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Log inNone of these ships have defense against drone attacks. So they can't operate without some form of air cover.Arkanghelsk wrote:Latest analysis on the dnepr flotilla, it seems that raptor boats with ATGM and KORD, Shmel boats with 76mm gun, quad plamya AGS, and many guns, as well as mobile Bereg guns and naval infantry will start to enforce a no sail zone in the Kinburn spit
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Russian special military operation in Ukraine #56
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #56
Arkanghelsk Thu May 02, 2024 4:37 pm
lancelot wrote:None of these ships have defense against drone attacks. So they can't operate without some form of air cover.Arkanghelsk wrote:Latest analysis on the dnepr flotilla, it seems that raptor boats with ATGM and KORD, Shmel boats with 76mm gun, quad plamya AGS, and many guns, as well as mobile Bereg guns and naval infantry will start to enforce a no sail zone in the Kinburn spit
Drones in the air aren't the problem near Odessa
Drones in the sea are
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Arkanghelsk wrote:lancelot wrote:None of these ships have defense against drone attacks. So they can't operate without some form of air cover.Arkanghelsk wrote:Latest analysis on the dnepr flotilla, it seems that raptor boats with ATGM and KORD, Shmel boats with 76mm gun, quad plamya AGS, and many guns, as well as mobile Bereg guns and naval infantry will start to enforce a no sail zone in the Kinburn spit
Drones in the air aren't the problem near Odessa
Drones in the sea are
All of these ships have short range weapons. And if they do operate in the Dnieper river area they will be operating close to the shore. So yes they will be vulnerable to aerial drones. Much like those Ukrainian boats and barges near Kherson are vulnerable to Russian aerial drones.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #56
Arkanghelsk Thu May 02, 2024 5:27 pm
lancelot wrote:
All of these ships have short range weapons. And if they do operate in the Dnieper river area they will be operating close to the shore. So yes they will be vulnerable to aerial drones. Much like those Ukrainian boats and barges near Kherson are vulnerable to Russian aerial drones.
The entire point of Dnepr flotilla is to clear the USV threat from larger ships
So the BSF can resume patrols without worrying about Magura or Sea Baby drones
The bigger ships have air defenses, and FPV won't reach 20+km where they operate
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #56
Belisarius Thu May 02, 2024 6:27 pm
Russian Aerospace Forces neutralise IRIS-T air defence system by missile strike near Ostroverkhovka
Russian Defence Ministryhttps://t.me/mod_russia_en/13690
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Just for the records - Iris-T still can be produced in ONE battery per year rate.
And the Bundeswehr still has not ordered those ...
Russkie took down a whole Egyptian order.
Edit : a clear vid of Odessa yesterdays arrivals.
https://t.me/intelslava/58837
It seems that it was hit by Calibres. What is interesting - Calibre is the lowest tier of Russkie tools. It is made to be inexpensive, mass produced. It lacks ECM suite and advanced tech Ch-101 has.
Still, it was enough to kill a target in Odessa.
And if we believe in Ukro sources, a whole supply of Storm Shadows gathered for staging commercials is gone.
And the Bundeswehr still has not ordered those ...
Russkie took down a whole Egyptian order.
Edit : a clear vid of Odessa yesterdays arrivals.
https://t.me/intelslava/58837
It seems that it was hit by Calibres. What is interesting - Calibre is the lowest tier of Russkie tools. It is made to be inexpensive, mass produced. It lacks ECM suite and advanced tech Ch-101 has.
Still, it was enough to kill a target in Odessa.
And if we believe in Ukro sources, a whole supply of Storm Shadows gathered for staging commercials is gone.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #56
higurashihougi Thu May 02, 2024 7:12 pm
https://www.facebook.com/K01Archive/posts/pfbid0a8gbA4tQBmycZETDaLXN2dQz2iKJgrmotokUhvrKYZCGUkfFLuWpHfW4dVSusysDl
Commander of the Southern Military Zone of the Ukrainian armed forces was reporetd to be KIA during Russian strike into the headquarters of the military zone.
Well, after quite a long time when Russian Black Sea Fleet was frequently harrassed by Ukraine, finally...
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Adulthood, Bandera level.
On the other hand, the idol of theirs was doing blowjobs for money, being arrested multiple times for prostitution. By both Polish and Soviet police ... so ... What would you expect?
On the other hand, the idol of theirs was doing blowjobs for money, being arrested multiple times for prostitution. By both Polish and Soviet police ... so ... What would you expect?
