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    Post  Hole Sun May 05, 2024 12:03 pm

    Ukrainian officials are throwing out and arresting Christian churchgoers celebrating Orthodox Easter in churches
    So much for freedom of religion in the best "democracy" money can buy (in Europe).  Rolling Eyes

    The man has a point
    I doubt that Syrsky has much to say.
    Decisions are made by Americans and Brits.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sun May 05, 2024 12:17 pm

    The man has a point
    I doubt that Syrsky has much to say.
    Decisions are made by Americans and Brits.
    Maybe, but Zaluzhny was trying to resist the decisions (or at least he was advertising he was doing that) from Zelenski (actually American and Brits mandates, as you point out) of sending most Ukrainian men as cannon fodder, while Syrsky is enabling those plans.

    Actually Syrsky was also responsible of some bad defeats against Novorossian forces in 2014-2015.

    If all of this was actually a Russian plan, then it is one of the best military accomplishments of Russia since 1991.

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    Post  higurashihougi Sun May 05, 2024 12:19 pm

    https://www.facebook.com/K01Archive/posts/pfbid02jSQBFNSr7aFsMytoka1jq6NKu7i94qh8NBtTVpMcvYQc2EMj5oeXj2LaaqGrP69Kl

    A female Russian warrior standing beside her war trophy, an Ukrainian Marder.

    The woman volunteered to fight in the frontline since 2022. At the moment, her task is piloting FPV drone ammunition and she contributed to the liberation of Avdeevka. The Marder in the picture is her war trophy, it was defeated by the FPV drones controlled by the girl.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun May 05, 2024 1:29 pm

    Hole wrote:
    Decisions are made by Americans and Brits.

    So in short, by two brilliant world top class military schools, that have lost 99% of wars they participated in the last 80 years or so, right?

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    Post  ucmvulcan Sun May 05, 2024 1:32 pm

    VARGR198 wrote:

    This is bloody barbarism and of course nowhere to be found in the western corporate state controlled "free" press.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun May 05, 2024 2:01 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:A female Russian warrior standing beside her war trophy, an Ukrainian Marder.

    The woman volunteered to fight in the frontline since 2022. At the moment, her task is piloting FPV drone ammunition and she contributed to the liberation of Avdeevka. The Marder in the picture is her war trophy, it was defeated by the FPV drones controlled by the girl.

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    What is her medal?
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    Post  ALAMO Sun May 05, 2024 2:08 pm

    Order of courage.

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    Post  Isos Sun May 05, 2024 4:06 pm

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    sepheronx wrote:Home on jamming is like 60's tech. Soviets had it and so didWon US.  Home on jamming GPS is just similar concept.

    Won't they just make sure a Pantsir is nearby?

    Or just a dumb 100$ antenna used with the expensive electronics of the jammer 100m away in a safe place.

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    Post  Hole Sun May 05, 2024 4:40 pm

    A female Russian warrior standing beside her war trophy, an Ukrainian Marder.
    Woke is dead.  lol1

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    Post  GarryB Sun May 05, 2024 4:49 pm

    Question : At what point do we hit GPS satellite , instead of playing with drones ? Serious question .

    At what point does a Russian cruise missile fly into the entrance of the channel tunnel and see how far down it gets before it runs in to something and explodes...

    This one is said to have been destroyed by a Krasnopol.

    Doesn't seem likely... that just looks like a turret bustle fire... something penetrated the few cms of steel roof protection and set the ammo on fire...

    Krasnopol is 40kgs of HE... if it detonated amongst the ammo in the turret bustle the turret would be gone and the hull would likely be spread around the place a bit too.

    Any move that could 'PR scare' NATO into doing something stupid will likely be avoided. Softly, softly catchee monkee, as the old saying goes.

    Yes, the Russians have to understand they are dealing with children. Disabled Children. Disabled spoiled children.

    On the other hand it will be difficult to put a downed plane together again.
    Maybe some special forces unit will have to raid an airfield to get hold of one.

    Or maybe the offer of amnesty and a future...


