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    Post  JohninMK Wed May 01, 2024 10:39 am

    ALAMO wrote:
    Missile hit right front of the turret, somewhere on the edge of the maximal frontal armor. Penetration was good enough to reach the magazine and cooked off the ammunition. The tine between the hit and ammo detonation is around 2s.

    Just as everyone was fixated on drones as the ultimate anti tank weapon along comes a demonstration that the Abrams goes the way of all tanks when hit by the King, a very good ATGM.

    No wonder the US and the UK insisted that their tanks be pulled back, the PR is terrible, especially as our wonderful MoD has just puffed up the publicity of the upgrade of the Challenger 2 to Challenger 3 (basically putting a Leopard turret and Trophy APS on it) that is going to cost millions and take years.

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    Post  GarryB Wed May 01, 2024 10:56 am


    They wanted Donbas so much, that in all the Minsk Agreements the entire area was to return to Ukraine.
    And so much, that in Istambul peace talks, it's status was to be decided in a direct negotiations between Putin and Cocainsky. However, territories were not excluded from the security guarantees, which suggested clearly that it's status remains negotiable. Not like the Crimean.

    To be fair though that was before those regions voted to join the Russian federation.

    After that vote I doubt Putin would allow them to be under Kievs control again.

    Kiev abused them to the point where they would rather identify as Russian.


    No wonder the US and the UK insisted that their tanks be pulled back, the PR is terrible, especially as our wonderful MoD has just puffed up the publicity of the upgrade of the Challenger 2 to Challenger 3 (basically putting a Leopard turret and Trophy APS on it) that is going to cost millions and take years.

    The sad thing is that the bean counters will say the time of the tank is over and instead of spending 10 million dollars on each tank they can spend $20,000 on a drone that is inferior to a Russian model that costs less than $500.

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    Post  Hole Wed May 01, 2024 12:11 pm

    Ammunition for Leopard 2 tanks.
    There are still a few left? 

    Missile hit right front of the turret, somewhere on the edge of the maximal frontal armor. Penetration was good enough to reach the magazine and cooked off the ammunition. 
    As seen in Yemen.


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    Post  ALAMO Wed May 01, 2024 12:43 pm

    [quote="GarryB"]

    To be fair though that was before those regions voted to join the Russian federation.
    .

    Correct. Referendum was organised only after Istambul peace talks failure.
    Till then, it was an open case.
    Honestly, I was kind of surprised about really modest Russian demands back in March 22.
    An interesting conclusion - it was de facto all about the Budapest Memorandum, which was calling Ukraine a neutral state.
    Nothing more, nothing less.

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    Post  nomadski Wed May 01, 2024 3:51 pm

    The side that is right . You help them . It is the side that wants to live in peace and coexistence with others . You say something , they might benefit . But the wrong side  will hear this too ! Well I have no access to private Ears . Can not be helped . Then how does a heat seeking air to air missile work ? Does it home in on the Rocket motor or the Rocket plume ? I heard some devices are sensitive enough to tell the difference of 0.5 deg C ! What if AA or SAM could follow the plume ? The plume from an ATACMS ? Follow it to point of launch ? This one is static .

    Shocked

    Edit : present long range SAM can be configured to follow plume at parallel course ( ballistic ) and plot point of origin by computer , and using same IF sensor find launcher ......evasives can be smoothed out of the equation .....no escape !


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    Post  Hole Wed May 01, 2024 4:27 pm

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    Post  Karl Haushofer Wed May 01, 2024 5:38 pm

    https://twitter.com/DevanaUkraine/status/1785687200870416643

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    Post  ALAMO Wed May 01, 2024 5:47 pm

    Not sure if you have marked that.
    Ukros whined that Excalibur efficiency dropped to 6% - SIX - because of the Russkie GPS jamming systems.  
    Wunderwafen workers as expected ...

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    Post  lyle6 Wed May 01, 2024 5:56 pm

    Prolly should have used dishwasher and washing machine chips. Heard those are resistant to EMF second only to vacuum tubes. Razz

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    Post  Belisarius Wed May 01, 2024 6:27 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:https://twitter.com/DevanaUkraine/status/1785687200870416643

    1- Trees fully leafed, so this happened last summer and obviously it wasn't ATACAMS, ukies repeating footage? I've never seen it before Rolling Eyes

    2- Shadow of soldiers pointing in different directions, why? Laughing

    3- Second and third attacks missed the target.

