Russian special military operation in Ukraine #56

He lost me at MiG-35

MiG is dead, just let it rot already

The arrogance and delusion is awesome for a person who held the role she did.No reflection on the 100s of thousands of lives she lost. A bit like Madelaine Albright we Iraq.

At least we now know for certain that Boris was just the errand boy.


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It was not a mistake that Washington dissuaded Kyiv from negotiations with Moscow in the spring of 2022 because Russia's territorial demands, then just like now, were unacceptable for Ukraine, said former Deputy State Secretary Victoria Nuland.

" Ukraine in the conflict with Russia can still be successful and emerge from it 'even more sovereign, economically independent and even stronger', and that is the reason why the US should continue supporting Kiev ," she emphasizes.

Military support to Ukraine, Victoria Nuland concluded, will enable the US to build its military-industrial base, so that both America and Ukraine grow faster than Russia and China.

He lost me at MiG-35. MiG is dead, just let it rot already

Going for the Mig-35 is a step backwards and I doubt they will go that direction. They will have to develop 6th gen fighters and the Su-57 is a very solid basis to work from.

PapaDragon wrote:
He lost me at MiG-35

MiG is dead, just let it rot already

a modern AESA fighter that can be produced rapidly is dead?

How about junk that POS su75 and those PESA su30s

And audit OAC to see how much Sukhoi has been getting to piss away money on redundant projects like Su75

Phazotron needs to start working on AESA radars and that will benefit Mikoyan to start work on PAK DP, that is if Sukhoi didn't worm its way into designing some junk project to replace it over at OAC

I trust Sukhoi as far as I can see em

Belousovs spreadsheet is going to run into serious issues when it gets to Severnaya Verf and all the shipyards

I have the feeling a lot of the spreadsheet is going to get erased completely

JohninMK wrote:Military support to Ukraine, Victoria Nuland concluded, will enable the US to build its military-industrial base, so that both America and Ukraine grow faster than Russia and China.

She is into the money laundering business - or highly delusional.

Arkanghelsk wrote:
I trust Sukhoi as far as I can see em

Wasn't it Mikoyan who sold "new" Mig-29SMT's to Algeria but then it was discovered that they were rebuilds from old air frames and then promptly send back by the Algerians?

Arrow wrote:Belosov will make huge cuts in defense spending.  In the West they drink champagne

Belousov is at the same team as Glazyev is. He is "the modern Stalinist" regarding economy. Regarding Shoigu - i only wonder if Shoigu had to go because of Ivanov case? Too slow introduction of innovations? I guess Belousov has also one more task -kick ol good boys from MoD.

Mir wrote:

Wasn't it Mikoyan who sold "new" Mig-29SMT's to Algeria but then it was discovered that they were rebuilds from old air frames and then promptly send back by the Algerians?

Yes, it's clear that Tikhomirov and Sukhoi walked off happily ever after into the sunset, it's too bad that's over now

I wouldn't be surprised if Su85 came out as replacement for Mig31, it will be a 4 engined su57

First on the list for audit is Severnaya Verf and the smaller yards and engine builders,

Then comes OAC

Kronshtadt and MIG will benefit the most of belousovs spreadsheet

The rest of the naval ship building industry is going into real time AI tracking with instant updates, good luck delaying an order there, you'll immediately get a videocall from within the yard from the minister of defense

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The head of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, Kirill Budanov, laid the blame for the failure in the Kharkov direction on the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Syrsky.

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The Russians’ attempts to break through the defenses have been stopped,” Syrsky.

In his mind the guy is still holding Avdeevka.

Well, worth a shot I guess?

Sure. Like asking Djokovic to retire while he is leading 6:0 and 5:1. 

we will just call in the reserves.

For that you need that guy:

Guess what language those folks were speaking to each other? 

Well, most Ukros are talking Russian.

Shoigu is a close friend and ally to Putin.

Keep in mind that he wanted to retire after being the Head of EMERCOM for so long.
He only became Minister of Defence because Putin begged him.

designed project 677 that couldn't float

Sure. That´s why the project is in serial production. 

Why was an unarmed patrol vessel needed if a big war was coming?

For patrolling the high seas and to fight pirates.

even more sovereign, economically independent and even stronger',

She means as slave of the US.

Mir wrote:

He lost me at MiG-35. MiG is dead, just let it rot already

Going for the Mig-35 is a step backwards and I doubt they will go that direction. They will have to develop 6th gen fighters and the Su-57 is a very solid basis to work from.

