Russian special military operation in Ukraine #56

VARGR198 wrote:

https://twitter.com/Alex_Oloyede2/status/1789235651835019650

https://twitter.com/Zlatti_71/status/1789235258769952827

Looks like the 2nd drone did some damage to the turret traverse mechanism though. They survived but the tank is probably needing some time in the shop.

Julian is sad which makes me happy

ahmedfire wrote:Julian is sad which makes me happy

At least Jihadi Julian admits ukrainian defeats. That is one good thing about him. And it has brought him many haters from nafo crowd who only want to read good news.

ahmedfire wrote:Julian is sad which makes me happy

Even if tried, Jihad Julian is incapable to mark the scale of events. He would have been eaten alive by his crowdfunded mob doing so
To begin with, the forefront of the offensive operations in that direction is 50 km wide, not 20
The number of habituated areas is more than a dozen.
Really funny to observe, how they struggle to build up some narrative closing to objective one, after years of continuous lies. And it is not about them being objective reporters, but the fact that they can't sustain the lies anymore.
Hilarious.

Ukies are redeploying forces from Chasov Yar to Kharkov - just as Russians want them to.

https://t.me/frontbird/9177

Another Buk system.

Ukraine brings three brigades to the borders of the Kharkiv region. It is doubtful that the Russians will gain much more territory. Are Russian forces in this region too weak for a larger offensive and a buffer zone?

https://t.me/stranaua/154028
Heavy shelling of Belgorod. The entire block collapsed  

Arrow wrote:Ukraine brings three brigades to the borders of the Kharkiv region. It is doubtful that the Russians will gain much more territory. Are Russian forces in this region too weak for a larger offensive and a buffer zone?

https://t.me/stranaua/154028
Heavy shelling of Belgorod. The entire block collapsed  

Russia should start evacuating Belgorod already. At least children should be evacuated.

If "entire block" was collapsed then there must be dozens of civilian casualties?

The downside of Putin's extreme cautiousness and restraint is that Ukraine can murder any amount of Russian civilians while knowing that Russia will not respond in kind.

It happened in Moscow theater terror attack (which Ukraine was behind) and it happened today in Belgorod.

If Ukraine knows that Russia would respond with force they would think twice and likely opt not to commit acts of terror.

Karl Haushofer wrote:The downside of Putin's extreme cautiousness and restraint is that Ukraine can murder any amount of Russian civilians while knowing that Russia will not respond in kind.

It happened in Moscow theater terror attack (which Ukraine was behind) and it happened today in Belgorod.

If Ukraine knows that Russia would respond with force they would think twice and likely opt not to commit acts of terror.

If the Ukrainian government cared about the lives of its citizens it wouldn't have prosecuted a war with Russia in the first place.

lancelot wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:The downside of Putin's extreme cautiousness and restraint is that Ukraine can murder any amount of Russian civilians while knowing that Russia will not respond in kind.

It happened in Moscow theater terror attack (which Ukraine was behind) and it happened today in Belgorod.

If Ukraine knows that Russia would respond with force they would think twice and likely opt not to commit acts of terror.

If the Ukrainian government cared about the lives of its citizens it wouldn't have prosecuted a war with Russia in the first place.

Ukrainian government does not care about eastern Ukrainian citizens but it does care about its own elite in Kiev and western Ukraine. Start hitting residential areas in Kiev (where the rich elite lives) and Lvov as a response and Ukraine will stop these attacks.

Of course this will never happen because Putin wants to be a saint, but this will cost Russia lives.

are advancing on Lyptsi which is only 20 km from Kharkov!

Weekend. Weather is nice. Nothing else to do... 

Tu 22M3 launch Kh 32.

Looks like one of Musks Starships. Big difference: the Kh-32 only explodes after reaching the target.

how they struggle to build up some narrative closing to objective one, after years of continuous lies. 

Russian Army lost at least 125% of all men and tanks during the past two years.
Has no missiles left and needs ammo from NK.
But now the Russians took a larger area in one day than the Banderites in the greatest counter-counter-offensive in
the history.
Soon some heads will explode due to all those lies meeting reality.

Lapain wrote: 
I sure hope Ukies will finally wake up from this existential nightmare and decide for themselves what is best for this young nation, which by nature is tied to the Russian ensemble as long as there is Russian blood on its roots.  

The only point of 404 to exist is to be anti Russian, since a second state on the same Russian native lands and people can only be an antagonist and survive by forging a competing national idea, based on the differences and not in the similarities with Russia. Otherwise, such second state would be outright superfluous and contrary to elementary logic. Even more critically, the diverging views and historical justifications inevitably lead Ukraine to claim for them other Russian lands, resources and achievements, since their history is so intertwined, that you cannot manipulate one without affecting also the other. Once this is understood, and Russian leadership indeed has, the solution is pretty obvious.

