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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Mon May 13, 2024 6:45 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:https://t.me/kalibrated/10844

    What is this? Kornet? Krasnopol? lmur?

    It flies in a trajectory not consistent with Krasnopol , unless it's direct fire?

    It's traveling too slow to be Kornet

    So what gives?

    It is a missile and it flies low. The strike is at the drone reticle, so it does really look like the drone is lasing the target.

    Which semi-active laser homing missiles do Russia use?

    Perhaps it's a new implementation of an existing system, where the lasing has been relegated to a drone rather than the mother aircraft/launcher as usual.

    It can't be any of the regular "beam riders" (which comprises all Russias laser-guided ATGMs I think?) as that's a fundamentally different principle vs homing onto a painted target like this.

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    Post  Arrow Mon May 13, 2024 7:29 pm

    https://m.vk.com/video-123538639_456308402

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    Post  Kiko Mon May 13, 2024 8:07 pm

    Belousov will make the Ministry of Defense innovative, by Anastasia Kulikova and Evgeny Pozdnyakov for VZGLYAD. 05.13.2024.

    Experts named the tasks of Andrei Belousov as Russian Defence Minister.

    Vladimir Putin nominated Deputy Prime Minister Andrei Belousov for the post of head of the Ministry of Defence. The appointment of a “civilian” as head of the military department caused a strong reaction not only in the Russian expert community, but also among the Western media. Experts are confident that Belousov will take the Ministry of Defence to a fundamentally different level of efficiency.

    On Sunday, Vladimir Putin presented the Federation Council with nominations for heads of ministries and departments for further consultations. Almost all the leaders of this bloc retained their positions. What came as a surprise to many observers was the proposal to appoint Andrei Belousov as head of the military department, who served as first deputy prime minister in the previous government.

    Meanwhile, Sergei Shoigu was appointed secretary of the Security Council. In addition, according to presidential press secretary Dmitry Peskov, the ex-minister of defence will become deputy head of state in the commission on the FPC. It is known that he will also head the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSMTC). At the same time, there are no plans to reshuffle the General Staff of the Armed Forces : Valery Gerasimov will retain his position.

    The Kremlin explained the choice of a “civilian” to lead the military department by the need to “integrate the economy of the security bloc into the economy of the country.” “Today, the winner on the battlefield is the one who is more open to innovation, more open to the most rapid implementation,” Peskov explained.

    He also noted that the combined budget of the Ministry of Defence and the security bloc has recently grown to 6.7% of the country's GDP. Until recently, this figure fluctuated around 3%.

    The president's press secretary described the current state of affairs as still uncritical, however, according to him, the situation is approaching the picture of the 80s, when, due to geopolitical circumstances, this volume was 7.4%. In this regard, Peskov stated the importance of a “special attitude” to current trends. He also recalled that Belousov “very successfully headed the Russian Ministry of Economic Development” and “for a long time was the president’s assistant on economic issues.”

    Meanwhile, on Monday, Belousov spoke at the Federation Council about the tasks that, in his opinion, should now be implemented in the military department. Thus, at the moment it is important to think through the issues of medical care for SVO participants in civilian clinics, as well as to remove unnecessary bureaucracy with the registration of benefits. He emphasized that all issues of soldiers arriving from the front should be resolved “within the framework of the system of interdepartmental electronic interaction,” for which there are appropriate opportunities. In addition, problems remain with payments to soldiers to provide them with housing.

    Against this background, Federation Council Speaker Valentina Matvienko called his candidacy “a good choice on the part of the president.” Andrei Kartapolov, head of the State Duma Committee on Defense, shares a similar opinion. In his conversation with RTVI, he emphasized that the system of supporting the Armed Forces, their supplies, as well as the process of personnel training, with the arrival of the new head of the Ministry of Defense, will undergo significant changes that will contribute to the growth of the army’s efficiency.

    Belousov was born in Moscow in 1959, graduated with honors from the Faculty of Economics of Moscow State University and received a doctorate, recalls TASS . The official began his career as a trainee researcher and junior researcher at the Central Institute of Economics and Mathematics of the USSR Academy of Sciences.
    In the 2000s, he was a freelance adviser to government chairmen. Later he took the post of Deputy Minister of Economic Development and Trade, and in 2012 he headed the department itself. Then Belousov went to work in the presidential administration, where he became an assistant to the head of state on economic issues.