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It had to happen one day. It was too obvious that there was way more.
S p r i n t e r F a c t o r y
@Sprinterfactory
Ukrainian cemeteries began to remove flags from the graves of fallen military personnel
Apparently, because the population already completely refuses to believe in the “losses of 31 thousand personnel”
S p r i n t e r F a c t o r y
@Sprinterfactory
Ukrainian cemeteries began to remove flags from the graves of fallen military personnel
Apparently, because the population already completely refuses to believe in the “losses of 31 thousand personnel”
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crod wrote:JohninMK wrote:Looks like a different view of this event
'Tis but a shame John...a few short minutes prior of footage and you might have had your boom boom for the week!
All shall come to he who waits
Some say it was a Kalibre attack but that trail looks straight down to me.
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Check the version with sound.
The whisteling of a cruise missile engine is clear in the background.
The whisteling of a cruise missile engine is clear in the background.
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Heading for the scrap metal processing area
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ALAMO wrote:Check the version with sound.
The whisteling of a cruise missile engine is clear in the background.
Can a Kalibre drop vertically like that trail?
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It's a matter of perspective?
Or it can be exhausts of missile used to fight it?
And indeed, I guess that Kalibr can descent at a random angle, concerning the programmed flight path
I have watched one of that vids with really slow mo - and no ballistic missile can be observed.
I will try to get back to it.
Or it can be exhausts of missile used to fight it?
And indeed, I guess that Kalibr can descent at a random angle, concerning the programmed flight path
I have watched one of that vids with really slow mo - and no ballistic missile can be observed.
I will try to get back to it.
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They should get jammers before moving into the area of operation.None of these ships have defense against drone attacks.
Launching cruise missiles the whole time seems not enough to some people.finally...
Interference in elections, those guys will be sanctioned by the US Congress.“You will never be president again.”
He was young and needed the money.What would you expect?
Some businessman will resell them.began to remove flags from the graves
At the same time they sell the story that Banderaland is fighting all by itself against evil Russkies.Heading for the scrap metal processing area
Consider the camera angle, looks propably steeper than it is.Can a Kalibre drop vertically like that trail?
But Kaliber can go into a dive. It doesn´t need to recover from it like a manned plane.
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https://t.me/intelslava/58837?single
A cruise missile engine of Ch-55/Kalibr type is clearly heard.
Fiuuuuu ....
A cruise missile engine of Ch-55/Kalibr type is clearly heard.
Fiuuuuu ....
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lancelot wrote:None of these ships have defense against drone attacks. So they can't operate without some form of air cover.Arkanghelsk wrote:Latest analysis on the dnepr flotilla, it seems that raptor boats with ATGM and KORD, Shmel boats with 76mm gun, quad plamya AGS, and many guns, as well as mobile Bereg guns and naval infantry will start to enforce a no sail zone in the Kinburn spit
Can't they just fit the anti drone system they put on the rolling house? Should not be that hard.
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JohninMK wrote:It had to happen one day. It was too obvious that there was way more.
S p r i n t e r F a c t o r y
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Ukrainian cemeteries began to remove flags from the graves of fallen military personnel
Apparently, because the population already completely refuses to believe in the “losses of 31 thousand personnel”
31K KIA claimed, ordered 700K flags from Chin:roll: a
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And there's your false flag/accusations. Any old excuse to get involved. This shows just how desperate Ukraine and the west are getting. And let's not forget who really does use chemical weapons, the Nazis during WW2 and the Americans in Vietnam. The USA is the world's biggest war criminal.
Article supplied by the British Bias corporation lol
The US has accused Russia of deploying chemical weapons as a "method of warfare" in Ukraine, in violation of international laws banning their use.
State department officials said Russia used the choking agent chloropicrin to win "battlefield gains" over Ukraine.
The allegations, which US officials said were not an "isolated" incident, would contravene the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC), which Russia signed.
The Kremlin rejected the accusations, calling them "baseless".
Spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters in Moscow that Russia stood by its obligations under the CWC, which prohibits states from developing or acquiring new weapons. Some 193 states have ratified the convention.
The Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), a global watchdog that oversees implementation of the CWC, says a chemical weapon is a substance used to cause intentional death or harm through its toxic properties.