    Any f-16's will only be trusted to the most loyal and die hard pilots, 99 percent chance of this not happening

    Probably very true but the paranoid and schizoid western handlers might think the risk is too high and ground them all anyway... their feats of skill and daring written in the US state department... with all the other propaganda from this war...

    Oh these silly comments are funny. Personal attacks and emotional retorts, really the best you got?. Comedy show honestly

    What personal attacks?

    We are speculating on something that has not happened yet so how can you say we are wrong and you are right?

    The entire western civilisation is based on damn natives selling out their countries and fellow man to give us coffee beans at ridiculously low prices but we still charge $10 a cup...


    Yeah it's technically in the sense possible hence why I said 99 out of 100.

    In Nicaragua the Hind helicopters the government forces were using were rather effective and the Americans didn't want to give them stingers because they didn't get their stingers back from the Muj in Afghanistan, so the CIA offered a large amount of money for any Hind helicopter flown to a friendly airbase intact. AFAIK no pilot actually tried to collect on that deal but the government immediately restricted the use of the Hinds just in case effectively reducing its effect on the conflict.

    Even if no pilots defect it is another thing for Kiev to worry about and be paranoid about... some fake phone calls to these pilots from Russian numbers will likely get them put into interrogation for that alone... I am sure the Russians could track cellphone numbers that have been in the western countries that trained the F-16 crews... I mean if Piers Morgan can have Royals and Celebrities phones hacked then the FSB should too...

    The U.S. Air Force is buying add-on seekers designed to give Joint Direct Attack Munition-Extended Range (JDAM-ER) precision-guided bombs supplied to Ukraine the ability to zero in on GPS jammers. In effect, this would turn one of the weapons most impacted by this countermeasure into one used to directly attack it. This follows growing reports that Russian jamming is severely degrading the effectiveness of Western-supplied GPS-guided munitions, including JDAM-ERs.

    Except the GPS jammer antenna might be really cheap to make in enormous volumes so putting it out in a field to get blown up by JDAM or what ever they want to use might not be that big a problem for them.

    Won't they just make sure a Pantsir is nearby?

    Easier just to make disposable jamming antennas for the GPS jammer and have them all over the place and switch between them often. If a round is coming in attacking a jamming antenna and then that antenna switches off and another antenna 500m away switches on will the incoming bomb be able to manouver to hit the new target?

    What happens if they switch again before it hits?

    And if it hits and destroys one will it matter when the rest of them continue to do the job?

    A female Russian warrior standing beside her war trophy, an Ukrainian Marder.

    Wait for the Americans to say this is proof they are running out of men... they have to send their women to fight...

    No chance of any womens groups picking this up and saying... maybe we are supporting the wrong side... Ha!

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    Post  nomadski Sun May 05, 2024 8:35 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Question : At what point do we hit GPS satellite , instead of playing with drones ? Serious question .

    At what point does a Russian cruise missile fly into the entrance of the channel tunnel and see how far down it gets before it runs in to something and explodes...


    I guess if both sides to a conflict depend on the same or similar resource , and both have the capability to destroy the said resource , then the side that depends less on this resource and has an alternative , can safely destroy the resource of the opponent , even knowing that their own resource will be taken out in retaliation . For example if Russia destroyed all Bridges on Deniper and Ukraine destroyed all Bridges to similar depth inside Russia , still Russia can use alternate land route to reach Eastern Ukraine , but Ukraine can not reach western Russia by land .

    Similarly with NATO , the side that has alternative to GPS , can destroy opponent's GPS and use other resource or system and come on top . Therefore to answer my own question : If Russian systems have reliable and effective guidance other than GPS and the opponent uses a lot of GPS , without which they become handicapped , then GPS can be taken out . I think the same answer regarding using EMP . If Russian systems operate without too much electronics , and opponent is heavy on electronics then use EMP .




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    Post  PhSt Sun May 05, 2024 10:43 pm

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    It looks like the NATO leadership is trying to test how their population will react to the pronouncement of certain Red lines and the possibility of intervention in case Ukraine is on the verge of Eradication.