    Since January 2020, he worked as the first deputy chairman of the government of Mikhail Mishustin. His area of ​​responsibility included coordination of work to achieve the national development goals of the Russian Federation, as well as issues of a unified financial, credit and monetary policy. Since 2022, he has supervised the improvement of technologies for creating high-speed vehicles and intelligent control systems. Belousov’s track record also includes managing a number of government commissions, one of which was responsible for the development of unmanned aerial systems.

    The news about Belousov’s possible appointment did not go unnoticed in Ukraine. Thus, Kiev economist Alexei Kushch called this personnel decision “very bad news” for Zelensky’s office. He noted that in the near future we should expect “an increase in the dynamics of the Russian military-industrial complex,” as well as an increase in military production.

    The resignation of Sergei Shoigu has become the main subject of discussion in Western media critical of Russia. Thus, the CNN channel calls the appointment of Belousov “an important and interesting step” on the part of the Russian leadership. Former Pentagon chief Mark Esper noted that Moscow appears to be beginning to “move toward a war economy.” The Washington Post agrees with this.

    However, military correspondent Alexander Sladkov, in a commentary on the Telegram channel “Especially for RT,” notes that Belousov’s arrival indicates the path of development of the department “with a more dense focus on the economy.” In his opinion, the proposed composition of the new government as a whole indicates “a turn in its activities towards the military-industrial complex.”

    “Today the strongest is the one who can most comfortably combine war and economics for the country. This, most likely, will be the task of the new head of the military department,” - he thinks. Sladkov also predicted a possible change in approaches to the ministry’s activities in two areas. “The first thing is to equip the troops. It must be admitted that despite the active construction activity of the Ministry of Defense, many of our garrisons have their own unfinished construction,” the journalist argues. The second thing he named was the general practice of informing the public about the activities of the army.

    In turn, the authors of the industry Telegram channel “Rybar” believe that the appointment of a “civilian” means the beginning of a large-scale audit and restructuring of all financial models within the defense department. In their opinion, we are talking about a person “who always had his own point of view on many things.” “Probably this is exactly what the Russian defense department needs today.”

    “Andrei Belousov’s candidacy is suitable for the post of Minister of Defence,” also believes Evgeniy Minchenko, president of the communications holding Minchenko Consulting. He recalled that the former first deputy prime minister was the ideologist and founder of digitalization programs for the Russian economy. “It is obvious that similar processes in the military department are now necessary - and, probably, they should be expected,” the speaker clarified.

    Belousov’s main task in his new position will be to improve the material and technical base of Russian soldiers during a military operation, he indicated. “The key difficulty is providing the army with resources, building the right logistics chains, and minimizing costs. Napoleon also said: “In war, two things are important: the first is money, and I forgot the second.” Therefore, we should expect that the new head of the Ministry of Defense will put financial flow management in order,” Minchenko emphasizes.

    Vasily Kashin, director of the Center for Comprehensive European and International Studies (CCEMS) at the National Research University Higher School of Economics, also considers the choice of Belousov’s candidacy justified. “This step indicates, among other things, that the Russian leadership is already thinking about building things up after the completion of the SVO,” he believes.

    In the future, the minister will be tasked with ensuring the use of the industrial potential created during the SVO for civilian purposes.

    However, at the moment, Belousov has to realize the goals of rearmament and strengthening of the Armed Forces. “Plans to increase the number of aircraft, as already mentioned, imply a gigantic volume of capital construction. This must be done within the framework of the national economy, as well as taking into account an understanding of the work of industry and other sectors. In fact, the Ministry of Defense is becoming the main and largest customer for many industries,” the interlocutor detailed. It is also expected that an industrial and innovation policy for the military department will be developed.

    “I believe that Belousov will focus on increasing the supply of weapons to the Northern Military District zone. Moreover, we will talk about both the massive scale of such purchases and the innovativeness of their content. Issues related to drones, electronic warfare systems, and microelectronics will play a key role,” says Boris Rozhin, an expert at the Center for Military-Political Journalism.