And BTW, there is no Ukrainian nation, the required preconditions are not present among the population put under the same roof there to coalesce into a single nation naturally, while the young state artificially created under Western auspices has not managed to devise a viable basis for that to happen, other that resorting to the Banderite ideology, which implies the falsification of history and mass ethnic cleansing, which in turn reduces their own resource basis, instead of growing it. This is, for all effects, a fake nation not even the nationals give a damn about, from the passive masses to the oligarchs that have been busy bleeding the country dry for the last 30 years. The only ones that care are the nazis, but for them to implement their national idea, they need to get rid of most of the population, which is not exactly a viable approach either...

Arrow wrote:Ukraine brings three brigades to the borders of the Kharkiv region. It is doubtful that the Russians will gain much more territory. Are Russian forces in this region too weak for a larger offensive and a buffer zone? 

Still not getting it, are you? To give a hint, we have jumped from 1000+ daily eliminated ukie soldiers for many months to 1500+ in the last days...

It would be a mistake, for the Russian ideological mindset, all what these people are are misguided Russian brothers unaware of their sins.

The brain washing is not just Russia is bad and they did this to you, but it is also that they will lie and say it is all our fault and your fault so don't listen to anything they say.

Honestly taking Ukrainian soldiers to the captured areas of Ukraine to see what the Russians have done to rebuild those areas as prisoners will do more than anything they could say to these guys... a picture is worth a thousand words so take them to Crimea... Kiev claims Russia has destroyed the place and it is in economic ruin and everyone is oppressed... let them see the truth... expose one lie and let them see other regions that Russia occupy... the fact that the Russians treat their prisoners with respect and do not water board or simply murder them like Kievs forces do... and many of them will have seen that for themselves... more lies proven to be lies... pretty soon they are going to realise which side has been lying and which side offers them and their families a better future...

I sure hope Ukies will finally wake up from this existential nightmare and decide for themselves what is best for this young nation, which by nature is tied to the Russian ensemble as long as there is Russian blood on its roots.

That is the dilemma for Russia, the Ukraine and the Ukrainian people have to open their eyes and work this out for themselves.... as the west feeds money and bombs and ammo and weapons and will fight to the last Russian... and listen to them... they claim when Russia defeats the Ukraine they are next so they are feeding Ukrainians into the fire so they don't have to fight for themselves... they are cowards of the worst kind because the fight they are fighting to avoid does not exist anywhere except in their heads.

In one breath the west says Russia is weak and vulnerable and Ukraine can defeat them, and then they say Russia is not only powerful enough to take out the entire country of the Ukraine, but that they are then going to take on all of HATO.

The irony is that this is likely true because as a response to Russia defeating the Ukraine it is very very very likely that HATO will respond by cutting land and sea access to Kaliningrad and lay siege to that piece of Russia... which is about the only way to make Russians want to fight the Baltic states to get access to their own territory... and of course the west will claim that was proof all along that Russia was aggressive and wants to invade Europe.

A self fulfilling prophesy.

I hope they nuke those fuckers if they are stupid enough to try that.

At least Jihadi Julian admits ukrainian defeats. That is one good thing about him.

And he gets endless abuse about it from his audience of hard core nazis.

Even if tried, Jihad Julian is incapable to mark the scale of events. He would have been eaten alive by his crowdfunded mob doing so Laughing
To begin with, the forefront of the offensive operations in that direction is 50 km wide, not 20 Laughing

But obviously it is the shortage of ammo and weapons that is the problem and what the Russians are taking advantage of... the Russians aren't stronger... the US has made Kievs forces weaker temporarily... when they get their weapons and ammo they will stop them and they will lose momentum and then they will start pushing them back again...

Or not.

Ukraine brings three brigades to the borders of the Kharkiv region.

Ukraine creates a target rich environment for the side that has air power and artillery in abundance... not to mention drones...

And the places these forces moved from are now weaker and more vulnerable to attack...

Starting to run out of these fortified villiages and moving towards less defendable regions that wont require 3,000kg glide bombs to deal with... not that they will stop making and using them of course...

The downside of Putin's extreme cautiousness and restraint is that Ukraine can murder any amount of Russian civilians while knowing that Russia will not respond in kind.

Nazis are going to be nazis... collect evidence and prosecute after the conflict. Any soldiers involved will not dare try to pretend they were just following orders... that excuse does not work any more.

Kiev making their troops commit such war crimes is more likely to increase the numbers surrendering and likely even lead to many choosing to change sides.

Evil is evil and evil is obvious.