Chloropicrin - which the US says Russia has used to "dislodge Ukrainian forces from fortified positions" - is an oily substance which was widely used during World War One. It causes irritation of the lungs, eyes and skin and can cause vomiting, nausea and diarrhoea, according to the US Centre for Disease Control (CDC).
The chemical's use in war is expressly banned under the CWC, and is listed as a choking agent by the OPCW.
The state department also said Moscow had regularly used "riot control agents," or tear gas, during the war.
President Joe Biden has previously warned Russia against deploying chemical weapons in Ukraine. In March 2022, weeks after Moscow launched its invasion, Mr Biden vowed that President Vladimir Putin would pay a "severe price" if he did authorise the use of chemical weapons.
"We would respond if he uses it. The nature of the response would depend on the nature of the use," Mr Biden said.
But there have been consistent reports that Moscow has ignored that warning. US Assistant Secretary for Arms Control Mallory Stewart has previously said Russia was using riot control agents in the conflict.
And Ukraine says its troops have faced mounting chemical attacks in recent months. The Reuters news agency reported earlier this year that Russian forces had used grenades loaded with CS and CN tear gases.
The report added that at least 500 Ukrainian soldiers have been treated for exposure to toxic gases, and that one had died after suffocating on tear gas.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68941220.amp
Article supplied by the British Bias corporation lol
The US has accused Russia of deploying chemical weapons as a "method of warfare" in Ukraine, in violation of international laws banning their use.
State department officials said Russia used the choking agent chloropicrin to win "battlefield gains" over Ukraine.
The allegations, which US officials said were not an "isolated" incident, would contravene the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC), which Russia signed.
The Kremlin rejected the accusations, calling them "baseless".
Spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters in Moscow that Russia stood by its obligations under the CWC, which prohibits states from developing or acquiring new weapons. Some 193 states have ratified the convention.
The Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), a global watchdog that oversees implementation of the CWC, says a chemical weapon is a substance used to cause intentional death or harm through its toxic properties.
Chloropicrin - which the US says Russia has used to "dislodge Ukrainian forces from fortified positions" - is an oily substance which was widely used during World War One. It causes irritation of the lungs, eyes and skin and can cause vomiting, nausea and diarrhoea, according to the US Centre for Disease Control (CDC).
The chemical's use in war is expressly banned under the CWC, and is listed as a choking agent by the OPCW.
The state department also said Moscow had regularly used "riot control agents," or tear gas, during the war.
President Joe Biden has previously warned Russia against deploying chemical weapons in Ukraine. In March 2022, weeks after Moscow launched its invasion, Mr Biden vowed that President Vladimir Putin would pay a "severe price" if he did authorise the use of chemical weapons.
"We would respond if he uses it. The nature of the response would depend on the nature of the use," Mr Biden said.
But there have been consistent reports that Moscow has ignored that warning. US Assistant Secretary for Arms Control Mallory Stewart has previously said Russia was using riot control agents in the conflict.
And Ukraine says its troops have faced mounting chemical attacks in recent months. The Reuters news agency reported earlier this year that Russian forces had used grenades loaded with CS and CN tear gases.
The report added that at least 500 Ukrainian soldiers have been treated for exposure to toxic gases, and that one had died after suffocating on tear gas.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68941220.amp
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mnztr wrote:
31K KIA claimed, ordered 700K flags from Chin:roll: a
Temu…heaps of good deals no doubt, so where are the other billions of $$$$$
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #56
higurashihougi Fri May 03, 2024 6:08 am
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An article of Forbes about the paradox of Ukrainian 47th Brigade.
It is one of the very few units of Ukraina that still have good mobility. That is why for a whole year, it has no time to rest and has to move constantly to rescue the Ukrainian sectors that has been defeated by attacking Russians.
The 47th brigade, obviously, needs time to recuperate. But it is the only unit that can use Western equipments such as Bradley. Hence, as the next package of aid for Kiev only consist of Western vehicles, it will be poured into the 47th brigade.
Which means the 47th brigde will have no time to rest and will not see any future of going back home.
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They will be wiped out easily. Drones will see em in their Bradley's.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #56
PapaDragon Fri May 03, 2024 6:41 am
Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Why is tank vs tank combat so rare in this war?
Nobody drives a tank out in the open anymore due to ATGMs, drones, artillery, helicopters, etc...
No tanks out in the open = no tank vs tank combat
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #56
PapaDragon Fri May 03, 2024 6:48 am
ALAMO wrote:Holly molly, Odessa strike was really something...
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