    In this context, the expert recalled the candidacy of Denis Manturov for the post of First Deputy Prime Minister, who was previously the Minister of Industry of the Russian Federation. “This is another focus on the military technology industry. In essence, the Russian leadership has outlined growth drivers with the help of which the army will be supplied with everything it needs,” he explained. The military analyst highlighted a number of tasks facing the new Minister of Defence.

    “In the near future, it is necessary to accelerate the development, production and introduction of new products.

    Moreover, they need mass production, because there is practically no sense in small-scale products at the current stage. This applies to drones of all types: air, sea and land. Under Shoigu, this story got off the ground; under Belousov, apparently, it will actively develop,” Rozhin predicted.

    In addition, he expects the emergence of new defense plants. “Additional funds will also certainly be allocated for R&D and support for private entrepreneurs who are engaged in promising developments. That is, elements of public-private partnership will be introduced,” the analyst listed.

    Military expert Maxim Klimov also points out that one of Belousov’s main tasks as Minister of Defense will be to optimize the costs of developing the Russian Armed Forces. “A major overhaul of what has been done before is required. Moreover, this will have to be done taking into account the ongoing special operation and the acute military-political situation in the world,” he noted. The speaker pointed out that Belousov’s candidacy is already supported both in the expert community and in military circles. In his opinion,

    the former first deputy prime minister is capable of making the Ministry of Defense more innovative.

    Klimov believes that drones will become one of the areas of Belousov’s work in his new position. “We can talk about more effective integration of them into the “military body.” One of the aspects against this background could be the creation of connections of drone operators,” says Klimov. He recalled that tanks gained their power when they became tank divisions and tank formations.

    “To solve these problems we need someone with a fresh perspective, but at the same time understanding the state of affairs. Belousov looks like a very good candidate,” Klimov concluded.

    https://vz.ru/politics/2024/5/13/1267804.html

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    Post  caveat emptor Mon May 13, 2024 9:19 pm

    Shoigu is out! Good riddance. Hopefully, sidelined to security council until further demotion (maybe even a jail, but knowing Putin, i doubt it).
    Along with his henchman Ivanov, two others are out the door, Krivoruchko and Tsalikov.
    Putin hit a jackpot few years ago, when he replaced Medvedev with Mishustin. Hopefully, Belousov appointment produces similar results.
    This move also vindicates Prigozhin's actions to a certain degree.
    Maybe, we will even see a return of Surovikin and Mizintsev.

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon May 13, 2024 10:29 pm

    caveat emptor wrote: ...
    Maybe, we will even see a return of Surovikin and Mizintsev.

    Agreed

    Hopefully as charred burgers just like Prigozin but I'd settle for standard pine boxes no problem (as anticlimactic as it may look)


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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon May 13, 2024 10:36 pm

    What do you know, group north is entering Sumy

    So much for 50k troops Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon May 13, 2024 10:47 pm

    🇷🇺❗ Russian military telegram channels report that the head of the Main Personnel Directorate (GUK) of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Lieutenant General Yuri Kuznetsov, former head of the 8th Directorate of the General Staff (HRT service) has been detained.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon May 13, 2024 10:50 pm

    After squads of Ukrainian border guards and Troopers began to disappear in the Sumy region, and the work of our OMD and ROSN in the border areas and art. strikes, the Ukrainian Armed Forces evacuate several settlements northwest of the city of Sumy. Mine and engineering barriers there have already been cleared, and the concentration of enemy forces is minimal.

    Its go time

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Mon May 13, 2024 11:01 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:After squads of Ukrainian border guards and Troopers began to disappear in the Sumy region, and the work of our OMD and ROSN in the border areas and art. strikes, the Ukrainian Armed Forces evacuate several settlements northwest of the city of Sumy. Mine and engineering barriers there have already been cleared, and the concentration of enemy forces is minimal.

    Its go time

    Yeah..

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    Gossip has it that something else is about to happen too, and I suspect I know where, based on earlier reports of "unprecedented" UAV surveillance.