I couldn't agree more. A fifty-year-old design with upgraded avionics and engines which never reached significant production numbers? Meanwhile, Su-30/35 aircraft are being manufactured at full speed. Why waste resources on a defunct design?

Arkanghelsk wrote:Guys, Shoigu was promoted to oversee Roboronexport and the security council

Belousov heading MOD - were about to get Mig35 and T14

Su75 to the garbage

It's great that procurement will switch from export driven to supply side

Why depend on India or China for things Russia needs?

It's time to produce the mig35 , and to produce tanks, it's time for MOD officials to be monitored via an AI digital tracking system

Every penny is going to be accounted for

Oh and zvezda is about to get a kick in the ass

excited for a 4th gen over 5th gen aircraft, I hope you are fucking joking this will make us Turkey tier with hurjets and not above US tier for not having a stealth design aircraft without the cool UAV route.

Leave the su-75 alone I love that little guy like you wouldn't believe.

Arkanghelsk wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
He lost me at MiG-35

MiG is dead, just let it rot already

a modern AESA fighter that can be produced rapidly is dead?

How about junk that POS su75 and those PESA su30s

And audit OAC to see how much Sukhoi has been getting to piss away money on redundant projects like Su75

Phazotron needs to start working on AESA radars and that will benefit Mikoyan to start work on PAK DP, that is if Sukhoi didn't worm its way into designing some junk project to replace it over at OAC

I trust Sukhoi as far as I can see em

I hope you are not one of those stealth is a gimmick tards, you better pray those mig-35s fly on photonic radars with 200-300km air to air missiles. There is nothing funny pursuing AESA which the west will always be a step ahead of you in while not reducing your aircrafts RCS while the west pursues single engine stealth designs. Its like you are trying to give the Ukrainians a fighting chance if they ever received F-16Vs and AIM-120Ds

I pray to god you are being sarcastic because its like cheering for your girlfriend getting a breast size reduction.

I doubt Kharkiv city is the target. Two pronged attack in northern Kharkiv. I think they are going to try to cut the direct supply route to kupyansk forcing Ukrainians to flee the city giving Russia the chance to capture kupyansk without much of a fight. While the other prong is going towards the northern part of Kharkiv city, this will be fine to put pressure on the city and stop reinforcements coming to interfere with the second prong as they move down the east side of the city, this creates a cut off in a fairly large area this force Ukrainians to flee this area further and into the city itself. The blue hashed areas will collapse due to the cut offs, and a fairly easy chunk of land gained for Russia along with kupyansk. The city of Kharkiv would be an urban warfare nightmare, once this plan above is achieved, then they can encircle the city and cut it off, that's how I believe Kharkiv city will be taken not door to door fighting. And it's not in Russia's interest to destroy the second largest city in Ukraine rebuilding costs money and time.

TMA1 wrote:Leave the su-75 alone I love that little guy like you wouldn't believe.

Looks even better in its new shape

In regards to Shoigu replacing Patrushev Peskov stated this.

"Patrushev was relieved from his duties in connection with his new post, according to the presidential decree. The Kremlin will announce further details about his new position "in the coming few days,"

Patrushev is a long term ally and advisor to Putin, also an ex FSB director and even once touted as a potential successor to Putin. What the new role will be who knows and hopefully we find out soon, but what's certain is it's likely to be important. If for whatever reason it's a demotion it could well be due to ill health but this right now is speculation.

Mir wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:
I trust Sukhoi as far as I can see em

Wasn't it Mikoyan who sold "new" Mig-29SMT's to Algeria but then it was discovered that they were rebuilds from old air frames and then promptly send back by the Algerians?

No I think they were uncompleted airframes and were modfied to the SMT standard, so its not like they had any hours on them. Thats what I heard anyway. The Indians bought a bunch of planes built of the same airframes in storage and got a great deal

thegopnik wrote:

I hope you are not one of those stealth is a gimmick tards, you better pray those mig-35s fly on photonic radars with 200-300km air to air missiles. There is nothing funny pursuing AESA which the west will always be a step ahead of you in while not reducing your aircrafts RCS while the west pursues single engine stealth designs. Its like you are trying to give the Ukrainians a fighting chance if they ever received F-16Vs and AIM-120Ds

I pray to god you are being sarcastic because its like cheering for your girlfriend getting a breast size reduction.