    4- The aftermath shows soldiers running so not all of them were casualties.

    5- Karl once again showing what an idiot he is by spewing Ukie propaganda.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed May 01, 2024 7:50 pm

    A true Ostwall it is indeed ...

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    It ceased to be funny anymore ...

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    Post  Isos Wed May 01, 2024 8:01 pm

    Belisarius wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:https://twitter.com/DevanaUkraine/status/1785687200870416643

    1- Trees fully leafed, so this happened last summer and obviously it wasn't ATACAMS, ukies repeating footage? I've never seen it before Rolling Eyes

    2- Shadow of soldiers pointing in different directions, why? Laughing

    3- Second and third attacks missed the target.

    4- The aftermath shows soldiers running so not all of them were casualties.

    5- Karl once again showing what an idiot he is by spewing Ukie propaganda.

    The only idiot here is the one who gathered so many people in one place knowing that all Nato satelittes are looking for such targets and provided ukrainians with weapons able to hit such targets.

    Nato satelitte + quick attack is really dangerous. They can hit within minutes pretty hard.

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Wed May 01, 2024 8:21 pm




    NATO satellite and/or an inside informer?



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    Post  Karl Haushofer Wed May 01, 2024 8:24 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Belisarius wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:https://twitter.com/DevanaUkraine/status/1785687200870416643

    1- Trees fully leafed, so this happened last summer and obviously it wasn't ATACAMS, ukies repeating footage? I've never seen it before Rolling Eyes

    2- Shadow of soldiers pointing in different directions, why? Laughing

    3- Second and third attacks missed the target.

    4- The aftermath shows soldiers running so not all of them were casualties.

    5- Karl once again showing what an idiot he is by spewing Ukie propaganda.

    The only idiot here is the one who gathered so many people in one place knowing that all Nato satelittes are looking for such targets and provided ukrainians with weapons able to hit such targets.

    Nato satelitte + quick attack is really dangerous. They can hit within minutes pretty hard.

    Russians are really slow learners.

    And Russia has still not shot down any of the NATO drones over the Black Sea. Quite remarkable.

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    Post  nomadski Wed May 01, 2024 8:38 pm

    Genuine footage ? Difficult to tell these days with AI artwork . Problems : If one hit accurate , then why two miss ? Makes no sense . Unless done for effect  . Also size of area of explosions too big for Rocket warhead ? I 👀 problems with this . The soldiers look  identical ?


    Exclamation

    If genuinely , I remember the west provides frag warheads , then advance in armoured vehicles and have trench digging machines in advance with Tanks , then soldiers jump into trench . Or simply crater forward area with Artillery , soldier jump into crater . I remember mentioning before .

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    Post  Belisarius Wed May 01, 2024 8:45 pm


    The only idiot here is the one who gathered so many people in one place  

    And what do you suggest?
    Prohibit any concentration of manpower above squad level?
    Good luck fighting a war with that.

    Russians are really slow learners.

    And Russia has still not shot down any of the NATO drones over the Black Sea. Quite remarkable.

    And you continue to not address any comments questioning the nonsense you write here.Quite remarkable.

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed May 01, 2024 8:59 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:RT hosts a few vids of the trophy Abrams getting its shit pushed in at Berdyansk Berdychi  Laughing

    Short version.  I though only inferior ruskie junk tanks could have their propellent charges cook off???  Twisted Evil


    Long version with good shots of its as-captured condition.  I like to think there is a Ukronazi in their somewhere, but i guess we'll have to wait until they sift out the debris  Razz

    https://mf.b37mrtl.ru/files/2024.04/662f8a4885f54063955e1058.mp4

    source

    This is excellent video platform, can we switch to this instead of that Telegram dogshit?




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    Post  Kiko Wed May 01, 2024 9:13 pm

    Exhibition of captured equipment in Moscow angers the West, by Oleg Isaychenko for VZGLYAD. 05.01.2024.

    Experts pointed to the military and ideological significance of the exhibition of captured equipment on Poklonnaya Hill.