    Russia should call this a bluff and start KILLING NATO TERRORISTS the very second they enter Ukraine. attack

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    Post  TMA1 Sun May 05, 2024 11:27 pm

    Well I will fight for America, but never for the "rules based world order". America is not it's current regime. Our elites are delusional. I know many Americans who would start to turn against the established cliques in power than be sent to war against their will. They need to beware. Our founding fathers rebelled for less. Seriously.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun May 05, 2024 11:40 pm

    I was wondering where all the money committed by the West over the next few years was going. I had forgotten about this lot of gangsters, as well as the IMF etc. Roll on rump state Ukraine.

    Foreign creditors demand Kiev to pay interest on debts, - WSJ

    A group of foreign bondholders, including US investment firms BlackRock BLK, and PIMCO, are planning to pressure Ukraine to start paying interest on its debt again as early as next year.

    The bondholders, who hold about a fifth of Ukraine's $20 billion worth of outstanding Eurobonds, recently formed a committee and hired lawyers from U.S. law firm Weil Gotshal & Manges and bankers from investment bank PJT Partners to negotiate on behalf of the group.

    They hope to receive up to $500 million in annual interest payments after agreeing to debt relief.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun May 05, 2024 11:45 pm

    Its becoming a family Laughing

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Mon May 06, 2024 12:52 am

    JohninMK wrote:Its becoming a family Laughing




    So, there's a trend towards reduced mobility in exchange for increased armor. In essence, we're revisiting the assault gun concept. I'm curious about how these guns, Armata based, would appear once their features are tested and refined during the SVO?



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    Post  JohninMK Mon May 06, 2024 1:21 am

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    Post  ucmvulcan Mon May 06, 2024 1:30 am

    JohninMK wrote:I was wondering where all the money committed by the West over the next few years was going. I had forgotten about this lot of gangsters, as well as the IMF etc. Roll on rump state Ukraine.

    Foreign creditors demand Kiev to pay interest on debts, - WSJ

    A group of foreign bondholders, including US investment firms BlackRock BLK, and PIMCO, are planning to pressure Ukraine to start paying interest on its debt again as early as next year.

    The bondholders, who hold about a fifth of Ukraine's $20 billion worth of outstanding Eurobonds, recently formed a committee and hired lawyers from U.S. law firm Weil Gotshal & Manges and bankers from investment bank PJT Partners to negotiate on behalf of the group.

    They hope to receive up to $500 million in annual interest payments after agreeing to debt relief.

    What I really love about the Blackrock thing is that so many in Amerikkka can't buy their own home because Blackrock has literally bought up all the low end stuff first time buyers normally go for and turned them into rental properties and yet these same people have these stupid "I stand when I pee," I mean the "I stand with the MIC to see that they make profits until the last Ukrainian is either limbless or dead," uh I mean "I stand with Ukraine" borders on their social media accounts not realizing that they are supporting the scam of the very people leaving them on the brink of homelessness. Yeah Ukraine is Blackrock's largest investment property. Also, of course the Wall Street Banksters want Ukraine to pay up, and people like RTN and Ms low Def think its about defending democracy and Ukrainian sovereignty? Bitches, please. Its just another con game. Tell the taxpayers, Ukraine is winning so send money and that Russia is an exestensial threat so send money and recently Russia is winning so please send money. The whole thing is a racket, of the exact sort Smedley Butler wrote about 90 years ago.

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon May 06, 2024 1:40 am

    JohninMK wrote:Its becoming a family Laughing


    We are reaching Homeworld levels of raw mass

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    Post  mnztr Mon May 06, 2024 1:46 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    We are reaching Homeworld levels of raw mass

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    How about this with a hovercraft skirt and blowers so it can also reduce ground pressure in deep mud conditions 😀

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    Post  GarryB Mon May 06, 2024 2:05 am

    For example if Russia destroyed all Bridges on Deniper and Ukraine destroyed all Bridges to similar depth inside Russia , still Russia can use alternate land route to reach Eastern Ukraine , but Ukraine can not reach western Russia by land .