Ukrainian government does not care about eastern Ukrainian citizens but it does care about its own elite in Kiev and western Ukraine. Start hitting residential areas in Kiev (where the rich elite lives) and Lvov as a response and Ukraine will stop these attacks.

Start acting like their enemy and ignore the rules of war and what are they fighting for?

Of course this will never happen because Putin wants to be a saint, but this will cost Russia lives.

Putin is a good honest man who is fair and decent. Zelensky is not even a good clown that can't be trusted because he has ordered terrorist attacks all through this conflict.

Still not getting it, are you? To give a hint, we have jumped from 1000+ daily eliminated ukie soldiers for many months to 1500+ in the last days...

Indeed going from 1,000 dead to 1,500 dead per day at a time when they are short of trained men... if even a quarter of those men are trained men then they are men they can't afford to be losing...

Arrow wrote:Ukraine brings three brigades to the borders of the Kharkiv region. It is doubtful that the Russians will gain much more territory. Are Russian forces in this region too weak for a larger offensive and a buffer zone?
Heavy shelling of Belgorod. The entire block collapsed  

The Russians have vastly more clout in reserve - emphasis on VASTLY MORE. These three brigades will very soon find themselves caught in a rat trap.

The dynamical situation of a longer movement and encirclement . So the Orcs move troops from the centre to the North ? And Russians don't ? Ah , I hear you say , but they do ! So is a small pincer and encirclement better or a larger one ? This all depends on : The number of available troops ( small encirclements needs fewer troops ) . The range and type of available weapons ( to reach the centre of encircled area , larger encirclements need more expensive longer range weapons ) .

Of course the ideal situation would be to have as many enemy troops encircled in as small an area as possible , with few or no weapons , especially long range of heavy ones . Destroying the Bridges on Deniper will form one side of the encirclement . The more the Orcs loose longer range weapons , the more efficient the bigger net . And vice versa . Evenly matched sides , can make no effective use of encirclements .

TMA1 wrote:Got some shills coming to the party to try and spin the narrative for this offensive. Nice!

I think we are in the cannot be spun regime now. That is one of the reasons that NATzO deciders are upset. Coping and seething from randos
on the internet will not alter reality.

I hope Russia does not waste men taking large cities. These cities will fall if besieged. They do not have the resources to hold out for years
and they are not going to starve to death for the Kiev regime. The people there know that Russians are not going to mass murder them.

GarryB wrote:

Nazis are going to be nazis... collect evidence and prosecute after the conflict. Any soldiers involved will not dare try to pretend they were just following orders... that excuse does not work any more.

Kiev making their troops commit such war crimes is more likely to increase the numbers surrendering and likely even lead to many choosing to change sides.

Evil is evil and evil is obvious.

GarryB wrote:
Start acting like their enemy and ignore the rules of war and what are they fighting for?

Unfortunately history has shown that virtuosity and goodness rarely prevails or wins wars. Entire tribes and even nations have been wiped out by more predatory group of people (tribes, nations). War-like Mongols created havoc around entire Asia in the Middle Ages, and wiped out entire peaceful nations in Asia.

And of course the West enslaved almost the rest of the world since 1500s.

Where would India be today without British rule today? India was once the richest country in the world. Now they live in shit and slums. And where is Britain today? Is it still not among the wealthiest countries in the world? How exactly was Britain punished for its actions? I cannot see it.

Africa today is still suffering under neo-colonialism of the West. How were the slave-traders and their ancestors punished for their actions? The West is still the richest and the most powerful while Africa is poor and weak.

The New York bankers financed Communism in Russia and took advantage of the naivety and incompetence of the Tsarist leadership of the early 1900s Russia. Why? They wanted to remove Russia as a competitor for a century and succeeded in that. They were more ruthless than Russia was.

We can go on and on...

At this moment Russia cannot afford to be soft anymore. Unfortunately it has to be more like the West if it wants to win this battle.

I think that Russia generally should not target civilians, but if Russian civilians are purposely targeted and killed by Ukraine then the only appropriate response for Russia is a tit for tat. And even better ten tits for one tat.

Mir wrote:

Arrow wrote:Ukraine brings three brigades to the borders of the Kharkiv region. It is doubtful that the Russians will gain much more territory. Are Russian forces in this region too weak for a larger offensive and a buffer zone?
Heavy shelling of Belgorod. The entire block collapsed  

The Russians have vastly more clout in reserve - emphasis on VASTLY MORE. These three brigades will very soon find themselves caught in a rat trap.

The equivalent of an armored cavalry regiment is what took the initial villages

They are screening for an army corps

Which has not committed to battle yet

https://t.me/ZOV_Voevoda/13079

Kraken regiment apparently redeployed to Kharkov.