    The exhibition of captured equipment, which opened on May 1 in Moscow, haunted the Western press throughout the past week. Foreign analysts argued that Russia was trying to humiliate NATO. Russian experts are confident: on Poklonnaya Hill, citizens can not only see with their own eyes the successes of their own army, but also feel involved in the country’s future victory in the Northern Military District.

    A long-awaited exhibition of captured Western equipment has opened in Victory Park on Poklonnaya Hill in the capital. As the Ministry of Defense clarified in its Telegram channel , the vehicles were shot down by the Russian military in the fields of the Northern Military District, including in the settlements of Rabotino and Malaya Tokmachka in the Zaporozhye region and near Avdeevka in the Donetsk People's Republic.

    In another message , the military department explains that the exhibition is divided into several thematic zones and is accompanied by information stands about the manufacturing countries, tactical and technical characteristics, as well as the places and circumstances of the seizure of equipment by Russian military personnel.

    Among other things, visitors will be able to see the American Abrams tank, the German Leopard-2, German-made Marder infantry fighting vehicles, American Bradley infantry fighting vehicles, etc. Access to the exhibition is open until June 1.

    By the way, even before the official start of the exhibition, it caused a serious stir, especially in the Western press. In particular, the online resource Defense TV expressed concerns that studying the Marder 1 A3, Bradley M2A2 and CV 9040 will allow Russian engineers to familiarize themselves with advanced Western military technologies and design principles, as well as develop countermeasures that increase the survivability of Russian armored vehicles against similar threats.

    At the same time, Moscow will be able to create new weapons systems designed to combat Western equipment, or improve existing models of armored vehicles in service with the Russian army, the authors of the publication add.

    The British Daily Express even decided that the exhibition of captured alliance weapons is a kind of “mockery” of the Russian government at the West, since it opened a few days after the United States and Britain agreed to allocate additional billions for military assistance to Kiev.

    As experts note, the indignation of Kyiv's foreign sponsors is not surprising. They invested too much money to weaken Russia in any way, and advertised almost all of their weapons as invincible. In fact, the vaunted equipment turned out to be damaged, and only a small part of the trophies of the Russian army is presented on Poklonnaya Hill.

    True, even this small share cost the West dearly. According to estimates by Andrei Lyubchikov, a senior researcher at the Central Museum of the Armed Forces, the total cost of the presented samples reaches billions of dollars.

    Against this background, the official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry, Maria Zakharova, invited Western diplomats to the exhibition. “I think the diplomatic corps will be interested in learning how the collective West is destroying peace and security on the planet,” she wrote in her Telegram channel . The exhibition will also be of interest to those who still believe in “Western values” and do not see the “hybrid aggression launched by NATO” against Russia and its population, the diplomat added.

    “Exhibitions of this kind were held during the Great Patriotic War. Citizens were shown damaged German equipment. This allowed those who worked in the rear to realize that their high-quality and dedicated work was bringing real results,” recalled military expert Alexey Leonkov.

    According to the speaker, it so happened historically that the enemy, when attacking Russia, advertised its equipment as invincible and invulnerable. However, in reality it turned out that this was not the case. “And the demonstration of captured samples again proves that no matter how vaunted the weapons of the opposing side are, our army will always find ways to counter,” he explained.

    In general, the analyst is convinced that the evacuation and collection of captured equipment on the battlefield is of the utmost technical importance. “It’s one thing when we have some theoretical calculations at our disposal. And it’s completely different when our specialists can examine in detail the vulnerabilities of machines,” explains the expert.

    “Next, we can make adjustments both to the tactics of destroying enemy equipment and use this data to improve our own weapons.

    Electronics are also of considerable value. For example, it is worth carefully studying communications in order to know which electronic warfare systems are most effective in a particular conflict,” the interlocutor detailed.

    Finally, the presence of visual aids will make the training of young military personnel better, Leonkov is sure. “They will be able to see the equipment live, figure out how and with what it can be destroyed. And all these prospects are extremely important for Russia, but at the same time seriously worry the West,” he emphasized.

    A similar point of view was previously voiced by military correspondent Evgeniy Poddubny. In his Telegram channel , he wrote that the demonstration of damaged foreign armored vehicles directly indicates NATO’s participation in hostilities in Ukraine.

