Russian special military operation in Ukraine #56

I haven't been paying much attention. 

Is the battle for Kharkov on ?

Backman wrote:I haven't been paying much attention. 

Is the battle for Kharkov on ?

The battle for the Kharkov oblast? Yes.

Backman wrote:I haven't been paying much attention. 

Is the battle for Kharkov on ?

No its not, this is a an operation meant to establish a small buffer zone and possibly pull reserves out from other areas, Russia only has about 50k troops in play here, thats not enough to seize khrakov.

So your going to see bitch and moaning from pro russians on why Kharkov wasn't taken and you will see pro ukies gloating "we stopped their offensive hehehe" when the objective was never to move that far into kharkov oblast just up to at most like 12km

armchair experts and youtubers will be hyping this move up to be something it never was

There is not 130k man, you are pulling these numbers from imaginary land.

But if you want to insist on this fine, where is the proof. Because all sources say 50k

Even if there are only 40k Russians in the field it doesn't matter. What matters is the 1500 meat going through the grinder each and every day.
Who you're going to call? Ghost Busters?

Karl Haushofer wrote:The downside of Putin's extreme cautiousness and restraint is that Ukraine can murder any amount of Russian civilians while knowing that Russia will not respond in kind.

It happened in Moscow theater terror attack (which Ukraine was behind) and it happened today in Belgorod.

If Ukraine knows that Russia would respond with force they would think twice and likely opt not to commit acts of terror.

Putin is not gonna slaughter Ukrainian civvies just because the AFU kills Russians. It gains them nothing tactically and makes the post war situation more difficult.

Mir wrote:Even if there are only 40k Russians in the field it doesn't matter. What matters is the 1500 meat going through the grinder each and every day.
Who you're going to call? Ghost Busters?

your assuming there will be 1500 a day....the start of operations are always the most bloddy and the ends the middle part is where it slows down a lot

Arkanghelsk wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:There is not 130k man, you are pulling these numbers from imaginary land.

But if you want to insist on this fine, where is the proof. Because all sources say 50k

Ukrainian ones say that, and it references Kharkov

Remember that prior to recent announcements they said there were over 100k

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-build-east-nearly-125-084000917.html

So my guess is that an army corps will conduct Kharkov operation

And the other 1 or 2 will move in Sumy where villages were evacuated on Russian side and possibly Chernigov/Kherson/Pokrovsk depending where Ukraine is tied down

you really citing yahoo as a source to me yeah that 140k number includes the boarder guards, National guard etc all of that stuff, you got your info wrong

Arrow wrote:The Russians’ attempts to break through the defenses have been stopped,” Syrsky.

Well then that settles it, the war is lost.  I have never known Ukraine to lie.   Its only a matter of hours befor Moscow falls and we all have babushka brand canned preserve air defense weapons sponsored in part by the ghost of chicken kiev over Bucha to thank for it, and remember Marioupol will never fall.

Also lets see where we are in the cycle of war propaganda

-The town/province will never fall
- The town/province is still being contested (we are here)
-The town/province is insignificant
-Help! We're winning, give us money
-The town/province will never fall

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Mir wrote:Even if there are only 40k Russians in the field it doesn't matter. What matters is the 1500 meat going through the grinder each and every day.
Who you're going to call? Ghost Busters?

your assuming there will be 1500 a day....the start of operations are always the most bloddy and the ends the middle part is where it slows down a lot

why wouldn't there be? Remember, Russia's whole MO for the past two years has been take a town or two, dig in, let the Ukrainians come to them, break them, take another town or two, dig in, make Ukraine come to them, break them, repeat.  Sometimes Ukraine takes a town back but the obiect is not the town but to put hohols in bodybags.  No hohols feetilizer, and no sunflowers.  The goal is not yet Kharkov city, though that may be sooner than we think. but Kharkov province.  They are going to make Ukraine pay for its pr stunts against the people of Belgorod and Kursk.

After being caught by surprise and completely routed, GURs Yusov now assures everybody that the situation is under control and he urges the rapidly advancing Russians to stop and surrender. Seriously, on UNIAN now.

Well, worth a shot I guess?

ucmvulcan wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Mir wrote:Even if there are only 40k Russians in the field it doesn't matter. What matters is the 1500 meat going through the grinder each and every day.
Who you're going to call? Ghost Busters?

your assuming there will be 1500 a day....the start of operations are always the most bloddy and the ends the middle part is where it slows down a lot

why wouldn't there be? Remember, Russia's whole MO for the past two years has been take a town or two, dig in, let the Ukrainians come to them, break them, take another town or two, dig in, make Ukraine come to them, break them, repeat.  Sometimes Ukraine takes a town back but the obiect is not the town but to put hohols in bodybags.  No hohols feetilizer, and no sunflowers.  The goal is not yet Kharkov city, though that may be sooner than we think. but Kharkov province.  They are going to make Ukraine pay for its pr stunts against the people of Belgorod and Kursk.

Yes but that also relies upon the ukies attacking you in mass and they haven't been doing that these days, they are focused on defensive tactics not offensive ones, they might try to retake a small village with a small amount of men here and there but eh.

So that number seems bloated to me on just the khakrov front.

I do agree with you the goal is not to seize kharkov here, it never was it was just to buffer and try to pull some reserves out.

The problem is now many people will take this offensive out of context and thats already happening

Arrow wrote:The Russians’ attempts to break through the defenses have been stopped,” Syrsky.

Russia is not going to Kharkov anyway with this group of soldiers.

Arkanghelsk wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

you really citing yahoo as a source to me yeah that 140k number includes the boarder guards, National guard etc all of that stuff, you got your info wrong

Yahoo is citing new voice of Ukraine which itself is citing Ilya Yevlash the spokesman for Khortitsa group in Kharkov

So it's pretty much the same sources your citing

Only that it was from March, now that the situation is much worse they try to downplay everything to prevent a collapse of morale

Not that it matters, they surrender in droves

I don't know if they took her qoute of context or something else, Yahoo isn't exactly the most reliable site, they often miss qoute things etc. So yeah Imma put a question mark next to anything Yahoo.

Also the point is you made a giant assumption by assuming it was a 140k offensive force when in reality it was all the defensive troops and what not russia had there a rough estimate sure.

but your numbers where wrong

SeigSoloyvov wrote:
your assuming there will be 1500 a day....the start of operations are always the most bloddy and the ends the middle part is where it slows down a lot

Again...even if it's a thousand a day (consistently more than that for days now) and you calculate the number of troops available in a single brigade, you should realize that they will be finished in a matter of days.

No problem - you will say - we will just call in the reserves.

Yeah right!

ucmvulcan wrote:
-Help! We're winning, give us money

This.

Mir wrote:
No problem - you will say - we will just call in the reserves.

I have just met their reserves.
Sorry folks, they will be busy for the next 2 weeks reshaping my backyard.
Go and find some others.