Russian special military operation in Ukraine #56

Hole wrote:
Why keep they sending such crap?

Old expired useless crap is better for money Laundering

By the way, the main goal of this Kharkov offensive is to make the Ukrainians divert troops from other directions. Once they divert a part of their forces from Chasov Yar, Chasov Yar is done.

[quote="Walther von Oldenburg"]By the way, the main goal of this Kharkov offensive is to make the Ukrainians divert troops from other directions. Once they divert a part of their forces from Chasov Yar, Chasov Yar is done.[/quote

It's only 50k Ukraine has enough men for this.

People are gravely misunestimating the amount of troops here.

YouTubers have hyped this move up for weeks now the reality is it's a small amount of troops with the goal to make a small buffer zone between Kharkov and belegrod, Ukraine has had units in position for months to defend, they do not need to pull anything from anywhere.

The Russian Ministry of Defense claim 1620 Ukrainian casualties over the past 24 hours. Of these 170 plus 34 POW's in the new border operation.

https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12512580@egNews

Information appears that the command of the Ukrainian Armed Forces has begun the transfer of units from Kherson to Kharkov.

Ukraine fell for the bait

Expect the main push to start soon

Arkanghelsk wrote: Information appears that the command of the Ukrainian Armed Forces has begun the transfer of units from Kherson to Kharkov.

Ukraine fell for the bait

Expect the main push to start soon

I think the feint in Kharkov should be given a realistic feel. Russian air forces need to obliterate the meat wagons. Then they should drive the fascist filth out of the rest of Zaprozhiye and Kherson.

ucmvulcan wrote:


I think the feint in Kharkov should be given a realistic feel.  Russian air forces need to obliterate the meat wagons.  Then they should drive the fascist filth out of the rest of Zaprozhiye and Kherson.

It's only a feint to the extent that they transfer reserves

It's up to Syrsky

How does he want to lose the left bank

Either by defending Pokrovsk,  or defending Kharkov

Either way, one of them is going to fall

The choice is his

But soon the northern wind will start blowing in Sumy and Chernigov

And the marines have already captured an island in kherson

This shouldn't be interpreted as a simple feint

It's a full blown offensive with the characteristics of Brusilovs offensive from ww1

Force them to deploy their last reserves, tie them down, and then start the push

No spearheads or column formations

Purely wedge formations with 2-3 echelons

This is how you break out of positional warfare and into operational maneuver

History is the greatest teacher

Actually to expand

In 1916, the central powers had fought the RU imperial army to a positional stalemate along the entire Frontline from Riga to Iasi

The Frontline never moved more than several meters

In this instance, the Germans launched an offensive and had expended its reserves attacking the French culminating in the battle of Verdun on the western front

The Russian high command - Stavka had received proposals from General Alexei Brusilov on how to break the positional stalemate

The plan was for General Lebed and General Evert to launch simultaneously an offensive in the north

While in the south, Brusilov would command 4 armies and force a breech in the Austro-Hungarian lines

The tactics were radically different from the human waves that all armies used at the time

Instead of concentrating his forces into a single fist

He dispersed them in wedge formations attacking along sectors 15km wide, with layers of echelons to sustain the offensive thrusts

In order to stave off the offensives in the north, German command transfered its last reserves to plug gaps around Minsk

This stabilized the lines in the north

But in the south, a different situation brewed

Brusilov unleashed a hellish artillery barrage (like we see around Ukraine) and opened 20+ breaches in their lines

From there, the 7th, 8th, 9th, and 11th armies used shocktroops to detect the weak points

Followed up by the main forces

The result was spectacular, they overwhelmed the Austro-Hungarian lines and broke into enemy territory

The relevance is that in the conditions of this war, where surprise is irrelevant due to the prevalence of ISR and surveillance means

The only solution is to tactically overwhelm Ukraine in spite of observation and knowledge of Russian force concentrations

This leads to the "washing machine" offensive or Brusilovs offensive 2.0

Russia has systematically destroyed Ukrainian weapons, from artillery, Air defense, vehicles and its manpower by inflicting horrendous casualties and by forcing them to tie down their reserves

We saw in January how multiple axis were activated, Russia attacked in Rabotino, Avdeyevka, Sinkovka, and Novomikhailovka, Russia did this by transferring its forces anytime Ukraine brought reserves up

