will lower the range.
    As long as they would repair it.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Apr 21, 2024 12:17 pm

    This video shows how horribly ineffective the US cluster munitions are... most of them fail to explode. The contrast with Russian cluster munitions where the circle of death is all filled in with exploding munitions is quite a contrast.

    These US munitions were to be banned so they clearly spent no money on keeping them in good storage and their poor reliability has suffered even further:

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Apr 21, 2024 12:33 pm

    Here is the breakdown of the US $61B

    Note how much doesn't go to Ukraine.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Apr 21, 2024 12:46 pm

    Tripolskaya TPP has left the grid permanently if you are asking me ...

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    Post  GarryB Sun Apr 21, 2024 1:09 pm

    Tripolskaya TPP has left the grid permanently if you are asking me ...

    I don't know... a bit of duct tape and it will be fine... pwnd

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Apr 21, 2024 1:11 pm

    Maybe they will use supa dupa tape this time.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Apr 21, 2024 1:35 pm

    Or perhaps they could take the lead from Hollywood of old when they were trying to sell old bag as spring chicken and put a bit of grease on the camera lens to hide the wrinkles and make it look rather less damaged than it is.

    Remember the war they are winning is the propaganda war and that is the war they should focus on because that is their best chance for the win. Rolling Eyes

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Apr 21, 2024 2:55 pm

    Russian tanks with extra fvp protection cage and ER module looks mor elike scfi from 90s Smile

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    Post  Hole Sun Apr 21, 2024 3:00 pm

    more easily taken out by exploding drones than some officials and experts had initially assumed
    No surprise when you consider the level of expertise in the US.  tongue

    Note how much doesn't go to Ukraine.
    Nothing.
    All the money stays in the US.
    Best part is the "cost-matching requirement" for "partners and allies".
    This means the EU/NATO states have to come up with the same ammount of money...
    which will also flow mostly to the US.

    Tripolskaya TPP has left the grid permanently if you are asking me ...
    I suggest this is from an alleged russian airstrike?
    (This is how israeli behavior is reported in the west)

    Maybe they will use supa dupa tape this time.
    Western freedom tape, not evil communist tape.  lol1

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Apr 21, 2024 3:37 pm

    The scale of Russkie running out of tanks can be a bit scary ...

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    Those are only engine blocks that are set for melting, after all the details has been removed because the blocks were unrepairable ...

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Apr 21, 2024 3:55 pm

    GarryB wrote:Or perhaps they could take the lead from Hollywood of old when they were trying to sell old bag as spring chicken and put a bit of grease on the camera lens to hide the wrinkles and make it look rather less damaged than it is.

    Remember the war they are winning is the propaganda war and that is the war they should focus on because that is their best chance for the win.  Rolling Eyes

    So a new shiny roof and all good to go Very Happy

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Apr 21, 2024 4:04 pm

    This might be the time that Russia starts to hit the transport links that this stuff will have to use more thoroughly.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Apr 21, 2024 4:14 pm

    Perhaps a missile into the trees just outside the diplomatic compound in the middle of the might send the right message, probably causing a panic exit of many staff who think they are untouchable.

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    This is the United States Embassy compound in Kiev.

    Imagine Russia slammed a balistic missile into it, killing 7 senior American officials, including 2 Generals, alleging (correctly) that they were coordinating a proxy War from the site, targeting Russian ships and bases?

    WW3

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Apr 21, 2024 4:26 pm

    Another big bomb hits a building complex.

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    Post  kvs Sun Apr 21, 2024 4:29 pm

    Hole wrote:
    Jdamski bombs
    JDAM would love to be as good as UMPK.

    Anyone using such labels is a retard.   "Concord-ski", "Abrams-ski"..."retard-ski".

    As for bombing the US embassy compound. Why bother? To create sympathy for these vermin? Let them huff and puff in impotent rage as
    their proxies fail.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Apr 21, 2024 4:34 pm

    xeno wrote:

    Leopard 2A6 is on its way to Kubinka...

    The next step of the journey

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Apr 21, 2024 4:39 pm

    kvs wrote:
    As for bombing the US embassy compound.  Why bother?   To create sympathy for these vermin?   Let them huff and puff in impotent rage as
    their proxies fail.

    No, its to rattle them. Bring home that they are not invulnerable. Send them down into the bunker, not sleeping in their comfy beds. The US had little regard for diplomatic niceties when they moved against Russian diplomats a few years ago in the US.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Apr 21, 2024 4:39 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    So a new shiny roof and all good to go Very Happy

    The case is, that those pesky Russkie have a habit of making those shiny roofs golden brown.
    And crispy.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Sun Apr 21, 2024 4:42 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Tripolskaya TPP has left the grid permanently if you are asking me ...

    I don't know... a bit of duct tape and it will be fine...   pwnd

    Red Green couldn't get that thing back up and running again with all the duct tape in the world. . . .

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Apr 21, 2024 4:43 pm

    Pretty obvious when you think of it. The stuff is probably in warehouses all over Poland, the Baltics and Romania, left behind when the exercise ended.

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