Photonic radars aren't coming any time soon, and Russia needs airframes now rather than later

And the west will be ahead until Russia funds production of basic AESA radar , you can't compete unless you are actually in the game

The west isn't only pursuing single engine stealth design, but also f15EX, and upgrading its other 4th Gen designs

Mig35 is needed because of gaps in air coverage, which su35 isn't able to fill at 2x the cost

F16 with AMRAAM aren't going to beat Mig35 with R77M

Which actually is another MOD fuckup because until now we haven't seen R77M either

But with Mig35, forget R37, with R77M you have a missile with range to kill other platforms at BVR range without compromising the payload of a smaller fighter like mig35

So it should be totally funded, AESA and R77M to boot

Bolt from the blue: Putin again shocked the world with his decision, by Irina Alksnis for RiaNovosti. 05.12.2024.

The traditional May “vacation”, instead of the usual news lull, this time turned out to be extremely eventful, the main of which was the formation of a new government and the activation of the Russian army in the Kharkov direction. However, the main information bomb was “detonated” by Vladimir Putin a few hours before the country returned to normal work schedule: Sergei Shoigu was appointed Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation, and the President proposed Andrei Belousov, who previously held the position of First Deputy Prime Minister, to the post of Minister of Defence.

A couple of days ago, when it became known that Mikhail Mishustin proposed Denis Manturov for the post of first deputy prime minister in the new government , this led to a somewhat confused and even a little wary reaction from people who follow Russia’s economic policy. The contribution of Manturov and the Ministry of Industry and Trade he heads to how the domestic economy has coped with all the challenges of recent years (from the pandemic to the “sanctions from hell”) is enormous, and his new appointment is absolutely deserved.

But the question naturally arose, what about Belousov?...

The fact is that it was the First Deputy Prime Minister for many years, while still an assistant to the president, who consistently promoted the ideas of strengthening government regulation, reindustrialization of Russia and reliance on the real sector as the main engine of the country’s development, in general, all those changes that we observed in last years.

Some even saw him as an irreconcilable enemy of the government’s financial bloc, which traditionally relies on a monetarist approach. The falsity of such a view has been convincingly demonstrated in recent years, when it was the coordinated work of the government, including “financiers” and “industrialists,” that allowed the Russian economy not only to cope with the storm organized by the West for it, but also to make a real breakthrough. The importance of Belousov in this work as First Deputy Prime Minister is difficult to overestimate. And then he suddenly found himself without a position - of course, this led to whispers and various conspiracy theories.

However, the main surprise was ahead and the news of his transfer to the Ministry of Defence sounded like a bolt from the blue (and what a shock it caused in the West). In this regard, in the coming days we will hear many versions of why Putin chose a purely civilian person and an economist (moreover, a macroeconomist-strategist) as Minister of Defence.

Meanwhile, the Kremlin - as in many other cases - gave a frank explanation for this choice of the president.
Firstly, in recent years, due to well-known circumstances, Russia’s military and security budget in general has grown sharply: it has already reached 6.7% of GDP and is approaching the late Soviet figure of 7.4%. And at the head of our state are people who remember very well that the colossal burden of the military budget was one of the reasons that buried the Soviet economy. This does not mean that it needs to be reduced immediately. The West has launched a war against Russia, which is losing the prefix “proxy” before our very eyes—there can be no talk of reduction. It may have to be increased further. In such conditions, it is necessary that military money be spent with maximum efficiency and benefit - both for the army and for the country as a whole. And this is a job for an economist.

Secondly, Dmitry Peskov directly stated that “today on the battlefield, the winner is the one who is open to innovation, more open to the most rapid implementation.” Apparently, the Kremlin does not harbor hopes for a quick end to the confrontation with the West, and the Russian army faces many trials and battles. The courage of our soldiers opposing the enemy is limitless, but Vladimir Putin named the main goal of state policy as preserving the population - and this concerns the military no less than the civilian population. Consequently, the task is to provide the army with everything possible to save the lives of soldiers, including the latest developments - from personal ammunition to heavy weapons.

However, the army - in any country - is a rather cumbersome and closed system with a lot of peculiarities. Compared to the Pentagon and its bag of nuts for 90 thousand dollars, the Russian Ministry of Defense looks like a model of transparency, efficiency and innovation, but we have enough problems - the case of Timur Ivanov serves as a reminder of this.

This explains why Vladimir Putin chose Andrei Belousov as defense minister, an economist who thinks strategically and in national interests, has extensive experience working on transforming the Russian economy, and has strong ties to industry that works in the interests of the military.

For war, Russia has a General Staff, and to transform the army and military-industrial complex into a modern system that quickly adapts to new challenges with the rapid introduction of innovation and high economic efficiency, the president sends Andrei Belousov to the Ministry of Defence.

https://ria.ru/20240513/reshenie-1945474996.html

OK there's still hope the Su-75 has not been cancelled for a more flawed project until that happens we will see.