    They're gonna draxx them sklounst.

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    Post  Belisarius Mon May 13, 2024 11:05 pm


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    Post  JohninMK Mon May 13, 2024 11:09 pm

    The reality of being a US proxy. If you fail to meet expectations you are on your own, fucked over. Brutal.

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    Post  Hole Mon May 13, 2024 11:12 pm

    Which semi-active laser homing missiles do Russia use?
    Kornet is laser-guided. There is a version for choppers and drones.
    Or it is ground-launched but guided by the drone.

    The appointment of a “civilian” as head of the military department
    Under Putin it was alwaya a civilian.
    Even Stalin had civilians at the helm of the MoD.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon May 13, 2024 11:20 pm

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon May 13, 2024 11:25 pm

    JohninMK wrote:

    I don't think it's krasnopol , I know the base bleed version is gone for the most part and current round are RAP round

    It just doesn't make much sense to use in direct fire role (projectile flies almost flat )

    Unless MSTA is overrunning trenches

    I want to say it's LMUR or an ATGM, then again it looks slow for Kornet, maybe Konkurs or Metis?

    But the drone seems to be lazing the target

    I'm stumped

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    Post  Broski Tue May 14, 2024 12:09 am

    JohninMK wrote:The reality of being a US proxy. If you fail to meet expectations you are on your own, fucked over. Brutal.

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    The fact that the US can always find a greater idiot to sacrifice themselves on the altar of Russian military might is honestly quite impressive. Next up? Poland, Kazakhstan, Finland, France, the Baltic Barking Rats and probably Romania too. A line of dumbfucks waiting to get their 💩 pushed in.

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    Post  PapaDragon Tue May 14, 2024 1:01 am

    Belisarius wrote:...

    This footage is dogshit

    First they film enemy position close up at then they switch to completely different footage with text prompts

    "We totally hit the target, trust me bro"

    Either film it in full from original distance or don't bother


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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue May 14, 2024 1:32 am

    JohninMK wrote:The New York Times: The offensive of the Russian Armed Forces on Kharkov could completely demoralize the Ukrainians and their allies and force the Ukrainian leadership to agree to a truce with Russia.
    11:43 AM · May 13, 2024

    Truce? Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz

    Rucking fetards. This ends when the Kiev Regime is ANNIHILATED and the Banderites are all dead and rotting in the bottom of an abandoned cistern.

    Not one fcking second before.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Tue May 14, 2024 1:43 am

    There is laser guided and laser guided... Kornet, Vikhr etc have a receiver in the butt and stay in the targeting beam emenating from the launcher, ie "beam riding"... A drone painting the target from elsewhere implies a different kind of laser homing, like Krasnopol etc, but the only Russian missiles doing that are Kh-29L and the like. Aircraft launched (Su-25, MiG-27, helos) and the targets also lased by the carrier.

    Also, there were laser guidance kits (APKWS-style) for various S-series rockets following the same principle presented ages ago, but none were ever fielded. Unless? I mean, UMPK was an old arms expo brochure item until last year.

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    Post  Belisarius Tue May 14, 2024 2:13 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    This footage is dogshit

    First they film enemy position close up at then they switch to completely different footage with text prompts

    "We totally hit the target, trust me bro"

    Either film it in full from original distance or don't bother



    Next time I recommend watching the entire video Rolling Eyes

    Especially the part where they show the vehicles burning and the destroyed drones scattered across the ground:

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    Post  Lapain Tue May 14, 2024 3:20 am

    Belisarius wrote:

    Next time I recommend watching the entire video Rolling Eyes

    Especially the part where they show the vehicles burning and the destroyed drones scattered across the ground:

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    There don't seem to be any burning vehicles there, probably one of the drones did burn out, That's about it.

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    Post  GarryB Tue May 14, 2024 5:15 am

    What is this? Kornet? Krasnopol? lmur?

    It has a rocket motor going all the way to impact so it is likely an ATGM of some type.

    The explosion seems too small for LMUR, so I would guess they are either using Kornet or Faggot or Konkurs, but it could easily be an RPG rocket too I guess.