    According to the military correspondent, it is especially offensive to Germany, which, in addition to “phantom pains after defeat in the Great Patriotic War,” also has a purely commercial interest. As Poddubny writes, after the destruction of the first Leopard in the Northern Military District, the shares of German military concerns fell noticeably, and the exhibition in Moscow will not add to their growth.

    Poddubny also believes that Western experts may be worried that the “advanced technologies” of foreign military-industrial complexes are now in the hands of Russian engineers. “A detailed study of Western armored vehicles will make it possible to formulate effective countermeasures and increase the survivability of Russian armored vehicles,” the military correspondent noted.

    “The high interest in the exhibition of captured equipment is explained by the common desire of our citizens to quickly see Russia’s victory on the fields of the Northern Military District.

    After all, the overwhelming majority of Russians, in one way or another, work for this victory every day, perhaps without even realizing it,” adds Senator Konstantin Dolgov. “On Poklonnaya Hill we see clear evidence of our progress in the context of carrying out the tasks of the special operation. On the eve of May 9, this is especially important. And the interest among the younger generation is of particular joy. A true manifestation of patriotism,” the interlocutor emphasizes.

    And in this sense, such a strong reaction from the West to the exhibition is not surprising, the speaker is convinced. “They have already invested too much money and effort to inflict what they call a strategic defeat on Russia. But there is still no result. And any manifestation of the consolidation of Russian society around the president’s course seriously frightens them,” explains the senator.

    “The West is beginning to realize that their defeat is inevitable. While, of course, inertia is working, Washington continues to push through its policies. But sooner or later changes will begin. And any attempts to contain Russia or defeat us will continue to result only in our victories,” Dolgov concluded.

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    Post  Hole Wed May 01, 2024 9:59 pm

    A true Ostwall it is indeed ...
    What you can get for a few Billions. Amazing.  lol1

    to familiarize themselves with advanced Western military technologies and design principles
    Suspect
    Not much to see here.

    Northern Military District
    Rolling Eyes
    F...ing translation.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed May 01, 2024 10:23 pm

    Hole wrote:
    What you can get for a few Billions. Amazing.  lol1

    One of those thugs made a Freudian mistake live on TV when he said "we have stolen 1bln for fortifications".

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    Post  ucmvulcan Wed May 01, 2024 10:58 pm

    Odin of Ossetia wrote:


    NATO satellite and/or an inside informer?



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    That's a pretty slow satellite NATO has. Unless Ukraine has a much further south latitude than I thought. In the midwestern United States trees are not yet in full summer foilage. Given that Ukraine has a similar latitude to Southern Canada I would be very surprised if those trees there were in full foilsge this time of year. Carl's Jr Hardees, you make a pretty good bacon cheeseburger but you don't know jack about squat in regards to Ukraine. Of course, go on ahead and continue posting pathetic pics from last summer.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Wed May 01, 2024 10:59 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    Belisarius wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:https://twitter.com/DevanaUkraine/status/1785687200870416643

    1- Trees fully leafed, so this happened last summer and obviously it wasn't ATACAMS, ukies repeating footage? I've never seen it before Rolling Eyes

    2- Shadow of soldiers pointing in different directions, why? Laughing

    3- Second and third attacks missed the target.

    4- The aftermath shows soldiers running so not all of them were casualties.

    5- Karl once again showing what an idiot he is by spewing Ukie propaganda.

    The only idiot here is the one who gathered so many people in one place knowing that all Nato satelittes are looking for such targets and provided ukrainians with weapons able to hit such targets.

    Nato satelitte + quick attack is really dangerous. They can hit within minutes pretty hard.

    Russians are really slow learners.

    And Russia has still not shot down any of the NATO drones over the Black Sea. Quite remarkable.
    And your proof of this private nazi prick?

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    Post  ucmvulcan Wed May 01, 2024 11:01 pm

    ALAMO wrote:A true Ostwall it is indeed ...

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    It ceased to be funny anymore ...

    Some 6 year old playing war could take that position in 5 minutes with his cap gun rifle.

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    According to one version, hangars at the Shkolny airfield are on fire.

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