With superior mobility and logistics, they overwhelmed Ukraine and captured 400km2 of land from Avdeyevka to the Ocheretino Flower

This set the stage for what we see now

Even more expanded operations, attacking simultaneously- not seeking to advance deeply

But straining the Ukrainian army horizontally to force a collapse of the front

Naturally the Kharkov/Sumy/Chernigov/Kherson/Donetsk operations will culminate into a contiguous offensive where Russia will activate different parts of the front to collapse the left bank defenses

They have no need to transfer their own manpower anymore as they have reached superior manpower in all directions

Ukraine has no good options here, their high command knows Russias intentions but can do little to change its reality

Important to remember zelen is just a figure head here, kill him and someone just like him will take his place or worse you risk someone who knows what they are doing getting into the position

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Important to remember zelen is just a figure head here, kill him and someone just like him will take his place or worse you risk someone who knows what they are doing getting into the position

Things would only be worse for the average Ukrainian.  The reason Putin has not taken out the Ukrainian high command is the same reason the Chinese and USAAF never wasted their time taking out PuYi and the Manchukuo puppet government and why no effort was taken to bomb Vichy and kill Petain.  Sure, de jure, Vichy and Manchukuo were "sovereign" states, but everyone knew that both Petain and PuYi were puppets.  Their military forces and surface ships were attacked, but not them because they were puppets.  Ukraine is the same thing.  IF you want to take out Ukraine's military leadership you have to hit Bonn, Paris, London, Berlin, and Washington because that is where the decision making centers are.

Karl Haushofer wrote:This is the reason why I find it difficult to understand why Russia refuses to kill the representatives of Ukrainian regime. Why kill thousands of conscripts instead of cutting the head of the monster.

The head of the monster is in Washington, Brussels, London, Paris and Tel Aviv, not Kiev.

Killing incompetent leaders only leads to more competent (anti-Russian) leadership taking over.

Ukrainian conscripts (knowingly) obey commanders who are sending them to their deaths, killing Zelensky won't change that.

The US has spent 30+ years brainwashing soft Ukrainian brains to hate and blame Russia for all their problems, current pro-Nazi dictatorship is a symptom of the problem, not the cause.

Conquering the Ukraine quickly and occupying them would've led to an insurgency unrivaled in size and scope with the full support of NATO ISR providing target acquisition for some kind of Slavic ISIS in the Ukraine and Russia too.

Ultimately, Russia chose the least worst option for themselves which was "Demilitarization and Denazification" aka killing hundreds of thousands of Ukropeons who were willing (or acquiescent enough) to fight and die for Nazis, NATO, the liberal world order, EU 'values' and the unelected Dicktaker, Nazilensky.

PapaDragon wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:This is the reason why I find it difficult to understand why Russia refuses to kill the representatives of Ukrainian regime. Why kill thousands of conscripts instead of cutting the head of the monster.

Because Zelensky is not the monster, Ukrainian fully Nazi population is

Zelensky is one of the greatest assets Russia has in this war

Killing those Nazi conscripts is THE primary objective in the whole war

It would be a mistake, for the Russian ideological mindset, all what these people are are misguided Russian brothers unaware of their sins.

They must be saved not exactly by pummeling them but by making them realize how silly it is to follow these golden calves that are the EU, NATO and American Hegemony.

9th May celebrations have a MUCH more persuasive effect on that populace than any amount of bombs and idiotic genocidal drivel might ever have. As the Ukies are then faced directly with their own massive contradiction which is to either celebrate their very own ancestors who drove out a monstruous invasion hell bent on destroying the entire Russian AND Ukrainian nation, or to put a veil on it and face the Nazi alternative.

As indeed what the West and the dirty Zelensky regime is doing right now is force feeding the Nazis onto the Ukrainian population. Whereas a newly born Ukrainian nation is obligated to relinquish the sacrifice of millions of Ukrainian soldiers and instead praise some genocidal groups with ideas to cleanse much of Ukraine itself, an unnatural and outright evil alternative especially for eastern Ukrainians.

I sure hope Ukies will finally wake up from this existential nightmare and decide for themselves what is best for this young nation, which by nature is tied to the Russian ensemble as long as there is Russian blood on its roots.

In that view, it is way better to keep the equally highly confused Zelensky gang in there with all the ideological blunders that go with them.