    The core difference is that most of those bridges are very strongly built... if the Ukraine just wanted to destroy the Crimean bridge it would take 100 Storm Shadows and they would all have to be direct hits, but obviously their problem is that they don't have 100 Storm Shadow missiles and the defences are going to stop 90% or more of the missiles fired so to get the 100 hits you need to destroy the bridge you are going to have to fire 1,000 missiles.

    We have already seen when they try to launch large numbers of ATACMS then they are going to lose a few launchers in the process, which means a sustained attack is not possible. You can't get one successful hit every year and hope to have the bridge destroyed in 100 years because one hit a year means they will fix the damage and the bridge will be working again soon enough.

    If Kiev really tried to destroy the bridge Russia could simply start dropping bridges in west Ukraine... missiles like Kh-22M would be ideal with mach 3 plus flight speed with almost 1 ton HE payload...

    They could probably use a few Granit missiles too if they wanted.

    If Russian systems have reliable and effective guidance other than GPS and the opponent uses a lot of GPS , without which they become handicapped , then GPS can be taken out .

    You can't eliminate GPS by shooting down one or two satellites. To defeat it you would probably need to shoot down more than a dozen satellites which would effect GPS around the world... and the obvious US response would be to do the same to Russian GLONASS satellites.

    Literally an Eye for an Eye and we all end up blind. The debris from the destroyed satellites will be a problem.

    EMP would take out Russias own recon satellites as well as any other satellites nearby at the time.

    There are no Russian satellites that use clockwork mechanisms and all would be vulnerable to some degree to EMP attack.

    It just makes more sense to jam the signal than shoot anything down and using cheap disposable antenna for the jamming signal is just an obvious solution if they want to attack them.

    Russia should call this a bluff and start KILLING NATO TERRORISTS the very second they enter Ukraine.

    They would have to, otherwise they invite HATO forces to expand their presence openly in Ukraine. Of course only Moron has suggested this and most other HATO countries retreated from the idea of openly sending troops into the Ukraine for whatever reason.

    I suspect a lot of HATO countries will fear Russia blocking off the black sea to Kiev and perhaps even having a border with Moldova, but they have sent their weapons and ammo to Kiev and really probably don't have anything left to use themselves and the announcement of sending troops to defend Odessa might lead to a collapse and exit from HATO as an organisation by many countries who don't want to lose men for Americas experiment to destroy Europe.

    Its becoming a family

    I hope that vehicle was just headed somewhere and was not actually looking for mines because getting up close like that with the camera is like sticking your head out next to a target on an active rifle range... if it found a mine that cameraman would be killed.

    Of course if you are going to put stuff on your tanks that you would put the same or more on your mine clearing vehicles too... they will be a high priority target for enemy snipers and ATGM operators and drone operators too.

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    Post  Krepost Mon May 06, 2024 3:42 am

    JohninMK wrote:Its becoming a family Laughing


    Russians design the ARMATA, but they field this CHEREPAKHA. Russian special military operation in Ukraine #56 - Page 13 1f606

    P.S.
    This "thing has many names:

    CHEREPAKHA (Turtle)
    TSAR MANAGAL (King BBQ griller)
    BLYAT TANK (Damn tank) or BLYATMOBIL
    etc.

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    Post  Backman Mon May 06, 2024 4:42 am

    This is bullshit. But it would be based if it was true anyway .... in my opinion 

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    Post  ucmvulcan Mon May 06, 2024 5:30 am

    Backman wrote:This is bullshit. But it would be based if it was true anyway .... in my opinion 

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    Thanks for the laugh. Of course, there is some truth in this post. Bombed out charred equipment does tend to look a bit different than when you first get it. I remember seeing M1A1s on the train on the way back to their base after Gulf War One in 1991 or so. They were sand color camo, had their treadss, their guns were mounted and they didn't have the Ukrainian black char camo pattern applied to them by Russian drones

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