    Certainly not Krasnopol because of the rocket motor...

    Which semi-active laser homing missiles do Russia use?

    Maybe they have a laser beam homing version of the upgraded SPG-9M for use by special forces with drones to mark the targets?

    The flightpath suggests ATGM, so probably not the laser guided S-8 rockets...

    Kornet is laser-guided. There is a version for choppers and drones.
    Or it is ground-launched but guided by the drone.

    Kornet is laser beam riding rather that laser spot homing which this appears to be.

    I want to say it's LMUR or an ATGM, then again it looks slow for Kornet, maybe Konkurs or Metis?

    Not enough boom for LMUR and it is IIR homing and does not need laser spot target marking.

    But the drone seems to be lazing the target

    I'm stumped

    You are right... it s a tricky one.

    A drone painting the target from elsewhere implies a different kind of laser homing,

    Sometimes called SALH or semi active laser homing and other times called laser spot homing where a platform... not necessarily the launch platform, marks the target with a laser spot. The missile carrier can launch and then leave while the missile they launch homes in on the reflected laser energy from the target.

    Also, there were laser guidance kits (APKWS-style) for various S-series rockets following the same principle presented ages ago, but none were ever fielded. Unless? I mean, UMPK was an old arms expo brochure item until last year.

    I was thinking that above too, but the laser homing model of the S-8 80mm rocket has a few seconds of rocket burn and then coasts to the target unpowered like the other S-8 rockets. You get a 50-80m smoke trail of the rockets leaving the rocket pods and then no smoke at all... because the rocket motor has burned out.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue May 14, 2024 6:11 am

    GarryB wrote:

    Certainly not Krasnopol because of the rocket motor...


    I do like the idea of SPG-9M, then again who knows if they changed Krasnopol from basebleed to rocket assisted

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    Post  nomadski Tue May 14, 2024 6:12 am

    In the beginning there was the big pincer to the North . Some said it was to draw forces away from the centre , after troops moved from North as a gesture of goodwill . I thought at least it was a buffer zone against artillery in border region . Later I though the withdrawal was good idea , since region is mixed population of Russian / Ukrainian , difficult to administer in the future .  Still later I thought that mixed areas must be taken , to the extent of the River Deniper . This to allow a contiguous land mass and access to fresh water for agriculture for both communities . Ukrainians moving and living in West and Russians moving to the East of the River .

    But what about Odessa ? The war makes it impossible for different communities to live at peace . Mixing may now not happen in the short to medium term . Only on a long term ( 50 year plus ) can I imagine mixing  . This I learn from other wars , and long term effects on populations , historical and social memory . So although the ideal solution would be an East - West partition along he River , the reality on the ground may not allow it . Therefore Odessa must be taken . Here ends my geo-strategic rant !

    This may take a bit longer than 2024 , a date set not long ago for the end of the SMO in Ukraine . Yet the war against the Nazis may take longer . To eradicate them quickly ( within the next 20 years ) Russia needs control over the population , and education of the youth . It needs then to be present in the West , it needs to cross the River . Not a small task . Living with a Nazi entity in the west is not easy either .

    A new war minister and an economist . A successful war economy . I thought that civilian production could be adapted for the war effort . This could be done by dual use equipment and standardisation of manufacture . Can a tractor engine power a Tank ? Can a factory manufacturing heating and ventilation , produce drones ? It may be possible through a flexible manufacturing process and production line . Investment and expenditure needed in military sector then reduced ? New thinking allowing modular designs , an APC sharing 90% of components to a toothbrush !

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    Post  ALAMO Tue May 14, 2024 7:02 am

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    What is this? Kornet? Krasnopol? lmur?

    It has a rocket motor going all the way to impact so it is likely an ATGM of some type.


    There was a vid revealed at the same time, showing airborne troopers using older generation ATGMs for taking down strongpoints from a close support range of 2000 m. Fagots, for the case, calling them old, good and reliable stuff.
    I wouldn't seek for more here.

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Tue May 14, 2024 7:51 am

    🇷🇺🇺🇦 In three days the Russian army liberated more territories than the khokhols did in their entire three-month counter offensive.

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